Netanyahu: World has no "moral right" to stop Israel from attacking Iran

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Comments from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are ratcheting up diplomatic tension between Israel and the United States.

During a joint press conference in Jerusalem with Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, Netanyahu expressed his frustration with how world powers are handling Iran and its nuclear program.

"The world tells Israel 'wait, there's still time'. And I say, 'Wait for what? Wait until when?' Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don't have a moral right to place a red light before Israel," Netanyahu said.

He added: "Now if Iran knows that there is no red line. If Iran knows that there is no deadline, what will it do? Exactly what it's doing. It's continuing, without any interference, towards obtaining nuclear weapons capability and from there, nuclear bombs."

From Tel Aviv, Lourdes Garcia-Navarro tells our Newscast desk this is the latest in "an increasingly strident and public war of words with the United States."

Iran has maintained that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, but Israel and others say Iran is chasing nuclear weapons capabilities.

As The Washington Post notes, despite the fact that Netanyahu did not name the United States, he was reacting to an interview given by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over the weekend. Clinton said that the U.S. is "not setting deadlines" and that diplomacy is the best way forward when it comes to Iran.

This also comes on the heels of a report from the AP that says the International Atomic Energy Agency has found that over the past month, "Iran has moved further toward the ability to build a nuclear weapon."

The New York Times reports that Netanyahu criticized the U.S. approach to Iran, specifically the long list of sanctions meant to encourage Iran to comply with demands from the United Nations.

"The fact is that every day that passes, Iran gets closer and closer to nuclear bombs," Netanyahu said according to the Times.

The Times also notes that it is unclear what "red lines" mean for Israel. It reports:


"In general, for Israel, the red line would be Iran achieving the capability to produce nuclear weapons in a location invulnerable to Israeli attack. But Israeli officials have long said that the Israeli and American "clocks" tick at a different pace on Iran. The United States, for example, could wait longer to launch an attack and could have a deeper reach because of its superior military capabilities.

"Israeli experts say that for Israel, all the previous red lines have been crossed already and that setting more lines might be meaningless, because international intelligence agencies may not know immediately if Iran has overstepped them."
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Bradley Burston, of Haaretz, has an interesting read on the politics of it all. Netanyahu, he said, is betting that President Obama will lose the elections this coming November and Mitt Romney will embrace a more hawkish stance.

But, Burston writes, Netanyahu made that bet when Obama was "on the ropes." Now that Obama is surging, Burston says he hopes Netanyahu recalibrates and that he does so quickly.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...oral-right-to-stop-israel-from-attacking-iran
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He's a fucking crook. There are plenty of red lines that Iran won't be allowed to cross... Unfortunately, red lines are a thing that don't seem to exist for Israel, the government there and this guy seem to think they can do whatever the fuck they want. And guess what -- they pretty much can and already do.
 
Read some recent analysis over at Wired on this topic:

“Israel does not have the capability to carry out preventive strikes that could do more than delay Iran’s efforts for a year or two.” Despite the increasingly sharp rhetoric coming out of Jerusalem, the idea of Israel launching a unilateral attack is almost as bad as allowing Tehran to continue its nuclear work unchallenged. It would invite wave after wave of Iranian counterattacks — by missile, terrorist, and boat — jeopardizing countries throughout the region. It would wreak havoc with the world’s oil supply. And that’s if Israel even manages to pull the mission off — something Cordesman very much doubts.

The U.S. might be able to delay the nuclear program for up to 10 years. But to do so, it’ll be an enormous undertaking.

Israel might — might — be able to pull off a similar strike, but only just barely. It’ll require using a quarter of the Israel Air Force’s fighters, and all of its tanker planes, leaving no aircraft for all these other secondary targets. The jets will have to hug the Syrian-Turkish border before flying over both Iraq and Iran. And that is not exactly friendly territory. “The number of aircraft required, refueling along the way and getting to the targets without being detected or intercepted would be complex and high risk and would lack any assurances that the overall mission will have a high success rate,” Cordesman writes.​

It's just kicking the can down the road and throwing billions of dollars into another war.
 
I don't think Iran is stupid enough to send nuclear bombs on Israel. At least, not unless they get attacked first. Hopefully Israel is also not stupid enough to do that.
 
Hitler also said he thought it was morally right to do what he did in his view. It didnt mean he was right. One persons morality can be the world's amorality
 
Bisnic said:
I don't think Iran is stupid enough to send nuclear bombs on Israel. At least, not unless they get attacked first. Hopefully Israel is also not stupid enough to do that.
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Israel isn't stupid enough to attack with force that would necessitate or validate a nuclear response(ie:toss the bomb first). Iran is probably also smart enough to know that nukes are off the table unless they get glassed first.

I guess it's just all out war at worst.
 
SolarPowered said:
Israel isn't stupid enough to attack with force that would necessitate or validate a nuclear response(ie:toss the bomb first). Iran probably is probably also smart enough to know that nukes are off the table unless they get glassed first.

I guess it's just all out war at worst.
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Regardless of the fact if Iran is developing Nuclear Weapons or not. If Israel attacks Iran, it will give Iran its defensive excuse to say we are NOW developing Nuclear weapons to deter such attacks in future.
 
Israel is like a kid that's adopted by a rich family but still acts like one of those annoying street thugs.

Weird analogy but hey...
 
planar1280 said:
Hitler also said he thought it was morally right to do what he did in his view. It didnt mean he was right. One persons morality can be the world's amorality
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Speaking of red lines...

We knew the Holocaust was ongoing and did nothing to stop it. If I were a Jew, especially given the rampant anti-semitism in the West, I'd be skeptical that the international community would ever approve action against Iran...not until Tel Aviv is obliterated, anyhow.
 
Seems to me unless you're ready to engage in a full invasion and occupation of the entire country, Israel and the US will have to get used to the fact that Iran will eventually become a nuclear power.
 
nyong said:
Speaking of red lines...

We knew the Holocaust was ongoing and did nothing to stop it. If I were a Jew, especially given the rampant anti-semitism in the West, I'd be skeptical that the international community would ever approve action against Iran...not until Tel Aviv is obliterated, anyhow.
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World was a lot more individualistic then, its all global now, Everything effects everyone.


If Obama is re elected. I don't think he will use any of his forces to help Israel using economic hardship as the excuse even if Pentagon will provide some support. Romney on the other hand will make use of US forces.
 
No one is holding you back. If you want to attack Iran then go for it. It's like in a sitcom when one guy is pissed at another and tells his friend "hold me back" and he struggles as if he is trying to attack the other guy but it's just for show.
 
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He's just misunderstood
 
Is it possible that Iran is actually trying to create a neclear bomb, and Isreal is concerned about this? And due to the history of the region, actually fears for its own safety?

I know...a shocking development.
 
Yeah, pollute Mother Earth with your stupid nuclear bombs, and let the whole world sit back and watch.
 
planar1280 said:
If Obama is re elected. I don't think he will use any of his forces to help Israel using economic hardship as the excuse even if Pentagon will provide some support. Romney on the other hand will make use of US forces.
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Wars are expensive. Of course it makes sense that anyone concerned about things like budgets wouldn't want them.

On the other hand, anyone who wants to "starve the beast" would be happy to engage in a pointless war just for the sake of driving up the deficit.
 
Tex117 said:
Is it possible that Iran is actually trying to create a neclear bomb, and Isreal is concerned about this? And due to the history of the region, actually fears for its own safety?

I know...a shocking development.
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Well Israel shouldn't have one and yet they do. Weird that both of them having nukes would lead to M.A.D and maybe a bit more clear eyed reasoning about attacking each other.
 
That story about a possible suborbital tactical nuke to EMP Iran a few days back sounded amazing, but attacking the Iranian people will not defuse the tension in the Middle east.

I just hope the US and Canada won't get mixed in all of this bullshit.
 
Tex117 said:
Is it possible that Iran is actually trying to create a neclear bomb, and Isreal is concerned about this? And due to the history of the region, actually fears for its own safety?

I know...a shocking development.
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Sure its possible that Iran is actually trying to make a nuclear bomb. But, given that both U.S. Intelligence Agencies and Israeli Military Chief believe its nothing more then politicians being politicians, many are skeptical of what Netanyahu has to say.
 
Kurdel said:
That story about a possible suborbital tactical nuke to EMP Iran a few days back sounded amazing, but attacking the Iranian people will not defuse the tension in the Middle east.

I just hope the US and Canada won't get mixed in all of this bullshit.
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It's pretty crazy when folks call for war with Iran because if you look at the Green Movement in just the last election cycle there, you can see that there is a very large, very vocal group of progressives -- many of them very young -- who want to be more open and more Western. It's only a matter of time before the demographics there shift to a more open and progressive government.

Starting a war would be a terrible tragedy for these people and arguably make matters worse in the long run for all parties, including the US.

I agree with the sentiment that, given how Israel and the West has approached Iran for decades, MAD is the only way for these two parties to give up the rhetoric and move forward.
 
Synth_floyd said:
No one is holding you back. If you want to attack Iran then go for it. It's like in a sitcom when one guy is pissed at another and tells his friend "hold me back" and he struggles as if he is trying to attack the other guy but it's just for show.
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It's obvious to everybody that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. It's also obvious to everybody that military engagement in Iran would be a staggeringly bad move. Our number one Middle Eastern priority is less jihad, not more. Even Israel doesn't want to attack Iran -- that's why Netanyahu keeps trying to get the US to commit to doing it. Diplomat and commercial engagement with Iran is the only long-term solution, which, helpfully, is why we're doing it.
 
Dabanton said:
Well Israel shouldn't have one and yet they do. Weird that both of them having nukes would lead to M.A.D and maybe a bit more clear eyed reasoning about attacking each other.
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The minute Iran gets the nuke, the Arabs (KSA) will want one too, etc. etc. etc.
 
Couldn' the west call their bet and give them 100% assistance towards helping build clear nuclear energy im exchange for 100% transperency? Am I naive in thinking this is a working solution, if we ignore all our big dicks and egos for a minute?

If the proposition is a sucess, we avoid war. Why not rry something actually bold for once, instead of going straight to war?
 
Kurdel said:
Couldn' the west call their bet and give them 100% assistance towards helping build clear nuclear energy im exchange for 100% transperency? Am I naive in thinking this is a working solution, if we ignore all our big dicks and egos for a minute?

If the proposition is a sucess, we avoid war. Why not rry something actually bold for once, instead of going straight to war?
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It's already been proposed and scuttled many times (I believe even 1-2 years ago there was a deal for an exchange of nuclear material with Russia for non-weapons grade material).

It's clear that they are working towards a nuclear arsenal and the reason is more political than anything.
 
Th irony being Israel (and the US) has already given Iran Causus Belli to go to War thanks to their assassination of Iranian scientists, civilians and military.
 
I'd love to see reports that aren't from people who are beating a war drum that explains just how "close" Iran is to a nuke. I'm really, really sick of war.
 
pigeon said:
It's obvious to everybody that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. It's also obvious to everybody that military engagement in Iran would be a staggeringly bad move. Our number one Middle Eastern priority is less jihad, not more. Even Israel doesn't want to attack Iran -- that's why Netanyahu keeps trying to get the US to commit to doing it. Diplomat and commercial engagement with Iran is the only long-term solution, which, helpfully, is why we're doing it.
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Hopefully, you are right. Hopefully, it works.
 
Israel can attack all they want. They want to act big and tough? Good on them. Its within their right, I guess. But the world doesn't need to back them. I hope the US stays out of that shit. Let them nuke the fuck out of each other if it comes to that.
 
Bisnic said:
I don't think Iran is stupid enough to send nuclear bombs on Israel. At least, not unless they get attacked first. Hopefully Israel is also not stupid enough to do that.
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Iran attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon is not the primary concern here.

Real concerns are

1. Iran becoming a regional power, which is their ultimate goal. It will greatly impact the region and the Shia vs Sunni conflict (Iran Vs Saudi Arabia)
2. Securing the current regime. What can you really do when the regime at power holds nuclear weapons?
3. State-sponsored terrorism, now with a nuclear power behind it.
4. Nuclear arms race (Saudi, Egypt, Turkey)

Dislike Israel all you want, but Iran with nuclear weapons is not a good thing in any scenario.
Do you really think this is only Israel's problem?
 
I agree with him for what it's worth, but I also think we have no moral right to stop Iran from retaliating on their asses and I hate how half of my country thinks we need to be the big brother Israel can run and hide behind when they piss someone off.
 
What I find amazing is that with all this narrative, with the tens of thousands of words written about the Iranian nuclear pursuit, it is rarely - if ever - mentioned that Israel has its own nuclear arsenal. This lack of admission invariably gives the reader the impression that Israel's opposition to Iran in this case is one of simply preventing an escalation, or victimisation of the said state.
 
Here is short description why Iran don't like USA, Israel and UK:

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[4][5] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[6]

You reap what you saw. They want to be completely independent without USA or anyone melding in their country.

Hey i heard already a story something like in that way.
Pakistan, since they got their nukes there is absolute silence about them.

Also Iran isn't Iraq or Afaganistan. It's 70 mln people country bigger than UK. Even if they have older equipment they already have missles which can easly reach israel.

Also USA didn't win any single war after WW2. Most of wars were small scale conflicts with lesser powers and when real shit hit the fan USA failed. Vietnam, Afganistan.

You can't win a war if you have no support in people living in that attacked country.
 
Trouble said:
Saudi Arabia: We fucking dare you to fly your jets into our airspace.
Israel: We were just saber rattling anyways.
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More like:

Israel: We're flying over your airspace to bomb Iran.
Saudi Arabia: Thank you. Would you like us to bake some cookies for you?
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
What I find amazing is that with all this narrative, with the tens of thousands of words written about the Iranian nuclear pursuit, it is rarely - if ever - mentioned that Israel has its own nuclear arsenal. This lack of admission invariably gives the reader the impression that Israel's opposition to Iran in this case is one of simply preventing an escalation, or victimisation of the said state.
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Albeit an uneducated reader. The Isreali nukes didn't really prove to be a security risk for the region (in those close 50 years they own nukes). Israel fought conventional wars (while even taking heavy, surprising losses) without using or threatening to use nukes.
Nothing of the above can be said (or predicted) about Iran as well that the balance of - if you will - higher power will remain the same when Iran obtains nukes.

Trouble said:
Saudi Arabia: We fucking dare you to fly your jets into our airspace.
Israel: We were just saber rattling anyways.
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KSA supposedly approved of that a long time ago (according to wikileak cables & common sense).
/beaten
 
The Iranian government is using Israel to distract its people from its failing, and the Israeli government is using Iran to distract its people from its failing.
Synergy!
 
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