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[Poppinfresh]

They used to be one of the leading civilizations in the world, but ever since they adopted Islam, they have been going backwards.

I might be inclined to say that about every civilization that has adopted Islam

 

[popeutlal]

I might be inclined to say that about every civilization that has adopted Islam

Its because Islam is the only religion that follows what's in their religious texts.

 

[Stitch]

21 Trump Street

 

[Panajev2001a]

Its because Islam is the only religion that follows what's in their religious texts.

Now… there was a point where Catholics especially were even more fundamentalists than the some prevailing Islamic "countries" of the time. This includes the situation for Jews in Spain for a while. It took a couple thousand years, civil wars, society wide shaking events, religious schisms, religious wars, etc… to develop humanism and illuminism and get the shackles of temporal rule of the church out of things. Still, if you look at the separation of Church and State in some EU countries vs the U.S. you will see a stark difference, unless only having the Pope Sunday homily on one of the state owned TV channels' news (no other religious leader) separation of Church and State.

 

[LordCBH]

 

[Tajaz2426]

A few weapons here and there, if the people mob together and suffocate, then squeeze the epicenters of the military and security forces, and then fracture them in individual cities, they may push them out. Giving access to armories, etc.

Looks to be coming to a point of no return and the people will have to make a choice. A lot of people will lose their lives in this and worse if they fail at a change. I hope they have the strength to unite and push them out.

 

[Critical Hit]

The Soviet Union's strategy.

 

[jason10mm]

Just imagine how awesome it would be if "Trump" in arabic or farsi or whatever just happened to resemble some prophetic word or expression. Be like "muad'dib".

If this all was a simulation it would be for sure

 

[jason10mm]

More than anything those photos showed me how much of these countries success depends on who's in charge. It's unbelievable, almost, to me in the sense because the architecture and sophistication on display could plop right into many modern western countries and switch some symbols around and you'd never know.

It tells you just how fleeting modern civilization really is. EVERYTHING around us is built on a MASSIVE house of cards, pull any few out and the whole thing collapses. The US has been acting like duct tape on these cards for the past few decades, but we are seeing more and more of that support tape being stripped away. Radical change (rarely peaceful or good for the current population) is only a few days away for most places and must constantly be held at bay by stable institutions and vigilant men.

 

[winjer]

For years, people though he was playing 4D chess, while in reality, he was playing Tick Tack Toe.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Forsete]

Putler missed out on Maduro for his little Pokémon collection. I hope he manages to snag this Pokémon.

 

[simpatico]

I might be inclined to say that about every civilization that has adopted Islam

How do you measure that success? Is volume not a good enough metric? Hasn't Islam (to my dismay) proven itself a better steward then whatever consumerist-hedonic religion Western Europe converted to at the dawn on the century? It's my gut instinct to give ourselves a participation trophy and start working on my list of "well actually"s too, but that doesn't serve our cause. I don't follow Islam and have no intentions on starting, but damned if I don't admire the moment they're having. It's critical that we're honest with ourselves. Zoom out and look at the trend. Line going up or down?

 

[LordCBH]

For years, people though he was playing 4D chess, while in reality, he was playing Tick Tack Toe.

I thought he was playing chutes and ladders lol.

 

[DeepEnigma]

In a grave somewhere,

 

[Madonis]

It's a case of overreaching.

The man thought he could do everything at once and....nope, you actually can't. If he hadn't invaded Ukraine, Russia would be in a better position to act elsewhere and support her "allies".

 

[EviLore]

Warning, graphic. Major escalation.

 

[jason10mm]

Warning, graphic. Major escalation.

Whew, filming it to stream is nuts.

 

[LordCBH]

Imagine the memes if our delta force boys do it again like in Venezuela.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Whew, filming it to stream is nuts.

They want to make it known.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Now… there was a point where Catholics especially were even more fundamentalists than the some prevailing Islamic "countries" of the time. This includes the situation for Jews in Spain for a while. It took a couple thousand years, civil wars, society wide shaking events, religious schisms, religious wars, etc… to develop humanism and illuminism and get the shackles of temporal rule of the church out of things. Still, if you look at the separation of Church and State in some EU countries vs the U.S. you will see a stark difference, unless only having the Pope Sunday homily on one of the state owned TV channels' news (no other religious leader) separation of Church and State.

Yeah, but what happened in return? the new leftist powers open up all borders in the name of humanitarism and now islam is starting to dominate in europe.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Warning, graphic. Major escalation.

Bet this turns out to be some militant group, at least someone who has shot that style gun a lot

 

[EviLore]

Bet this turns out to be some militant group, at least someone who has shot that style gun a lot

It is reportedly a militant group, yes.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Whew, filming it to stream is nuts.

There are hundreds of isis videos where they drive around like this, gunning down families in their cars, kids and everything. It seems to be a cultural thing, they kill people like this all the time in the middle-east.

 

[Lambogenie]

I wish the people of Iran well, and I hope they can overthrow the current regime and implement a Western style of government.

That said, I do not want the US getting involved in any capacity or under any circumstances.

Agree except do their own. Western does not mean better. At all. Plenty of our own issues that we sweep under the rug, thanks.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yeah, but what happened in return? the new leftist powers open up all borders in the name of humanitarism and now islam is starting to dominate in europe.

I am not sure I follow, do you think the secularisation of Europe / Illuminism is behind an Islamisation of Europe? Wait… what? Are you taking a new hardcore Christian as the only answer viewpoint? So going backwards to… become like aggressors?

 

[jason10mm]

I am not sure I follow, do you think the secularisation of Europe / Illuminism is behind an Islamisation of Europe? Wait… what? Are you taking a new hardcore Christian as the only answer viewpoint? So going backwards to… become like aggressors?

I certainly think secularism is GREATLY assisting the immigration flood. It is multifactoral but for starters, catholics were high breeders, so the declining birth rates opened the doors for immigration in the first place. I'd argue most deep faith Christian types are also more into "trad gender roles" where the wife stays home more, popping out kids. Not 100% overlap of course but enough to boost that birth rate over 2.0. Then you have more of an acceptance issue where islam and chrisitianity are VERY opposed, so things like playing the call to prayer, wearing religious garb, or mosques would be countered by overt Christian religious displays. The "we are just practicing our faith" argument to excuse all the culturally based improprieties (multiple wives, underage sex, etc) would also probably be less effective in a more faith based society.

I hear reports that the youth of today are much more likely to be church goers, so maybe its rolling back. Whether or not islam can maintain the more extreme views in direct occupation of areas of western excess remains to be seen as well, though certainly it seems more resistant through generations so far.

 

[Bojji]

I am not sure I follow, do you think the secularisation of Europe / Illuminism is behind an Islamisation of Europe? Wait… what? Are you taking a new hardcore Christian as the only answer viewpoint? So going backwards to… become like aggressors?

Secularization creates vacuum, humans are wired to believe in a higher power.

If western Europe was Christian (not hardcore, just "normal") - it wouldn't allow any large numbers of Muslims.

I'm agnostic myself (raised as Catholic - later, atheist) by the way, I dislike all organized religions but Christianity is FAR BETTER than Islam.

 

[Critical Hit]

Bet this turns out to be some militant group, at least someone who has shot that style gun a lot

Israel has a fairly extensive list, and it is quite likely that the list will expand in the near future.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I certainly think secularism is GREATLY assisting the immigration flood. It is multifactoral but for starters, catholics were high breeders, so the declining birth rates opened the doors for immigration in the first place. I'd argue most deep faith Christian types are also more into "trad gender roles" where the wife stays home more, popping out kids. Not 100% overlap of course but enough to boost that birth rate over 2.0. Then you have more of an acceptance issue where islam and chrisitianity are VERY opposed, so things like playing the call to prayer, wearing religious garb, or mosques would be countered by overt Christian religious displays. The "we are just practicing our faith" argument to excuse all the culturally based improprieties (multiple wives, underage sex, etc) would also probably be less effective in a more faith based society.

I hear reports that the youth of today are much more likely to be church goers, so maybe its rolling back. Whether or not islam can maintain the more extreme views in direct occupation of areas of western excess remains to be seen as well, though certainly it seems more resistant through generations so far.

Thing is that I am not talking about woke left secularists, I was talking about Humanism and Illuminism that took Europe out of a Catholic Church (btw, you are probably making assumptions about my faith here ) oppression that at that time was as brutal as what you are highlighting here in the "other" side.

If we are not defending that, separation of church and state, Humanism and Illuminism and how they shaped the free world, what the heck are we protecting?

Otherwise it is just fundamentalist Christians trying to get to power as before, in that instance it would not take long to revert to the old way. Absolute power corrupts absolutely…

 

[Varteras]

For years, people though he was playing 4D chess, while in reality, he was playing Tick Tack Toe.

Against himself. And he still lost.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Christianity is FAR BETTER than Islam.

It became more tolerant and more docile once it was not mixed with power anymore or at least not nearly as before. Darn it, some languages like Italian even created something I am not even sure how you translate it in English (Bestemmie) in very very colorful ways so heavy was the political / temporal arm of the Catholic Church.

Europe forgetting the lessons of the past, how you have modern Christianity and those moderate values, is a Europe that could go back to the early kind of extremist Christians you would love about as much as you seem to love the other side extremists too.

All the religions of the book comes with potential for very very very very acute extremism and that results in oppression.

Look at very Christian south of Italy 80-120 years ago and you will find a society closer to what effectively fundamentalist Christians would go back to… hint: veiled women (for the same reason) and women as second class citizen is part of that too …

Becoming the enemy to defeat the enemy… seems… NIH preference at best.

Reneging / Undoing the conquest of Humanism and Illuminism is woke right… where the two woke sides meet I guess…

 

[John Marston]

 

[Baemono]

Secularization creates vacuum, humans are wired to believe in a higher power.

If western Europe was Christian (not hardcore, just "normal") - it wouldn't allow any large numbers of Muslims.

I'm agnostic myself (raised as Catholic - later, atheist) by the way, I dislike all organized religions but Christianity is FAR BETTER than Islam.

There are 600 years difference between christianity and islam, up until the 18th century the whole Europe was controlled by the Vatican. And then people were like "fuck this" pretty much everywhere and the Vatican lost its dominant power throughout the years.

I see people doing stuff that goes against the religion in the name of the said religion, and I hope this will die one day.

 

[Lux77]

That assassination video above is apparently from ISIS from 10 years ago.

 

[Topher]

That assassination video above is apparently from ISIS from 10 years ago.

"This is an old video. I remember seeing this one in the early ISIS days on LiveLeak"

"No, it's fresh for the day.However, I have seen at least 100 similar ones."

 

[nkarafo]

It became more tolerant and more docile once it was not mixed with power anymore or at least not nearly as before. Darn it, some languages like Italian even created something I am not even sure how you translate it in English (Bestemmie) in very very colorful ways so heavy was the political / temporal arm of the Catholic Church.

Europe forgetting the lessons of the past, how you have modern Christianity and those moderate values, is a Europe that could go back to the early kind of extremist Christians you would love about as much as you seem to love the other side extremists too.

All the religions of the book comes with potential for very very very very acute extremism and that results in oppression.

Look at very Christian south of Italy 80-120 years ago and you will find a society closer to what effectively fundamentalist Christians would go back to… hint: veiled women (for the same reason) and women as second class citizen is part of that too …

Becoming the enemy to defeat the enemy… seems… NIH preference at best.

Reneging / Undoing the conquest of Humanism and Illuminism is woke right… where the two woke sides meet I guess…

Correct me if i'm wrong but nobody really forced these women to wear those. And nobody would stone them to death if they didn't. it wasn't a rule or anything. it's more like a tradition thing.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Attempt at bribing the population with a $7 payout.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Iran potentially has to be the lynchpin over an actual World War 3 finally happening, doesn't it? Like this is what separates the men from the boys.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Poppinfresh]

The US absolutely needs to stay out of this.

I know we won't because both Democrats and Republicans love regime changes and nation-building, but we do not need to get involved under any circumstances.

Venezuela, potentially Iran, Cuba, and Colombia, all while continuing to throw money at Ukraine. This is not the America First that I voted for.

 

[HRK69]

"This is an old video. I remember seeing this one in the early ISIS days on LiveLeak"

"No, it's fresh for the day.However, I have seen at least 100 similar ones."

He's not wrong about the style being familiar. I remember seeing plenty of similar videos back when I used to browse Reddit for this kind of stuff

 

[Catphish]

The US absolutely needs to stay out of this.

I know we won't because both Democrats and Republicans love regime changes and nation-building, but we do not need to get involved under any circumstances.

Venezuela, potentially Iran, Cuba, and Colombia, all while continuing to throw money at Ukraine. This is not the America First that I voted for.

There will never be America First, brother.

It's Military Industrial Complex first, then whatever.

 

[Poppinfresh]

There will never be America First, brother.

It's Military Industrial Complex first, then whatever.

Unfortunately, you're right, unless we elect a Congress and Senate full of Thomas Massies and Rand Pauls, which I'd be totally fine with.

 

[popeutlal]

The way things are going, Iranians will be making a "Monitoring the situation in USA" thread soon

 

[jason10mm]

The way things are going, Iranians will be making a "Monitoring the situation in USA" thread soon

I kinda wonder what they were saying during BLM/Antifa or even some of the ICE protests, probably could look pretty similar with (mostly peaceful) riots, property damage, attacks in institutions, that whole Seattle block kingdom, etc.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Unfortunately, you're right, unless we elect a Congress and Senate full of Thomas Massies and Rand Pauls, which I'd be totally fine with.

On one had, sure some of their "libertarian" values a align with, on the other, isolationism will fast-track a collapse in a globalized world where everyone, even allies, are pointing guns at you chomping at the bit.

Getting China/Iran/Russia and any other caliphate or communism participating in global trade masquerade out of our backyards is still "America First" by protecting our borders and interests.

Wait until you see what comes out of the voting software that dates back to Chavez and how it allegedly (more than likely did) impact over 27 nations that used said software/machines. This chess move is far greater than "muh oil."

 

[Poppinfresh]

Wait until you see what comes out of the voting software that dates back to Chavez and how it allegedly (more than likely did) impact over 27 nations that used said software/machines. This chess move is far greater than "muh oil."

I've been reading a bit about that. I'm cautiously optimistic that something is going to come to light.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I kinda wonder what they were saying during BLM/Antifa or even some of the ICE protests, probably could look pretty similar with (mostly peaceful) riots, property damage, attacks in institutions, that whole Seattle block kingdom, etc.

 

[AJUMP23]

Warning, graphic. Major escalation.

Praise the cameraman here. Is he strapping his phone to his head and recording?