in jiu jitsu when you have a bigger opponent on top of you and crushing you, controlling your breathing can be pretty helpful. or just when you are put into a chokehold that isn't quite secure enough to submit you and you can control yourself while you work your way out of it. i think its just another thing that you need to learn to use correctly to keep your game from being to erratic and reckless.
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in jiu jitsu when you have a bigger opponent on top of you and crushing you, controlling your breathing can be pretty helpful. or just when you are put into a chokehold that isn't quite secure enough to submit you and you can control yourself while you work your way out of it. i think its just another thing that you need to learn to use correctly to keep your game from being to erratic and reckless.
Breath control is super important in CMA. I think it's worthy of the emphasis placed on it. I dont know how much y'all buy into the idea of the "kiai" or whatever, but personally I think its inseparable from combat for strikers. How you breathe dictates how you move, and how hard you hit. For you BJJ guys i imagine its super vital simply because grappling for so long slays your oxygen. If you can conserve your breath and marry it with your movements to get the most efficiency out of your efforts, why not do it?
Yeah that is what I am trying to learn. There have been plenty of times when a bigger stronger opponent would just mount me and flatten me out. Because there is so much pressure on my stomach, it makes it hard to breathe that I end up tapping from loss of breathe. As a beginner, its something that I am trying to learn to be better at. My instructor tends to help me with this as well, always asking, "Why you breathing so heavily" when I have the better position...
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punched Wheelchair Mike
Question about cross training...
I'm thinking of taking up another martial art to compliment my Krav Maga. What I'm looking for is something that focuses on joint-locks/manipulation and ground work. I was originally thinking BJJ as there's a Gracie place near by but I'm also thinking of Judo and Japanse Jui Jitsu.
Thoughts?
I'm thinking of taking up another martial art to compliment my Krav Maga. What I'm looking for is something that focuses on joint-locks/manipulation and ground work. I was originally thinking BJJ as there's a Gracie place near by but I'm also thinking of Judo and Japanse Jui Jitsu.
Thoughts?
judo is not about joint locks and ground work, its about stand up throws/trips/takedowns. im not sure where you would find someplace that offers japanese jiu jitsu and to be honest i really have no idea what that even means. bjj at a reputable school is probably your best bet. when you say gracie place, i assume you mean gracie barra.
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Why do people (most notably MMA enthusiasts) say martial arts doesn't matter in a street fight? I saw some stereotypes thrown around here before saying basically martial arts is for closed rule-driven competitions and that what you know isn't applicable in a street fight because of the unpredictability of the opponent, but how is that true? Isn't the point of martial arts to be able to overcome that unpredictability and be able to take down any person in the event of a struggle?
Because today a great deal of martial artists don't train for fights. Actually, I find that MMA enthusiasts will say that MA do matter in a street fight (their implication usually being that MMA is the objective best solution to learn how to fight). There is no doubt that you can learn how to beat some ass by training in a sport based MA. The average combat athlete can easily fuck up an untrained man. You see it all the time with old former boxers knocking out neighborhood thugs and MMA fighters being used as bouncers and such. Unpredictability of the opponent is overrated IMO. Ive been in a handful of fights in my life and the first response of the untrained man is usually pretty binary: a haymaker thrown with a right hand or a tackle into a takedown---> some form of ground and pound. The unpredictable element comes from environment more: someone's buddies trying to get in on a 1 on 1 with cheap shots, impromptu weapons, terrain. However, you can't train for every situation. You can however learn and polish a set of techniques to extreme effectiveness, and then adapt them based upon circumstances and instinct.
Martial arts in application is about conditioning away natural responses and replacing them with technique.
if you have about 30 mins, listen to master lloyd irvin here. he breaks down martial arts, sport bjj, real world shit, etc.
in short, martial arts helps but every art is specific for a certain situation. for example, you may be a decorated bjj guy but if you're a victim of a home invasion and the invaders have guns. your training isn't going to help you so much. same thing goes in a street fight where there might be multiple opponents, weapons, etc.
irvin's words really make sense. i'm assuming most of us don't have the time to add additional training for specific self defense situations, weapons disarming, etc, but after listening to irvin i'm going to at least spend some time visualizing myself in some of those situations and playing out situations in my head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTdnUI9DxM
from my understanding, japanese jui jitsu was created for armored samurais. with all the protection samurais wore, punches and kicks were basically useless when a warrior would lose his sword. so japanese jui jitsu was created to hurt/immobilize an armored samurai in an effective manor using joint locks and submissions.
brazilian jui jitsu added to this and modified it for non-armored combatants.
An old teacher of mine used to say that "self-defense is a mindset". His idea was that technique is one thing, but the greatest component of realtime application is awareness and observation of your surroundings. I agree with that, and its definitely something you can work on. I've been attacked by a guy with a knife once, last year, and all the disarms and shit you learn don't mean much when someone comes at you with one. if you wanna be any good at that sort of thing, you have to train it intensely, with live pacing, or none of it will reach that automatic response level that matters.
from the guys bio, id say thats a very legit school.
This is really about right.
3 months of solid martial arts training (And I mean top notch instruction) will put you in a position to handle the standard drunk college kid at a bar 90% of the time.
Its always so obvious when that haymaker right is coming. You have time to look at your watch before you need to move.
The takedown is also just as easy to spot. The drunken lean forward, that stutter step back so they can spring off.
Handle accordingly.
Its the buddies, the enviroment, the possibility of a wild lucky hit, weapons of some kinds, that throws things into the mix.
Really, for 90% of the issues out there. Knowing how to read the haymaker right, and knowing how to throw good solid punches will carry you a very long way.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
This is the thing I like about BJJ right now, its really easy to check on the legitimacy of your instructor.
My instructor is Mark Daley. It's easy to verify his credentials.
all you need is the bas rutten video, you'll be fine as a bouncer
TrAcEr_x90
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My sensei has showed me breathing exercises during training. Especially in my last fight in between rounds he had me doing super deep breaths and sort of holding it in my belly/stomach and exhale slowly. Sort of relaxes me even more actually. Now that I have been doing grappling, its a whole different world. Very scary feeling sometime when I'm exhausted after rolling with 2 guys and on the third I have to go with a giant fat guy. Super tired, no breather and then i have a guy laying on me and i have a tiny breathing pocket. Suffocation is scary....
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Yeah, I've had a customers come at me before. I usually got either grabbed from the front, or sucker punched from behind.
I think maybe only once did someone ever try to swing at me from the front in "stand up" fashion.
Most of the time, you throw someone out with another doorman, its just safer that way. Also, I was ina college town for most of my boucing career, so college students still had some fear about throwing a punch.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Use a specialty soap for laundry.
I use Defense Super Shield Laundry Detergent , it takes the funk out of both my cotton and neoprene knee pads.
TheFightingFish
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Any specific MA recommendations for an ex-College wrestler to get into? I don't want a big time commitment, but I feel like I'm really missing the competitive aspect and killer workout from a good match. Honestly, I'd most love to coach high school wrestling, but it's pretty hard to work that into any job other than high school teacher. My boss is really into Kung-Fu in a school around here and recommends it to me a bunch, but I really don't care for the spiritual development side of it. I'd prefer to find something that was closer to wrestling in terms of grappling and throwing (maybe I'd enjoy it, but I'm not sure how much I'm up for getting punched in the face in my nights off doing something like MMA), something like Judo maybe?
try out different gyms/studios and see what fits you best. almost all schools offer a free trial class. go on yelp, research schools, and set some appointments for free classes.
Check out judo or bjj.
GungHo
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It does. Especially if you're on bottom and have someone's hands on/near your face and your diaphragm is being compressed.
All things being equal, you're better off trained than untrained. Even if you're trained within a rule-set, you'll have a certain amount of muscle memory and reflexive training that the other person simply won't have.
not to mention a certain confidence you'll carry that will deter most assailants from ever considering making you their victim.
I knew a Thai kid who never trained muay Thai but knew a proper muay Thai stance. when shit went down once, he got into his stance and all of the sudden, the other guys wanted to calm everyone down and talk. it was hilarious.
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GungHo
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Technically, Brazilian Jujutsu is more a development from early Judo. Gracie lineage goes through Mitsuyo Maeda who was a student of Kano Jigoro, who founded Judo, along with the dan ranking system as we know it. Helio and Carlos changed Kano Jujutsu (Judo) to better suit Helio's stature (he was a small man).
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Then the split happened between Helio's progeny and Carlos' progeny.
There were alot of progenies.
If I was you, I would try both BJJ and Judo. You might find that one of the systems is better suited for what you are looking to do. Judo and Jiu Jitsu both have joint locks, but Judo only does arm locks and chokes. Where as Jiu Jitsu does all of the joint locks. Also both have ground work and take downs. Each system does an 80/20 split with Groundwork and Standing, with Judo focusing on standing and Jiu Jitsu focusing on ground.
I have taken both systems and feel that you should start with Judo, then move on Jiu Jitsu. A year in each system will equip you with what you are probably looking for.
If you were into roman grecko, I suggest Judo. Otherwise Jiu Jitsu is probably better suited for you.
Krelian91
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Guys, I need to choose between these five martial arts:
-Judo
-Karate
-Viet Vo Dao
-Kick Boxing
-Jujitsu
I really can't make up my mind. I guess the closest thing to what I want to do is karate, however I still have some doubts.
Also, is Viet Vo Dao as bad as they say? I asked somewhere else how it was and they didn't gave me a very flattering description.
-Judo
-Karate
-Viet Vo Dao
-Kick Boxing
-Jujitsu
I really can't make up my mind. I guess the closest thing to what I want to do is karate, however I still have some doubts.
Also, is Viet Vo Dao as bad as they say? I asked somewhere else how it was and they didn't gave me a very flattering description.
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punched Wheelchair Mike
Thanks for the feedback.
What are you looking for in a martial art? Fitness? Self-defence? Spirituality? A long lived tradition? Stand-up fighting skills? Ground skills? Weapons? You need to ask yourself these questions and more to help narrow down your search.
Krelian91
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My main goal is to become better both physically and mentally. I mainly want to do martial arts for self-improvement.
As for the fighting part... Stand-up fighting skills are what I'm mainly looking for, though I do not disdain other skills. The more a discipline covers, the more I like it.
ChiTownBuffalo
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I just recently joined a aikijujutsu school and I would agree with this comment. My instructor says the techniques still work but were developed for combat against samurai armor. He still teaches in the traditional sense but always tries to show us how it can still be used today which is why I enjoy it (probably more so because of the instructor then the art). We definitely do a lot of joint locks and submissions but from what I have seen, it is a very defensive art.
I say you should try the schools for you probably cant go wrong with either. I think the instructor will make the difference for you in your decision.
you'll find that many BJJ schools now offer solid Muay Thai. which is why i choose my school, their Muay Thai coach came from Sityodtong and teaches class in a traditional Thai way. i would try to find a school that teaches two disciplines.
oh, great bjj class last night but somewhat humbling. the night before, everything worked and i predominantly got the better of those i rolled with. this last night, those same moves, sweeps, etc, just weren't working. i remembered that the previous night i primarily rolled against smaller opponents, i'm guessing 130-160 pounds. this last night it was against guys my weight, 190, or larger, up to 260. damn, my strength advantage was gone and my poor newbie technique failed me. well, maybe not so much the technique, it was just not knowing the proper timing to execute the moves when previously i just muscled through them. not to mention my lungs were constricted a lot more trying to hold up larger partners. fun stuff, can't wait to work on my timing next class.
GungHo
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Instructors usually don't have issues with someone watching a class.
Go look and see what appeals to you. Watch how the instructor does (or doesn't) interact with the students. Watch how the students interact with him. Honestly, I think a good instructor matters as much, if not more, than whether or not you are that interested in the "potential" of the art itself, as does the attitude of your fellow students. =Don't be disruptive during the class or anything, but talk to folks afterwords and ask how they like the class.
If the instructor says you can't watch, I'd ask him why... if it's because he's having a focused class and doesn't want distraction, that's one thing... ask when a good time would be for you to observe. If he tries to say his shit is proprietary or something... walk out.
Vigilant Walrus
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Maybe I am just learning slow?
I am just now beginning to get the hang of armbars. I had a good triangle to armbar submission today. I don't get submissions often, but I think I am good at escaping. Side control escapes are the hardest, followed by back escapes.
It's hard to gauge my own skill level. I don't know where I stand. If it's worth anything I tend to get compliments for smaller guys who tell me that I roll very light and without spazzing and powering through.
I never took more than 1,5 month off but I broke my arm after I entered my first tourney. I came up against another white belt who had been training two years as well and was purposely held back to do good in tournaments. He had 3-5 years of prior wrestling experience so when he put me in a scarfhold and I didn't tap (I couldnt feel a thing due me being an adrenaline filled newbie) I got a spiral fracture. The strength never returned to my arm. I can't do things like Kimuras anymore as I don't have the strength.
Mister Wilhelm
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Thanks for making this thread.
Trained MMA for a few years now, broke a rib, looking to get back into things soon.
I have a youtube channel full of fights from my gym if you guys want to check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MisterWilhem
This is a good highlight I made of one of our best shows.
Trained MMA for a few years now, broke a rib, looking to get back into things soon.
I have a youtube channel full of fights from my gym if you guys want to check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MisterWilhem
This is a good highlight I made of one of our best shows.
Vigilant Walrus
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Well, now almost two years later the arm is still bad. I think the psychological damage and nerve damage from putting in the metal plate have affected it for life. I can't do stuff like kimuras anymore. But like they say; you gotta use what you got.
I love Jiu-Jitsu. It's something that is bigger than myself. It sounds so stupid, but during these rolls I enter an autotelic state. I just lose a sense of time and against certain opponents were I am allowed flow, I think of nothing. I am completely absorbed and my body is doing the work while the mind is off. It's a great feeling, and I use this as a guide to find other activites like it, to guide me in what to do with my life outside of BJJ.
Metroid Killer
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Bought 6 of these last week
So 12 km2 of tatami surface for my other living room. We are going to pick them up on Thursday. Currently the girlfriend and I are cleaning the room, throwing countless items out and basically rearranging so much shit to make sure the room becomes as minimalistic as possible (we don't want too much noise if the plan is to turn it into a home dojo).
Small steps at a time, but I can't wait to get this up and working.
Edit: Oh yeah they cost nearly $900 , so my wallet am cry ;_;
So 12 km2 of tatami surface for my other living room. We are going to pick them up on Thursday. Currently the girlfriend and I are cleaning the room, throwing countless items out and basically rearranging so much shit to make sure the room becomes as minimalistic as possible (we don't want too much noise if the plan is to turn it into a home dojo).
Small steps at a time, but I can't wait to get this up and working.
Edit: Oh yeah they cost nearly $900 , so my wallet am cry ;_;
cj_iwakura
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I practice (American) Kenpo, studied it when I was in middle school, and recently got back into it. With one of my original instructors no less; he's an 8th Degree at present.
I recently hit Green.
Long Form 3 is pain.
I recommend Kenpo to any passive persons like myself, or if you simply want a good workout. It's a defensive martial art, not aggressive.
Is this like American Kenpo? I'm assuming not.
I recently hit Green.
Long Form 3 is pain.
I recommend Kenpo to any passive persons like myself, or if you simply want a good workout. It's a defensive martial art, not aggressive.
Is this like American Kenpo? I'm assuming not.
Jealous. I wish I had a girl to practice grappling with
not really though, I had to wrestle a girl in high school once and it was terrible, i felt like i had to go out there and basically crush her or my team would shit on me.
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Phew, nothing but falling down a lot in class today. Forward and backwards rolls, soft and hard forward break falls, backwards and sideways break falls. I think I'm starting to get the hang of it. I only hurt on part of my body. That's progress I suppose.
It took me a long time to get rolls and falls to the point I am at now and I still dont feel I got it right...
I still cant do backward falls worth a crap. I think im missing some part of the core concept.
Hey BJJ people, for my hard calisthenics conditioning i saw my teacher add "shrimping" to our floor routines (right next to jackknifing) can you explain what this is? The videos are kinda putting it into an escape/combat context, i kinda need a description/video of the movement itself.
Hey BJJ people, for my hard calisthenics conditioning i saw my teacher add "shrimping" to our floor routines (right next to jackknifing) can you explain what this is? The videos are kinda putting it into an escape/combat context, i kinda need a description/video of the movement itself.
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