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[demidar]

Buy the system and the game, play it and then sell it....

Selling a console is never a smart idea. If you're so strapped for cash don't buy it in the first place.

 

[Clairvoyance]

you clearly need to look up what selective reading means, i acknowledged the salt, and your avatar tells me all i need to know about what your reply stems from.

Lol. You really shouldn't try pulling the "bias/fanboy" card.

 

[Gospel]

This is interesting turn of events.

 

[Brazil]

you clearly need to look up what selective reading means, i acknowledged the salt, and your avatar tells me all i need to know about what your reply stems from.

Oh God.

Well, looks like I'm getting a Wii U.

...Unless of course NoA localizes it!

It was announced for all three regions.

 

[Uno Venova]

Buy the system and the game, play it and then sell it....

Come on.

 

[Charoncaori]

So... now that ya guys get Bayonetta 2 and stuff. Can you stop complaining about DMC?

NEVER

I stopped being heartbroken by DMC as a franchise when Bayonetta came out, though. Now it's just a thing that exists, that I really loved once.

I reserve my right to complain, though. =P

 

[Dascu]

busy trying to avoid bankrupcy on family business

Then you probably have more important things to worry about than the exclusivity of this video game, of which the release is still a year or so away.

 

[StuBurns]

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to buy a console for one game. In fact, it is smart to wait until there are several. But I also think that anyone posting here has been through a couple of generations In their time and has gone through this whole song and dance before. Outside of corporate loyalty, you choose hardware based on interesting software. That's how it has always been. I can't imagine you've never been in a situation like this before. New generations start, and you have to decide which systems to buy.

The puzzling part is people deciding that Bayonetta 2 will always be the only interesting game on the system before it has even launched, and thus getting downright angry about the platform this game is on.

That doesn't seem to reflect the thread really. People aren't mad it's not on Orbis/Durango, they're mad it's not on PS360. Systems they don't need to buy, because they own them.

Surely there are more than just one game you can find to buy for the system?

and the save up for the game/system and then sell it or find someone around you to borrow the system from.

There are ways to go about this.

But if that's too much then move on.

I bought an Xbox to play Star Ocean 4 (dear god what have I done???) and a Vita to basically play Gravity Rush. Wii U isn't going to die the day after Bayo2 comes out. I'm sure there will be enough games to make it worth it.

I buy systems to play games I want to play.

Plus you can get a system for cheap rather quickly nowadays with Amazon (Got my Vita for 100 bucks).

I agree, there certainly are ways around it. But I still don't find the idea 'puzzling'.

I don't mind buying a system for one good game personally, because it's always investing in the system's future too. I will buy a WiiU, I will buy Bayonetta 2, and who knows, maybe it will be the only game I ever find appealing on there (if Nintendo decide to stop making 3D Marios and Zelda, it's actually possible), but it's win some, lose some really. After this generation, the 'promises' made by first parties are worthless, so I think you either just need to dive in and hope for the best, or wait it out completely.

 

[Gaborn]

Some of the reactions to this news really make it hard to not think that, beneath Nintendo criticism, there really is just a practically religious meme that "Nintendo is LOL stupid kiddy and sux", no matter WHAT Nintendo could ever do or say.

There's so much rationalization flying around right now, denying what is happening in front of people's eyes.

Nintendo is doing exactly what they said they'd do, in spite of all the skepticism leveled at them.

They are doing what it takes to make Wii U the 'something for everyone' platform, they are getting the hardest of the hardcore niche titles like Bayonetta locked down, they're getting Monster Hunter. They pull out a fully respectable and intriguing showing of Call of Duty, replete with features that genuinely interest like IR gameplay options and full play on the controller itself.

But as Opiate said, there is no magical aura around a console or even brand that forever defines what it is. People seem to think there are only two kinds of set top game box: LOL KIDDY TOY and HARDCORE COME AT ME BROWARE. It's like it is breaking brains wide open, the notion that this thing is actually trying to do everything, and there is a possibility it might actually succeed.

I think this whole quote is close to brilliant, but I just want to expand on the bolded specifically with my opinion, and I say that not meaning to imply that it includes EVERYONE who reacted negatively to this announcement.

I think that a C. S. Lewis quote I've posted before is very instructive on this point for a lot of the mindset I hear from people who dislike Nintendo:

Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

I think a lot of this applies to at least some of the tenor of criticism of Nintendo. In a way its the "point" of calling Nintendo "kiddy" or saying the GC looked like a "lunch box" or a "fisher price toy" etc. I've always been slightly annoyed by these impressions not because I don't understand the substantive point behind some of it (the desire for complex in-depth stories and difficult gaming experiences can be a compelling reason to like some games more than others) but because so much of it just came across as... this game isn't "cool" for an "adult" to play. Which is, to be perfectly frank, stupid.

Every system has good games and bad games and advantages and disadvantages that might cause you to buy it or not, but too often people care more about the "image" of the system and they forget that gaming is more a means to an end, and so they're going to deny themselves a game they truly wanted... because its not on the particular system they wanted. Would you refuse to buy GTA 5 if it came in a bright pink case with flowers and hearts?

 

[Dusk Golem]

On another note, Platinum is going places. After getting the boot from Capcom, they seem to be on good terms and actively developing and working with SEGA, Nintendo, and Konami.

That's a lot of high-brand name friends. Though deserved as Platinum has continued to assure the quality the name of the studio suggests.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

How is it puzzling? I have 0 interest in a Nintendo console or their franchises, I want Bayonetta 2, I'm not going to buy a console for one game.

There, mystery solved.

Dunno, my 360 would have left my house a long time ago if it wasn't for Bayonetta

Spoiler

and Halo (Damn you Microsoft for keeping that franchise away from the other consoles )

.

IMO the first Bayonetta was good enough to justify owning hardware solely for this one game.

 

[Hot Coldman]

dat mod immunity

More like EatChildren's trolling is so transparent everyone knows better.

 

[Risette]

I want it, but not enough to pay 300 bucks on a Nintendo console. Again, I don't buy a new console for one game only.

It's a Wii U exclusive, and you want it, but you don't want a Wii U? This makes no sense.

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

Oh God.



It was announced for all three regions.

That's good news!

I was half-joking but after Fire Emblem and XenoBlade, I want to be sure from now on!

 

[entremet]

Come on.

Then why complain? Some people act like a game not coming to a preferred platform is like missing out on some big event and universe has to shift for them.

I missed tons of exclusives cause I didn't care or want the system there were on. I didn't throw a fit about it.

 

[NoirVisage]

Mind posting some examples? I haven't seen anything indicating that so far (but this thread moves way too fast for me to keep up anyway).

its subtle, but every post that mentions not wanting to buy a wwiiu, no matter how tame and saltless, gets some snide retort or shock at the revelation. last page has a few.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

yes, the salt it typical, if it wasn't Nintendo, it would be for whatever other console they didn't own, but the Nintendo Zealotry sticsk out more because its exclusive to Nintendo fans. You guys seriously have a problem with people NOT wanting a nintendo console.



read above.

I think the bigger problem is people coming into Nintendo threads just to say how much they don't like anything Nintendo makes.

I personally find all of the Elder Scrolls games to be digital pieces of shit. It's why I never enter any thread mentioning those games.

 

[RobotChant]

If the game sells well enough, it'll probably stay exclusive in some form and Nintendo will fund sequels. If it bombs, no one else going to fund a port or sequels.

 

[Opiate]

w..t..h..



what are you trying to say?

Most likely that this is a self fulfilling prophecy.

The Wii U is a system that is not out yet. So far, there is apparently at least 1 game that Broktasten wants that will be available within "Launch window."

Rather than say something like, "hey, good start," or "I'll keep my eye out then," his response is to be frustrated that the Nintendo system is getting any games he personally wants.

Well, obviously the Nintendo system won't be something you want if you are upset every time an appealing game is announced for it.

 

[Afro Gunsou]

Some of the reactions to this news really make it hard to not think that, beneath Nintendo criticism, there really is just a practically religious meme that "Nintendo is LOL stupid kiddy and sux", no matter WHAT Nintendo could ever do or say.

There's so much rationalization flying around right now, denying what is happening in front of people's eyes.

Nintendo is doing exactly what they said they'd do, in spite of all the skepticism leveled at them.

They are doing what it takes to make Wii U the 'something for everyone' platform, they are getting the hardest of the hardcore niche titles like Bayonetta locked down, they're getting Monster Hunter. They pull out a fully respectable and intriguing showing of Call of Duty, replete with features that genuinely interest like IR gameplay options and full play on the controller itself.

But as Opiate said, there is no magical aura around a console or even brand that forever defines what it is. People seem to think there are only two kinds of set top game box: LOL KIDDY TOY and HARDCORE COME AT ME BROWARE. It's like it is breaking brains wide open, the notion that this thing is actually trying to do everything, and there is a possibility it might actually succeed.

This is, without question, one of the best posts I have ever read in my two and a half years reading GAF. Incredible. Hit the nail right on the fucking head.

 

[zlatko]

I'm glad we are getting a Bayonetta 2, but like others I'm not buying a Wii U JUST for one game. The only times I have bought a console for just 1 game is for Metal Gear since that's my favorite franchise.

When there is 2-4 other games I can't play anywhere else on Wii U as well, then I'll jump ship to try it out.

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

Like I said, WiiU only appeals to people who like Nintendo games... and that's pretty much it.

As of today I can safely say:
No. No way, mister.

Have you even SEEN what's been announced today?
A shitload of 3rd party titles that have written "hardcore games" all over it.

Have you even SEEN what Nintendo developed games are coming out in the first 6 months of Wii U's life cycle?
I counted 5 or 6 games, at least one of them (Ninja Gaiden 3) being developed by someone other than Nintendo.
So 6 games published by Nintendo in the first 6 months of a Nintendo console's life cycle.

Nintendo having stated that by the end of March 2013 there'll be ~50 games on Wii U (they probably mean retail only) I'd say that this console is not one who only appeals to people who like Nintendo games, but to people who like games in general, be it your everday fun like NSMBU, casual fun like Nintendo Land, hardcore fun like ZombiU or "hardcore" fun like CoD BlOps 2.

This Nintendo console may well be the first gaming console EVER that seriously appeals to every possible gaming crowd out there, from soccer moms to the CoD crowd.

tl;dr:
You're argument is invalid.

It's a Wii U exclusive, and you want it, but you don't want a Wii U? This makes no sense.

No, it makes sense. I wouldn't buy a console either if there's exactly one game I'd want for it. I mean, would you fork over 400 bucks just to have fun for 12-20 hours? I wouldn't.

Except for Neo Geo related gaming swag.

 

[Aeana]

That doesn't seem to reflect the thread really. People aren't mad it's not on Orbis/Durango, they're mad it's not on PS360. Systems they don't need to buy, because they own them.

So should we expect them to get angry when new games are announced for Sony's or Microsoft's new systems, since they don't own those yet either? We are moving forward into a new generation now. It's that time, so you might want to warm up to the idea of new hardware.

 

[NoirVisage]

Lol. You really shouldn't try pulling the "bias/fanboy" card.

it applied too well.

 

[Bluemercury]

jesus, i wonder if it was Wiiu fans asking for a ps320 port....

 

[RurouniZel]

That doesn't seem to reflect the thread really. People aren't mad it's not on Orbis/Durango, they're mad it's not on PS360. Systems they don't need to buy, because they own them.

So by this logic, they're angry the game exists at all. It would never be on 360 or PS3 because only Nintendo would fund its completion, so because it exists but on Wii U, they're angry. Is that it?

 

[7threst]

I'm wondering if the 2 in the title is going to make marketing more difficult then it could be if they go with Bayonetta: Subtitle

If they done that people would likely go: "oh, it's just a spin-off!!! The REAL Bayonetta 2 is still coming to [insert system other than Nintendo here]", lol

 

[demidar]

That doesn't seem to reflect the thread really. People aren't mad it's not on Orbis/Durango, they're mad it's not on PS360. Systems they don't need to buy, because they own them.

Sony's bleeding money and Microsoft seems content with all the bro shooters they have. TBH I wouldn't have expected Ninty to pick it up, really out of character.

 

[grimshawish]

Some of the reactions to this news really make it hard to not think that, beneath Nintendo criticism, there really is just a practically religious meme that "Nintendo is LOL stupid kiddy and sux", no matter WHAT Nintendo could ever do or say.

There's so much rationalization flying around right now, denying what is happening in front of people's eyes.

Nintendo is doing exactly what they said they'd do, in spite of all the skepticism leveled at them.

They are doing what it takes to make Wii U the 'something for everyone' platform, they are getting the hardest of the hardcore niche titles like Bayonetta locked down, they're getting Monster Hunter. They pull out a fully respectable and intriguing showing of Call of Duty, replete with features that genuinely interest like IR gameplay options and full play on the controller itself.

But as Opiate said, there is no magical aura around a console or even brand that forever defines what it is. People seem to think there are only two kinds of set top game box: LOL KIDDY TOY and HARDCORE COME AT ME BROWARE. It's like it is breaking brains wide open, the notion that this thing is actually trying to do everything, and there is a possibility it might actually succeed.

This is what always happens. Every Nintendo thread has the undercurrent of posters who jump in just to start things. If Nintendo announce things - certain people look for trouble and turn it not into a 'thats disappointing' but a 'lol Nintendo' meme.

I find it depressing that people can't just get on with enjoying games. Its a forum and so discussion is expected, but when the same people basically look to 'ignore' or 'deny' certain things and jump straight to posting their own irrational thoughts, its not 'irritating' - just frustrating.


Am happy that in the more general threads when everything calms down post-announcements most of these types go away. But they still hover around like a bad smell and they in no way want to discuss or get to know a wider group of people on Gaf; just spout drivel for 20 minutes. It is true for other consoles ofc. We see it with the port begging over Xbox Live; and some general moaning in quarters. Nintendo however is far too much the focus of some things.

 

[Kyoufu]

I can't wait for this. Hopefully the Wii U controllers are comfortable enough for action games.

 

[The Technomancer]

So should we expect them to get angry when new games are announced for Sony's or Microsoft's new systems, since they don't own those yet either? We are moving forward into a new generation now. It's that time, so you might want to warm up to the idea of new hardware.

But the WiiU isn't real new hardware.

 

[EloquentM]

dat mod immunity

You should have realised after all this time that console loyalty is quite similar to sports loyalty. There are very few people who follow veritably understandable reasons to stick to one manufacturer.

fuck yes this is what I was expecting (and lol at the people who bit the bait)

it was in posted in jest.

I can't wait for this. Hopefully the Wii U controllers are comfortable enough for action games.

say hello to the pro controller

 

[MYE]

I don't buy consoles to play 1 exclusive game. Not anymore at least.

Like I said, WiiU only appeals to people who like Nintendo games... and that's pretty much it.

Someone nuke this fucking thread from orbit

GAF is better than this

 

[Aeana]

Most likely that this is a self fulfilling prophecy.

The Wii U is a system that is not out yet. So far, there is apparently at least 1 game that Broktasten wants that will be available within "Launch window."

Rather than say something like, "hey, good start," or "I'll keep my eye out then," his response is to be frustrated that the Nintendo system is getting any games he personally wants.

Well, obviously the Nintendo system won't be something you want if you are upset every time an appealing game is announced for it.

Right, this is the sort of thing I'm getting at too.

 

[MormaPope]

It's amazing how people are struggling with this.

YOU JUST DONT WANT IT ENOUGH, POSER! FANBOY! LOGO LOVER!

Honestly, people that post the bolded are more annoying than the overly flamboyant angry ones.

"If you want to play Bayonetta 2 you need to get a Wii-U, Deal With It Hurr."

It's like;

No Fucking shit.

 

[NoirVisage]

Most likely that this is a self fulfilling prophecy.

The Wii U is a system that is not out yet. So far, there is apparently at least 1 game that Broktasten wants that will be available within "Launch window."

Rather than say something like, "hey, good start," or "I'll keep my eye out then," his response is to be frustrated that the Nintendo system is getting any games he personally wants.

Well, obviously the Nintendo system won't be something you want if you are upset every time an appealing game is announced for it.

bravo for getting all that from that picture, i have no idea who that dude is, so i was even more so in the dark

 

[Regulus Tera]

. . . that seems blown out of proportion

Whatever. This is not Edo Jidai anymore.

Welcome to four years ago. The future was yesterday.

 

[entremet]

Nintendo critics: I'm tired of Mario and Zelda, give us some original IPs and better 3rd party support.

Nintendo: Look, we got Bayonetta 2.

Nintendo critics: Noooo! I want to play it on my system choice!

 

[whalleywhat]

That doesn't seem to reflect the thread really. People aren't mad it's not on Orbis/Durango, they're mad it's not on PS360. Systems they don't need to buy, because they own them.

I thought everyone on GAF was into whining that announced games weren't next gen.

 

[Kyoufu]

say hello to the pro controller

I'm still worried. The right stick is where the face buttons normally would be. Will be interesting to use with MH3GHD in December.

 

[ari]

This is a true MEGATON if i ever seen one.

 

[RurouniZel]

Nintendo critics: I'm tired of Mario and Zelda, give us some original IPs and better 3rd party support.

Nintendo: Look, we got Bayonetta 2.

Nintendo critics: Noooo! I want to play it on my system choice!

Basically, this.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

It's a Wii U exclusive, and you want it, but you don't want a Wii U? This makes no sense.

$300+ for a single game is quite a lot of money, I can understand it(in the same way as VC looked amazing, but it wasn't enough for me to buy a PS3).

 

[Flachmatuch]

They may not be interested in anything else on the system so spending 300$+ for 1 game angers them. I'm sure they're glad it exists they just wish it wasn't in this way. Shit happens though that's what exclusives are about, if they care that deeply about the franchise they'll get it, but I think they have a right to be upset and it's not blind Nintendo hating.

If I knew for 100% certain that a Remedy game was exclusive to a platform and wouldn't ever go to PC or anywhere else I'd probably get it for that. I was pissed at Microsoft for a long time for keeping Alan Wake exclusive. I waited out for it on PC hoping Remedy would find a way to do it and was rewarded eventually but I don't think that's going to be the case with Bayonetta 2. Maybe Nintendo only made a 1-2 year deal with Sega though and after that Sega can do what it wants with it who knows.

How difficult is it to understand that without Nintendo, the game wouldn't even exist? Seriously, your argument MAKES NO SENSE if the choice is between a game that DOES NOT EXIST or one that's exclusive to the platform holder that saves it. No matter how long you ramble on and how many irrelevant comparisons you make, if this is the case, the "anger" is idiotic, no two ways around that. Moneyhatting a game away from multiplatform availability is a different issue. But if the choice is between a game not existing or only existing on a platform you don't plan to own, "anger" equals "stupidity".

are you trying to not comprehend what i'm saying? its not about Bayonetta 2, its about the disbelief that people don't want to buy a wiiu over this.



because not wanting to pay 3+ dollars for a console +bayonetta 2 means a lack of want of bayonetta 2. He wants it, he clearly just doesn't need it..especially not that bad.

Mhm. There aren't too many people who make this point though (and the one I remember who made it made perfect sense...although I'm not saying no one does that), so you're mostly fighting against strawman, while ignoring the overwhelming stupidity of the other side, which is much more common in this thread. It's pretty obvious too, so maybe you should stop this silliness if you don't want to make a compelte fool of yourself.

 

[Clairvoyance]

Honestly, people that post the bolded are more annoying than the overly flamboyant angry ones.

"If you want to play Bayonetta 2 you need to get a Wii-U, Deal With It Hurr."

It's like;

No Fucking shit.

It's almost as annoying as if someone went into every thread with a 360/PS3 exclusive and told everyone that they don't want to buy a 360/PS3. I think the most expected response from posters would be "WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK?".

 

[EloquentM]

I'm still worried. The right stick is where the face buttons normally would be. Will be interesting to use with MH3GHD in December.

Hands on impressions say its pretty comfortable and takes a short time to get use to. you should be fine.

 

[Skilletor]

yes, the salt it typical, if it wasn't Nintendo, it would be for whatever other console they didn't own, but the Nintendo Zealotry sticsk out more because its exclusive to Nintendo fans. You guys seriously have a problem with people NOT wanting a nintendo console.



read above.

You're funny. I'm a fan of games. I buy systems to play games. If a system has games I want, I buy it. I don't come and bitch about it on a message board like many of the people in this thread.

I doubt many Bayo fans are "Nintendo fans," simply because the game is only available on other platforms.

 

[Uno Venova]

Nintendo critics: I'm tired of Mario and Zelda, give us some original IPs and better 3rd party support.

Nintendo: Look, we got Bayonetta 2.

Nintendo critics: Noooo! I want to play it on my system choice!

And you generalize forum posters. Bravo.

 

[NoirVisage]

Nintendo critics: I'm tired of Mario and Zelda, give us some original IPs and better 3rd party support.

Nintendo: Look, we got Bayonetta 2.

Nintendo critics: Noooo! I want to play it on my system choice!

why do they have to be "critics", its just not some peoples thing, i'm in that boat, there's not a single nintendo IP that interests me, so why would i get a console who's first party , the cream of its crop, i won't even indulge in?
ANYONE would want to play the sequel to the game they first got on their system..on that same system, why can't you comprehend this?

 

[StuBurns]

So should we expect them to get angry when new games are announced for Sony's or Microsoft's new systems, since they don't own those yet either? We are moving forward into a new generation now. It's that time, so you might want to warm up to the idea of new hardware.

This is a special case though, even without the performance difference debate, this was a PS360 game that was cancelled.

But yes, no doubt we will see lots of frustrated people when certain games are exclusively on the other two next-gen systems. If Versus is announced for Orbis only, people are going to lose their shit, if it's Sony to Sony or not is irrelevant.