Support NeoGAF

[EmCeeGramr]

well the point is the sequel to a game you liked was dead before it was on a system you didn't want to buy.

i didn't really have an interest in the ps3 for a while, and was kinda bummed that skies 2 turned into valkyria chronicles, but i bought vc day one knowing that it'd be there once the ps3 was under $300.

and the ps3 got other games i enjoyed that i might not have otherwise played.

See, this is exactly why I hate how, every time a game is announced for a new platform during a time when the lines are being drawn in the sand, people will say "That's good, but I'm not going to pay $n00 for one game!"

It's not like these things are the gee-dee PC Engine CD or the Atari Jaguar. They're going to have more than one (1) good game over however many years they exist. If you'd open your minds just a little, you'd find that maybe they have a lot of worthwhile titles???

 

[Shinta]

Once again, consumers can really blame themselves. Bayonetta sold a dismal 100k in the first week in the US, across both platforms. It was heavily marketed too.

Nintendo is moneyhatting the game, but if they weren't, I don't think it would get made because of poor sales.

If you want to blame anyone, blame all the people who were endlessly posting that her head was too small, or some other ridiculous complaint, and then went on to not buy the game.

 

[Karsticles]

This victim complex is tiring and it's in every one of these threads. Do you really think that's why they're upset?

- Maybe they don't want to purchase an underpowered console that's only slightly more powerful than current gen

- Maybe they don't like Nintendo 1st party games and thus a large portion of the library is irrelevant to them, making a purchase of the console simply not worth it

- Maybe they consider online a big part of their gaming life and don't have faith in Nintendo's online network

But no, it's none of those things, it's because they irrationally despise the company? How could anyone really hate Nintendo? Most of us grew up on them.

There are exclusives that come to every console, and I don't get upset about it if I don't want the console. Mature people accept the consequences of their decisions. They don't blame a console developer for attracting third parties to their platform. That's nonsense.

What victim complex? I've owned all 3 consoles this generation. I don't need to be on a "side". Rampant Nintendo hatred is obvious, though.

Never playing the first Bayo.. I honestly had no idea it such a big deal anyways, but clearly I'm wrong with some of these reactions.

I can see why people would be annoyed since it's a sequel and now it could certainly be an exclusive forever. If Nintendo did save it and put the resoruces to bring the game from death, NOONE has the right to complain.

Shouldn't they be angry at Sega in the first place?!

Blaming Sega would make too much sense.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

This victim complex is tiring and it's in every one of these threads. Do you really think that's why they're upset?

- Maybe they don't want to purchase an underpowered console that's only slightly more powerful than current gen

- Maybe they don't like Nintendo 1st party games and thus a large portion of the library is irrelevant to them, making a purchase of the console simply not worth it

- Maybe they consider online a big part of their gaming life and don't have faith in Nintendo's online network

But no, it's none of those things, it's because they irrationally despise the company? How could anyone really hate Nintendo? Most of us grew up on them.

Oh, I think this out and out "Hate Nintendo" thing is BS.

But it still stands. This game will likely look at least as good as Bayonetta 360. Probably better because of its singular platform focus.

This was the only chance of it coming out.

If you're actually a fan. Seeing it anywhere would be a blessing.

I'd have bought a PS3 at $599 for Shenmue 3.

 

[ArjanN]

Then what the fuck does it matter to you?

There were two options.

WiiU, or no game at all.

We heard nothing about any publisher showing interest. Your Bayo was dead. Dead enough that Alberto was shocked to see it announced.

It can't be a betrayal or disappointing if the only other option was no game at all.

Considering I do feel disapointed, I'm pretty sure it can be.

 

[bakedpony]

It's okay fellow PS360 owners, we still have DmC!!!!

Spoiler

just joking!

I wonder what the reaction will be if "dead" franchises suddenly have a console-exclusive sequel.

Godhand 2 PS3? Mirror's Edge 2 360?

 

[Principate]

It's a weird victim complex. There are far more posts saying how salty everyone is and how they must hate Nintendo than there are actual posts where that happened, far more.

Did you see the twitter crap... That was a whole new level of awful.

 

[cj_iwakura]

I'm pretty sure Bayonetta PS3 was anything but glorious from what I've heard

It had flaws, but I enjoyed it just fine.

 

[olimpia84]

3500+ posts already in this thread?? wtf
And the sad thing is most of them are people complaining that this is on a Nintendo console, why? I can see if the game in question was MGS, GTA or something hugely popular but Bayonetta? Please...

 

[AlphaTwo00]

You know who Bayonetta fans who doesn't want it on Wii U should be angry at? Fellow PS360 owners who didn't support the first game to be profitable.

If Bayonetta was profitable, wouldn't Sega have taken a chance to publish it?

 

[TheCongressman1]

I didn't really care for the first one, but it's cool that Nintendo pulled it out of the fire.

I'm interested in this though. Will wait for details.

 

[TGO]

You know what bothers me? This kind of shit happens all the time and there isn't this much backlash. Hell, when Final Fantasy 7 and onwards become Playstation exclusive and abandoned the console that made them famous (NES and SNES) Nintendo fans didn't fuss like this.

When Crash Bandicoot went multiplatform I don't remember the internet going apeshit.

When Rare and all their amazing ip's (Conkers, Banjo, and Perfect Dark) were bought by Microsoft I don't remember seeing all these meltdowns.

Video games are an industry, a business, and companies do what they can to survive. Platinum is probably ecstatic that their developmental efforts will not be wasted and their artistic vision will be reached due to Nintendo funding the game. Instead of Platinum having to lay off employees or throw out a nbunch of code, they have new hope again, a larger budget, more marketing, and only need to focus on developing for one console (allowing for better optimization of games). No need to shit on Nintendo or Platinum for what happened today. Both of them got what they wanted; Nintendo got an action button masher that they don't have in their lineup, and Platinum got a publisher to fund their game.

1) everyone, well nearly everyone had a PSX anyway so it didn't matter.
2) nobody cared anymore
3) nobody cared anymore

 

[AlphaTwo00]

Godhand 2 PS3? Mirror's Edge 2 360?

As s fan of both of those games? Sure, why not. Put it on the Vita and I'll go get one.

 

[Shinta]

You know who Bayonetta fans who doesn't want it on Wii U should be angry at? Fellow PS360 owners who didn't support the first game to be profitable.

If Bayonetta was profitable, wouldn't Sega have taken a chance to publish it?

Exactly.

And don't be shocked if Nintendo funds another Mistwalker game also, and doesn't bother putting it out in the US since The Last Story sold 40k.

 

[Forever]

There are far more posts saying how salty everyone is and how they must hate Nintendo than there are actual posts where that happened, far more.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Considering I do feel disapointed, I'm pretty sure it can be.

That's just generalized insanity on your part.

I can't see the issue as anything other than that.

You were never going to get the game on a platform you own. It's either WiiU or nothing at all.

Believe me. ShockingAlberto isn't one to lie. He said it was dead as dead could be.

 

[shinra-bansho]

You know what bothers me? This kind of shit happens all the time and there isn't this much backlash. Hell, when Final Fantasy 7 and onwards become Playstation exclusive and abandoned the console that made them famous (NES and SNES) Nintendo fans didn't fuss like this.

The internet wasn't nearly as pervasive back then.

When Hiroshi Yamauchi is publicly salty about it, I highly doubt "Nintendo fans didn't fuss."

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Did you see the twitter crap... That was a whole new level of awful.

Saw the pic someone posted. They sound like the gross Youtube comments that litter every video.

 

[PixyJunket]

I get the notion you don't like Sony or Sony fans

I have no personal bias for or against Sony. I own most of their platforms.

Sony fans on the other hand, well the proof is in the pudding, FF XIII thread, DMC 4 thread, DQ IX thread, etc., etc., etc.

It's not hard to figure out who is making the most noise about this announcement when there's a solid history of it.

 

[ArjanN]

Are you trying to imply there'd be less meltdowns? lol

If it was a Vita exlusive the thread would be pretty much identical, except some of the disappointed people and smug people would be switched out. Although there'd probably be some more disappointed people because it'd be on a handheld.

 

[The Bookerman]

Is this really a "wall of shame" though?

I mean, there is post with simply a frown and it's on the wall?

I mean no disrespect to your work mama, but everyone needs to calm down. I completely understand why some people are disappointed that Bayonetta 2 is a WiiU exclusive. They bought the game on PS3 or Xbox and probably a lot of them only have one console (and a handheld / PC / whatevs) and also I assume that many of these people did not have any intentions of buying a WiiU. So seeing their beloved franchise appear anew sure is great, but if you want to play it, you are basically forced to buy a system you never had any intention to buy. The outrage would be here as well if bayonetta 2 was a PS3 / 360 exclusive, because the some of the fanbase of this game, played it on a different console.
Of course many here don't care because they were getting a WiiU regardless, so for them it's a big win and they are happy.

But surely not everyone who is disappointed with this news should be publicly shamed and titled as anti-Nintendo.

Disclaimer: I have neither played Bayonetta nor have any intention to buy the WiiU in the next couple of years.

Don't be an apologist for these guys. It's unwarranted hate. The Game exists now because Nintendo wants to pay to publish it. If you're unwilling to buy a wii U out of spite for Nintendo, it's damn juvenile.

 

[chertipros]

This victim complex is tiring and it's in every one of these threads. Do you really think that's why they're upset?

- Maybe they don't want to purchase an underpowered console that's only slightly more powerful than current gen

- Maybe they don't like Nintendo 1st party games and thus a large portion of the library is irrelevant to them, making a purchase of the console simply not worth it

- Maybe they consider online a big part of their gaming life and don't have faith in Nintendo's online network

But no, it's none of those things, it's because they irrationally despise the company? How could anyone really hate Nintendo? Most of us grew up on them.

Stop acting like there aren't people in this thread that legitimately hate nintendo for no real reason. Seriously. They might be a small minority of the posters in this thread, but alot of the "victim complex" posts you keep mentioning are replies to posts from those kind of people

 

[Vdragoon]

Someone (Heavy) didn't read all those twitters did they.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

The internet wasn't nearly as pervasive back then.

When Hiroshi Yamauchi is publicly salty about it, I highly doubt "Nintendo fans didn't fuss."

That's where the 'JRPG fans are sad, lonely people who play games alone in the dark' thing originated?

 

[durrrrrrrrrr]

judging from the backlash Nintendo should have let the game stay dead.

 

[Chet Rippo]

This is a really strange pickup for Nintendo. A game without a history on Nintendo consoles and had not much success on the market. Awesome game, so glad its getting a sequel but it is a strange decicion by Nintendo.

I'm assuming to help create/foster a market for other hardcore 3rd party games.

 

[Dr.Palutena]

don't be silly, P-100 is a pikmin, no one who is a fan of platinum games even takes it seriously.

Nice of you speak for every platinum games fan.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

If it was a Vita exlusive the thread would be pretty much identical, except some of the disappointed people and smug people would be switched out. Although there'd probably be some more disappointed people because it'd be on a handheld.

And they'd still be wrong.

If you like the game it shouldn't matter where it is as long as it exists. Maybe they should have waited 5 years. And then announced it as WiiU exclusive. Some perspectives might be better by then.

 

[The Bookerman]

I have no personal bias for or against Sony. I own most of their platforms.

Sony fans on the other hand, well the proof is in the pudding, FF XIII thread, DMC 4 thread, DQ IX thread, etc., etc., etc.

It's not hard to figure out who is making the most noise about this announcement when there's a solid history of it.

This guys seems like an Xbox fan.

 

[NBtoaster]

I don't see why Nintendo would do this when it wasn't a big moneymaker when it was multiplatform. Short of changing the style I don't see how a niche multiplatform> niche exclusive [to an unrelated company and platform] will even match what the first game did.

[I'm not port begging, I really dont like OTT wacky stuff like Bayonetta]

 

[CLEEK]

This victim complex is tiring and it's in every one of these threads. Do you really think that's why they're upset?

- Maybe they don't want to purchase an underpowered console that's only slightly more powerful than current gen

- Maybe they don't like Nintendo 1st party games and thus a large portion of the library is irrelevant to them, making a purchase of the console simply not worth it

- Maybe they consider online a big part of their gaming life and don't have faith in Nintendo's online network

But no, it's none of those things, it's because they irrationally despise the company? How could anyone really hate Nintendo? Most of us grew up on them.

Well, if you are a gamer whose main focus is on those points, chances are you'll be a PC gamer. And since when have PC gamers cared about, or even had regular access to, Japanese games?

 

[Effect]

Never played the original. To be honest I'm not crazy about Devil May Cry style games though I did play and liked to a degree the first DMC. I'll be honest I will be willing to give this a try because it's going to be on a Nintendo console. That might be wrong but that's where I'm at. The original game looked fun from the videos I saw but I was never interested enough to buy the game since I was more invested in playing games on the Wii and a game had to really grab my interest in the PS3/360 and be priced decently (not $60).

 

[10k]

It's okay fellow PS360 owners, we still have DmC!!!!

Spoiler

just joking!

I wonder what the reaction will be if "dead" franchises suddenly have a console-exclusive sequel.

Godhand 2 PS3? Mirror's Edge 2 360?

Final Fantasy Versus XIII Wii U exclusive *Gets slapped*
The Last Guardian switches development to Wii U *Gets slapped harder*

Did you see the twitter crap... That was a whole new level of awful.

Those tweets aspired to be awful. They were so low that nobody can describe them into words.

You know who Bayonetta fans who doesn't want it on Wii U should be angry at? Fellow PS360 owners who didn't support the first game to be profitable.

If Bayonetta was profitable, wouldn't Sega have taken a chance to publish it?

You get a cookie. Thank you for posting this. I actually bought Bayonetta for the PS3 and can't wait to buy it for the Wii U.

 

[A Human Becoming]

This is a really strange pickup for Nintendo. A game without a history on Nintendo consoles and had not much success on the market. Awesome game, so glad its getting a sequel but it is a strange decicion by Nintendo.

It is incredibly strange, especially them backing two Platinum games. Nintendo might have been serious about seeking the hardcore gamer.

 

[ArjanN]

That's just generalized insanity on your part.

I can't see the issue as anything other than that.

You were never going to get the game on a platform you own. It's either WiiU or nothing at all.

Believe me. ShockingAlberto isn't one to lie. He said it was dead as dead could be.

Just because something is the way it is and you have no choice but to accept it, doesn't mean you can't feel disappointed about it.

 

[Azure J]

This whole thing actually reminds me of when we had the Project P-100 reveal thread, and there was a lot of hate over a Hideki Kamiya game because it was too cutesy/had bad graphics/was on Wii U/was not Bayonetta 2/etc

Hate. Over a Kamiya game.

Kamiya.

I still feel bad for sounding like that due to the pervading aura of "what the actual fuck" that was everywhere post E3 2012. At the same time not only is The Wonderful 101 one of "I want it now" titles now, we actually wound up with Bayonetta 2.

Things have an extremely weird way of working themselves out if you sit back and chill.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

don't be silly, P-100 is a pikmin, no one who is a fan of platinum games even takes it seriously.

What's ironic about that for me is that P-100 is the only Platinum game that I've ever been really interested in. It's probably the isometric camera and bright art style, it looks fantastic. You don't see that many full-fledged AAA isometric games anymore outside of some RTS and moba . The new X-com is another.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

The Last Guardian switches development to Wii U *Gets slapped harder*

Nintendo can have TLG if I get a Super Mario Galaxy HD collection for PS3

 

[Firemind]

Just because something is the way it is and you have no choice but to accept it, doesn't mean you can't feel disappointed about it.

Welcome to reality.

 

[Shinta]

I don't see why Nintendo would do this when it wasn't a big moneymaker when it was multiplatform.

It sold 1 million in Japan, but bombed everywhere else. Totally bombed.

 

[Mechazawa]

I don't see why Nintendo would do this when it wasn't a big moneymaker when it was multiplatform. Short of changing the style I don't see how a niche multiplatform> niche exclusive [to an unrelated company and platform] will even match what the first game did.

[I'm not port begging, I really dont like OTT wacky stuff like Bayonetta]

It's a way to show off more third party support, one of Nintendo's biggest weaknesses.

I don't think "whether or not it fits the platform" should be a signifying factor over how Nintendo attracts this support. They're certainly not in a position to be picky.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

THE QUEEN HAS FUCKING RETURNED

 

[LegendofJoe]

This whole thing actually reminds me of when we had the Project P-100 reveal thread, and there was a lot of hate over a Hideki Kamiya game because it was too cutesy/had bad graphics/was on Wii U/was not Bayonetta 2/etc

Hate. Over a Kamiya game.

Kamiya.

To any serious fan of the hobby I consider this to be inexcusable. You may not like the theme of the game he is overseeing, but you can count on one hand the number of game designers in the industry that are as talented as Kamiya. When he makes something you owe it to yourself try your best to approach it with an open mind, he's that good.

 

[watershed]

Twitter is a great source of unintended comedy.

 

[Noi]

Don't be an apologist for these guys. It's unwarranted hate. The Game exists now because Nintendo wants to pay to publish it. If you're unwilling to buy a wii U out of spite for Nintendo, it's damn juvenile.

I'm unwilling to buy a Wii U because the current lineup doesn't appeal to me, I'm not convinced I'll enjoy playing with the pad, I don't have $300 to spend and Nintendo's online track record doesn't leave me with much faith for the digital side. This isn't black and white, I can have plenty of reasons to not buy their new system without one being that I hate Nintendo or some crap. My reason for not owning a 360 isn't because I hate Microsoft.

 

[TGO]

I honestly think some people would rather the game not exist than for it to exist and not be on a Glorious Sony System.

Despite liking the game and owning a Sony system I'm sure Bayonetta is actually more a 360 game
So kinda confused at the dig at PlayStation owners or is this a ol'skool Nintendo Vs Sony thing?

 

[abadguy]

Get a job.

I have a job, i also have bills. Rent electric, cable etc. I still like to game but i have to worry about other things as well. This is why its pretty easy to understand that not everyone has the disposable income to drop 300 bucks on every console that has a game they want to play. Not everyone has their parents to pay for all of their shit.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Why would you decide which system to buy for any other reason aside from the games that will be made for it?

People make decisions based on the current information at hand. The decision may be not to buy a Wii U at present, (and based on the perceived notion of poor future third-party support). These decisions aren't necessarily immutable.

That's where the 'JRPG fans are sad, lonely people who play games alone in the dark' thing originated?

Found it in an old thread.

"[People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games," he noted in a 1999 interview. Yamauchi - who incidentally has prided himself on the fact that he has never played a videogame - went on to call RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."

"There is no truth to an agreement between Nintendo and Square," said Yamauchi. "[Square] is free to say what they want, but there are no plans for a contract, and the chances that there will be one in the future are low."

In 2001, after Square expressed interest in working on future Nintendo platforms, Yamauchi told Bloomberg Japan that Nintendo would not allow that to happen. "There is no contract with Square, and that matter is not open to further discussion," Yamauchi told the financial news service. "[Square] can say whatever they want, but we have no intention of signing a contract, and there's little chance of one being signed in the future."

The betrayalton hit hard. Of course part of that is just Yamauchi being egotistical and douchey I assume.

It's a way to show off more third party support, one of Nintendo's biggest weaknesses.

It's not really third-party support per se... Unless Gears of War is considered third party support I guess.

 

[Principate]

Saw the pic someone posted. They sound like the gross Youtube comments that litter every video.

Not really more like the gross you find in DmC youtube video's, as in specifically directed hatred and in large amounts. No don't you tube is a cess pool quite often, but this actually at the point where people really care, which is where it gets ugly.

 

[Syphon Filter]

First of all i have a job, i also have bills. Rent electric, cable etc. I still like to game but i have to worry about other things as well. This is why its pretty easy to understand that not everyone has the disposable income to drop 300 bucks on every console that has a game they want to play. Not everyone has their parents to pay for all of their shit.

welp it might go to others later on. Published doesn't mean its guaranteed to stay exclusive.