Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)

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Drago said:
Please don't do this
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Why not? It matches the tone of half of the posts in this thread: take a perfectly legitimate criticism - that some people are taking Bayo 2's exclusivity way too personally, even to an unhealthy extent - and drive it as far into the fucking ground as you can, while mocking anyone who shows even the slightest sign of disappointment.
 
Wow, I haven't really been on GAF today since the announcements this morning, I'm shocked at how big of a deal this apparently is. If only there had been this kind of internet fervor about the first game when it was released :/
 
RedSwirl said:
I think you're reaching a bit too far there.

I think it's just Nintendo reaching towards what they naturally see as the "core" games - "core" Japanese games from companies like Platinum, Sega, and Square Enix. I think that's what they still think of when they ask themselves the question "what do the core gamers want?"

Remember, the current environment where the core console space is ruled by western studios has really only occurred in the last console generation. It seems to me like it's almost passed Nintendo by, or something like that. A lot of the biggest console developers this past gen are companies that were almost PC exclusive before roughly 2005 and have no working relationship with Nintendo. Bethesda, Epic, id, Irrational, Arkane, Valve, Obsidian, and BioWare have collectively shipped virtually no games on Nintendo hardware. They and Nintendo are probably still pretty foreign to each other. That's why almost the only western "core" games you're seeing appear on the Wii U right now are from the big guys who've always been publishing on console like EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc.

Honestly I think this is Nintendo's greatest weakness when it comes to 3rd party. In the last several years a whole new environment of development talent has shown up that is completely foreign to Nintendo. Thus far we haven't seen a huge amount of effort from either side to get to know the other in business terms.

From Nintendo's relationship with Platinum and how they treat Retro, I'd like to think that the people up there making the business calls recognize talent and the actual need to foster it. Iwata himself stated that Nintendo probably won't buy developers outright anymore because he fears talent leak - something few other gaming executives even acknowledge. He even talked about it as part of the reason Nintendo put Retro to work on Mario Kart 7 and Donkey Kong. What I'm saying is, it would be a shame if that "eye" for development talent at Nintendo were to completely overlook the likes of Valve, Irrational, and the like. I'd like to see one of those companies establish the relationship with Nintendo that they have with Platinum.
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I think it was Opiate or Nirolak who said earlier in the thread that Nintendo's current problem is that almost none of the developers who are in the Cool Kids Club in terms of the Western scene have any interest in them. The point you made about most of them being former PC developers is spot on though.
 
Instro said:
Grave robbing even.
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So the consensus is Nintendo went from cradle robbing to graving robbing within a generation. Tis truly is a revolution!

Anyway, glad to see Bayonetta 2 on anything. I would have been satisfied with it buggy leaked and poorly emulated on PC. But a new system and great publisher, the day's best news.
 
DigitalOp said:
The funny thing is... Since money comes in to play... It basically is now sooooo ???

Platinum and Nintendo are making babies
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No, not really. Sega owns the Bayonetta IP, Nintendo just funded, and will publish, Bayonetta 2 in return for exclusivity. If Sega wanted to they could make Bayonetta 3 for iOS.
 
I've been following this thread all day, even a work. Brilliant. Everything reads so brilliantly, accompanied by Bayonetta's awesome soundtrack, especially the great One of a Kind.
 
Honestly, an aggressive Nintendo that actually succeeds in recapturing the mid-tier Japanese catalog could pose an interesting situation for a lot of folks.

If you're multiplatform, and a strong Nintendo reappears, that makes PS4 and Xbox 720 occupy very different spaces from one another (based on the direction Sony and MS have been going with their platforms).

Sony has still been doing a good job of producing lots of exclusives for their platform, as well as having every multiplatform game.

Microsoft has, well, Halo and Forza, with a side of Gears of War. And Gears may not stay exclusive next gen.

So...

If you're not a Halo and Forza fan, what's more attractive:

A PS4 with every western 3rd party game + Sony 1st party exclusives and an Xbox 720 with Halo.

A PS4 with every western 3rd party game + Sony 1st party exclusives and a Wii U with lots of formerly dead and buried Japanese IPs and even entire classes of games + Nintendo's massive field of 1st party software.

And before people get too far on on the train to aggravation-ville, they should remember that the other consoles aren't out a month after Wii U. There's still some time to see how things are going to shape up before Sony and MS launch. I would kind of expect Nintendo knows this very well, and could be banking on showing Wii U has a difference before then.
 
Here it is

Opiate said:
I think that, for a broad variety of reasons, Nintendo is outside what I shall call the Cool Kids Club in the gaming universe.

The Cool Kids Club is loosely associated with sales (games like GTA are in this club, as is Elder Scrolls) but is not entirely dictated by it (games like Bioshock are definitely in this club, even though it's not an enormous seller).

If you consider it, think of all the influential developers in the medium -- the ones who other developers want to follow, and look up to. While we can quibble about a few names, I suspect most would agree the list includes names like Valve, Kojima, Rockstar, Irrational, Bethesda, Blizzard, Naughty Dog.

Nintendo hasn't gotten a real effort from any of these leaders of the Cool Kids Club for a long, long time. Despite their massive success with the Wii, they never got a game from Ken Levine, or the Houser Brothers, or from Epic. They never got a game from Bethesda, either. Or Valve. Or Square's Final Fantasy team, even, despite their relative decline of status in this club.

That is what they need to change. It is these few development houses that other lesser known developers look up to; Nintendo needs to find a way to get these developers on board, because pretty much the entirety of the "core" audience is led by these dozen or so developers. Where they go, others will follow.

Platinum is not Valve, or Rockstar, but they're on the periphery of this trend setting, Cool-Kids-Club group. That is my position on the issue.
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Man, this bit of news is just amazing. Out of nowhere!

Although to be honest I'm rather surprised at the reaction from most people.

I guess video games are indeed serious business.
 
DigitalOp said:
Because exclusives never get ported to other consoles in time.....

>_>

Nobody complains that you can only play God of War on a Sony console, Halo on a MS console, Zelda on a Nintendo console...

Why is this such a big ruckus??

Its just a game... you either get the system to play it or you dont.... They might port it, they might not... its the nature of the beast

Some people need growing up to do.
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They won't port it. It's published by Nintendo.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
No, not really. Sega owns the Bayonetta IP, Nintendo just funded, and will publish, Bayonetta 2 in return for exclusivity.
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Is there any chance that Sega might have known Nintendo was interested or known they could have sold the rights to Nintendo before they let it go, thus making the call to drop it an easy one? Sorry if this was already asked. This moves too fast.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
No one really cared about Dead Space for the Wii, and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories was a divisive game anyway (and the PS2/PSP ports are obviously inferior to the Wii version). Dunno about No More Heroes though, but the port came so late I can't imagine a lot of people cared much either way.
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Yeah, I really can't think of a good example of the reverse.

Epic Mickey? But again, I don't think anyone cared - the first had a mixed reception iirc.

If Gears of War 4 became a Wii U or PS4 exclusive I'd expect outcry. And I can imagine Japanese 360 users probably got annoyed at being used as testers for eventual PS3 versions.

But I'm failing to find equivalents from the last few Nintendo generations, largely because I can't really think of AAA-Nintendo platform exclusives from recent history that aren't published by Nintendo.
 
Daschysta said:
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Wow Sega!
you seriously don't give a fuck about Bayonetta, do you?
 
Also to hit on another tangent....


Does nobody ever study the moves Nintendo makes? We all know Nintendo is a Japanese company, And throughout history everyone screams doom and gloom about their future.

You know why that never comes to fruition? Because Nintendo makes sure they do whats necessary to rally the base in the homeland first. No matter what happens overseas, Nintendo will always be making money in Japan. Hell, wasn't all this announced on the JP Nintendo Direct Feed?

Bayonetta 2 and MHTriG solidify the Wii U's presence in the motherland. Japanese gamers are gonna eat this shit up.

Its called business.
 
Kaijima said:
Honestly, an aggressive Nintendo that actually succeeds in recapturing the mid-tier Japanese catalog could pose an interesting situation for a lot of folks.
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I could easily be a Wii U/PC only gamer this coming generation if that happened.

Middle budget Japanese games are my bread and butter.
 
Kaijima said:
Honestly, an aggressive Nintendo that actually succeeds in recapturing the mid-tier Japanese catalog could pose an interesting situation for a lot of folks.

If you're multiplatform, and a strong Nintendo reappears, that makes PS4 and Xbox 720 occupy very different spaces from one another (based on the direction Sony and MS have been going with their platforms).
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I agree, if Nintendo can do this and succeed, they would make for an amazing "main" console for the Nintendo faithful and a outstanding "second" console for the Japanese gamer who waxes eloquently about the downfall of the Mid-tier and niche Japanese games.

If Nintendo can occupy this market and succeed, Japanese gamers like myself would have to buy the console, regardless of whether they like Nintendo or not.
 
shinra-bansho said:
Yeah, I really can't think of a good example of the reverse.

Epic Mickey? But again, I don't think anyone cared - the first had a mixed reception iirc.

If Gears of War 4 became a Wii U or PS4 exclusive I'd expect outcry. And I can imagine Japanese 360 users probably got annoyed at being used as testers for eventual PS3 versions.

But I'm failing to find equivalents from the last few Nintendo generations, largely because I can't really think of AAA-Nintendo platform exclusives from recent history that aren't published by Nintendo.
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Funny thing is, when Epic Mickey 2 went multiplatform, GAFfers (myself included) got salty over the good version being a 3DS exclusive while the home console version is the one no one really cares about :lol

2&2 said:
Is there any chance that Sega might have known Nintendo was interested or known they could have sold the rights to Nintendo before they let it go, thus making the call to drop it an easy one? Sorry if this was already asked. This moves too fast.
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Sega's logo was in the trailer, so they surely still own the IP. They likely just worked out a deal with Nintendo and Platinum.

DigitalOp said:
This is true but...

One of the top 10 rules of business: Don't piss off your investors
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Nintendo aren't investors in Sega though, so they don't really have a say in what Sega would do with the Bayonetta IP.
 
PixyJunket said:
I could easily be a Wii U/PC only gamer this coming generation if that happened.

Middle budget Japanese games are my bread and butter.
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You have a good point, I should have addressed it.

We're kind of in a time when PC gaming is stronger than ever, actually. If one doesn't care about Sony's 1st party software either well; I would think you might want to go PC for the western games and get the best hardware.
 
Firemind said:
Everyone has bills. If you're that strapped for money that you can't possibly spend a few hundred dollars in six months' time, whether it's a luxury product or not, then perhaps it's a good idea to seek a financial consultant.

Otherwise, you're being a petulant child.
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If the level of conversation in this thread has reached the point that people need to divulge their personal finances to defend their current (not future, just current) value judgement of a luxury item or be tagged as disfunctional or a port begger, this may be the worst thread I've read in months.
 
shinra-bansho said:
Meh. I want some of the games from the cool kids club and some of the Japanese games, without having a half dozen boxes wired into my TV.

One console future with Sony hardware, Microsoft OS and Nintendo software!
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One console future would allow them all to price gouge everyone and would be an absolutely terrible thing to actually happen. Healthy competition is a good thing, even if it means we have to deal with a lot and miss out on games at times.
 
Kaijima said:
Honestly, an aggressive Nintendo that actually succeeds in recapturing the mid-tier Japanese catalog could pose an interesting situation for a lot of folks.

If you're multiplatform, and a strong Nintendo reappears, that makes PS4 and Xbox 720 occupy very different spaces from one another (based on the direction Sony and MS have been going with their platforms).

Sony has still been doing a good job of producing lots of exclusives for their platform, as well as having every multiplatform game.

Microsoft has, well, Halo and Forza, with a side of Gears of War. And Gears may not stay exclusive next gen.

So...

If you're not a Halo and Forza fan, what's more attractive:

A PS4 with every western 3rd party game + Sony 1st party exclusives and an Xbox 720 with Halo.

A PS4 with every western 3rd party game + Sony 1st party exclusives and a Wii U with lots of formerly dead and buried Japanese IPs and even entire classes of games + Nintendo's massive field of 1st party software.

And before people get too far on on the train to aggravation-ville, they should remember that the other consoles aren't out a month after Wii U. There's still some time to see how things are going to shape up before Sony and MS launch. I would kind of expect Nintendo knows this very well, and could be banking on showing Wii U has a difference before then.
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Microsoft also has Xbox Live. You can predict that PSN will catch up to it next gen, but I have a feeling that they'll only catch up to where XBL is now, not where XBL will be. I think that's been the main attraction to the 360 over the PS3 for some time now.


DigitalOp said:
Also to hit on another tangent....


Does nobody ever study the moves Nintendo makes? We all know Nintendo is a Japanese company, And throughout history everyone screams doom and gloom about their future.

You know why that never comes to fruition? Because Nintendo makes sure they do whats necessary to rally the base in the homeland first. No matter what happens overseas, Nintendo will always be making money in Japan. Hell, wasn't all this announced on the JP Nintendo Direct Feed?

Bayonetta 2 and MHTriG solidify the Wii U's presence in the motherland. Japanese gamers are gonna eat this shit up.

Its called business.
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And with that base comes the Japanese third party developer support.
 
I hope those complaining realize the game wouldn't exist without Nintendo. Sega clearly didn't want to have it made. If they don't want to buy a Wii U that's cool. They can always pretend it still doesn't exist if the thought of it being a Nintendo published game is so vile to them. It's not like game series haven't jumped consoles in the past.
 
On further thought, maybe Xenoblade sequel or Last Story follow up exclusive to a different platform could elicit a reaction.

Papercuts said:
One console future would allow them all to price gouge everyone and would be an absolutely terrible thing to actually happen. Healthy competition is a good thing, even if it means we have to deal with a lot and miss out on games at times.
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Meh. The market is self-correcting and there's always PC.

Although on further thought, probably one "standard" with multiple vendors would serve better. Like with other hardware.
 
Fine Ham Abounds said:
If the level of conversation in this thread has reached the point that people need to divulge their personal finances to defend their current (not future, just current) value judgement of a luxury item or be tagged as disfunctional or a port begger, this may be the worst thread I've read in months.
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What do you have to hide? Just post a scan of your W-2s ok.
 
Esque7 said:
So, going by these people's logic, some would not even buy the game if it came out on the PS4/Xbox720 because that would require them buying a new console?

I don't understand. This is like saying I wouldn't buy FFX because it would require me to buy a PS2. Series span multiple generations people, get over it.
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After the Wii, Nintendo has a lot more to prove to core gamers with the Wii U than Sony/MS with their new consoles.
 
Papercuts said:
One console future would allow them all to price gouge everyone and would be an absolutely terrible thing to actually happen. Healthy competition is a good thing, even if it means we have to deal with a lot and miss out on games at times.
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One console future could be a good thing.

But having a single manufacturer would not. Now, get every company from Sony, to Samsung, to Acer releasing their own version of that core hardware?
 
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