Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)
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electroshockwave
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MGS4 was on a completely different hardware generation to the PS2.
Poeple aren't going to celebrate a multiplat going exclusive.
Most of these seem like reasonable reactions if nothing else on the Wii U interests them.
I doubt Nintendo is betting the farm on Bayonetta. It is just a decent and available exclusive to add onto their platform. They also have longer term interests in forming partnerships with other companies.
WanderingWind
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I'm pretty confused. If they announced, say Chrono Trigger 2 with all the original creators (or as many as were still alive) but it would only be for the X-Box 720, I'd just be pretty happy that I was getting another Chrono Trigger.
Can anybody explain the rage?
Can anybody explain the rage?
WiiU is a next gen system.
except for the fact that there's been a lot of talk of everyone passing on this game before Nintendo jumped in
in a world where it's this or nothing i'll take this
GameCenterXDS
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Yeah but when you look at the whole situation and see that it really was in trouble of never being made with Sega doing a horrible job at handling the first game and its PS3 version, it is just great to see Nintendo step in and grab this game for themselves and give it the backing it deserves.
"Because.. it's Nintendo."
shinra-bansho
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There's little doubt that whatever game produced would run on the PS3 and 360, with little concession, unless they go all out with tablet features - but I really can't see that happening in an actiony game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're just reusing whatever was already done for the PS360.
KojiKnight
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Psst... Chrono Cross was Chrono Trigger 2... or actually 2.5 (radical dreamers was 2).
All you really need to make a good Chrono Trigger series game is Kato (head writer of CT/RD/CC)... but he's been busy working on FF14 which keeps him pretty busy, at least that's what most interviews said about him. He'd love to do more chrono games, but Squeenix never gives him a chance... The new Squeenix is afraid to look too japanese anymore, so about the only thing they still release that's japanese-y is FF games.
(edit) Ignore this mostly... I fail read <_<
They could have obtained, say, Vanquish 2, which is a safer bet than Bayo. This will also establish a good partnership with Platinum Games.
Yeah, there were definitely some crazy freakouts on Twitter, but I don't think GAF lost their shit on this that bad. Particularly, I don't think the initial reaction of "I hope this comes to my console of choice" is at all a weird thing to say. Initially. Once you learn that (supposedly) Bayo 2 was dead until Nintendo stepped-up, then it's weird to stomp your feet about a port. But not at first. At first, it's just a "was Nintendo just granted the reveal, timed exclusive, exclusive content, what?" sort of thing, and I don't think that's unreasonable.
Then again, I usually think people are exaggerating people's reactions on GAF in attempt to find some joy in people's perceived disappointment. Salt-enfreude. I also didn't think the U3 review reactions were all that crazy.
Edit: Oof, ok, I should have really read that entire Mama post before this response. That second half was pretty embarrassing.
"If I can't have her... *pulls out knife* ... nobody can."
People assume nothing will be released on the Wii U to ever justify a purchase, I guess? I'd call that a pretty premature assumption considering the Wii U isn't out, its competitors haven't even been named, and the game is nowhere near finished.
gamergirly
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Wii U is a next gen system
djplaeskool
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shinra-bansho
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Wait. Was this the only major new software announcement from the conferences? (Besides COD which was a given.)
Of course, it expands it from zero; which it apparently would have been without Nintendo.
Frustration is technically more justifiable this time actually - considering this move actually restricts the audience.
Of course, it expands it from zero; which it apparently would have been without Nintendo.
people dont care when there's reasons to get mad at something
Uncle0wnage
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So how long till Platinum goes second party with the big n and all those ips become Nintendo exclusive?
Thunder Monkey
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I'd be perfectly content if both sides would compromise.
WiiU is a next gen system, and it's also only marginally more powerful than the generation before. Which is a step up from the Wii. Which in some ways was weaker than the Xbox.
electroshockwave
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But still in the same ballpark as PS360. It started out as a PS360 game and apart from some gamepad stuff it probably will be very similar to what it would have been on PS360.
Necromanti
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I wouldn't be against seeing what Platinum Games could do with some of Nintendo's franchises.
They wouldn't become Nintendo exclusive because Plat doesn't own the Ip's. Sega own the majority and Konami owns Metal Gear.
Mikami made Reisdent Evil...Then Kamiya stepped in and made RE2 which was better in everyway.
Just as Kamiya made DMC and then Itsuno stepped up and made DMC3. Bayo 2 and Vanquish 2 could be far more amazing without them now that the ground work has been laid.
Combichristoffersen
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Do Platinum even own any of the IPs they have created, or are they all owned by Sega?
Ah, that answers my question.
Chet Rippo
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Monster Hunter in the west, both Wii U and 3DS versions.
GameCenterXDS
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Monster Hunter Tri G Ultimate with online play and cross play and transfer saves with 3DS version coming to all regions.
Wii is also a next generation console by that logic, for it is more powerful than a Gamecube. However, many people don't consider the Wii as a next generation system because the X360 and PS3 are much more powerful consoles.
If the X720 and PS4 are also much more powerful than the WiiU, then the cycle repeats for another 5-8 years.
I feel like for Nintendo this isn't about being a system seller. They can usually handle that.
I think this is about expanding the appeal of their console.
I can't imagine they expect to make much porting Ninja Gaiden 3 either, but it does counter some of the Nintendo doesn't take hardcore seriously accusations.
I wish the game would release on my Master Race PC so I could buy it for cheap during a Glorious Summer Sale, but being on Wii U doesn't make it a worse game and means you might have a reason to buy one.
GAF complains Nintendo doesn't get third party games.
GAF complains Nintendo gets third party games.
GAF complains Nintendo doesn't get third party games.
GAF complains Nintendo gets third party games.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Reading this thread I almost forgot about MonHun for WiiU...hype coming back.
I don't really believe in 2nd party, either you are first party or you are not. Nintendo is probably still determining that, they will want to see how Platinum works and what their attitude towards Nintendo is like. I think it will result in continued partnerships. Nintendo is hesitant to buy companies and be responsible for them.
We don't know how many publishers passed on it until it reached Nintendo. I doubt it was their last resort given they already had a relationship.
Black-Wind
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I'm actually willing to bet it may very well do better than the first. Nintendo it's backing this game for a reason and they know how to promote stuff (and iirc this game never got much air time other then a dark moody commercial ever now and then) and new consoles are much kinder to new IPs in those years where it hasn't been branded the "Shooter/ Platerformer/ Actiony/ RPG/ whatever" console.
Barack Lesnar
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I was just about to post this. You're 100% right.
Uncle0wnage
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Woops, never mind then. I guess sega would have to come into the stable too.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Holy shit this is hilarious!
I struggle to understand why Nintendo, of all companies, is the source of such pure, venomous, seething, virulent hatred.
Sony being hated by Sega fans, I can understand. I can even understand console / handheld gamers feeling threatened by iOS. But Nintendo? What harm have they done to anyone in the last fifteen years?
shinra-bansho
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It's a next gen system. But this [Bayonetta 2] is, as far as I'm aware, essentially a PS360 port.
Oh, forgot about that.
The West cares about Monster Hunter?
Now Japan, it's major. But then console Mon Hun's didn't light up the charts as much.
I thought there was supposed to be a software blow-out?
Oldschoolgamer
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Is that Rodin in the teaser?
Thunder Monkey
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Different situation.
Wii might have had some modern parts, but it's GPU was a DX 7 equivalent, with less versatility or functionality than the Xbox. WiiU's GPU is at least 2x as powerful, designed under a more modern paradigm. CPU's are purportedly similar in capability, with clock speed and FP advantage going to 360/PS3. With double the RAM usable for games.
In no way is it actually weaker than those two systems. Wii definitely was weaker than the prior generation in certain ways.
To Far Away Times
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Said it better than I could.
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