Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)

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ShinUltramanJ said:
The Gamecube wasn't a "proper" system either. Remember the "kiddie" thing, and how it was purple, etc..etc..
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purple lunchbox. I remember all too well.
People really never grow up.
People also have too much pride to admit that they are console fanboys mainly because they can only afford one console, so they reach for reasons why their choice is the only logical one. As if anybody gives a real fuck about such things. Consoles are expensive. they are practically luxury items. not everybody will be able to enjoy all of them at once, so you have these console battles. Its silly but I think ultimately people just want to feel like they are part of the winning team.
 
I'm surprised that so many people already know, a priori, that the WiiU will be a terrible console not worth buying, that Bayonetta 2 will be the only game worth playing on it and that its online infrastructure and what-not will be disastrous.

What kind of magic ball are these people using? Is it based on what we know about the WiiU so far? Well, one thing's for sure: Nintendo is aggressively trying to dispel this negative perception, by taking action and by securing and funding games like Bayonetta 2, The Wonderful 101, Monster Hunter 3G Ultimate and most assuredly others that we don't about yet.

I can understand that people are worried because they didn't like the Wii's library.
Though I personally did find a lot of games there, especially from Japanese developers other than Nintendo, that were worth buying and playing and am somewhat curious that fans of a niche action game like Bayonetta found nothing there to enjoy.
But all signs point to Nintendo improving this situation. Why isn't this being applauded? Why do people expect a total rehash of the Wii, when so many things point to Nintendo acknowledging the criticisms of that console and wanting to fix things?
 
Speaking of Gamecube, I had to throw mine away a couple of weeks ago. :( :( :(

I don't suppose the Wii U will be able to play Gamecube games as well? :P
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
The Gamecube wasn't a "proper" system either. Remember the "kiddie" thing, and how it was purple, etc..etc..
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That's what I meant. Pretty much every Nintendo console after the SNES got shat on by the self-proclaimed "hardcore".

And they wonder why gamers have a bad rep.

Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Speaking of Gamecube, I had to throw mine away a couple of weeks ago. :( :( :(

I don't suppose the Wii U will be able to play Gamecube games as well? :P
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Sadly not.
 
Ezalc said:
Damn, I'm still dealing with two idiots on my facebook who keep calling me a delusional nintendo fanboy and spewing shit about how the Wii U will only be bought by kiddies and grandmas and how Bayo 2 needs to be on multiple consoles and a bunch of other bullshit. I'm just enjoying the tears but it amazes me how people like this still exist and use this tired old argument.

Just saw the stealing our games post. And thus a new NeoGAF meme was born.
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You argue shit like this on Facebook?
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Speaking of Gamecube, I had to throw mine away a couple of weeks ago. :( :( :(

I don't suppose the Wii U will be able to play Gamecube games as well? :P
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Not natively, no. The hardware will only support Wii and Wii U games.

You can bet your ass Nintendo will offer GC games for download at a cost though.
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Speaking of Gamecube, I had to throw mine away a couple of weeks ago. :( :( :(

I don't suppose the Wii U will be able to play Gamecube games as well? :P
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Not physical discs.

But not out of the realm of possibility now they are offering much bigger things for download, although they have been a bit quiet on the Virtual Console front. And if they only run in a dedicated Wii Mode then it might not be a big focus this time round.

We'll have to see.
 
Dascu said:
I'm surprised that so many people already know, a priori, that the WiiU will be a terrible console not worth buying, that Bayonetta 2 will be the only game worth playing on it and that its online infrastructure and what-not will be disastrous.

What kind of magic ball are these people using? Is it based on what we know about the WiiU so far? Well, one thing's for sure: Nintendo is aggressively trying to dispel this negative perception, by taking action and by securing and funding games like Bayonetta 2, The Wonderful 101, Monster Hunter 3G Ultimate and most assuredly others that we don't about yet.

I can understand that people are worried because they didn't like the Wii's library.
Though I personally did find a lot of games there, especially from Japanese developers other than Nintendo, that were worth buying and playing and am somewhat curious that fans of a niche action game like Bayonetta found nothing there to enjoy.
But all signs point to Nintendo improving this situation. Why isn't this being applauded? Why do people expect a total rehash of the Wii, when so many things point to Nintendo acknowledging the criticisms of that console and wanting to fix things?
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It does seem rather stupid. I remember a lot of people saying "just make the Wii in HD Nintendo and Ill buy one" and suddenly that isnt enough. I do think Nintendo is on the right track here, trying to get the hardcore on board as quickly as possible. The system might be a slower burn than the wii (what isnt?) but it will pay off with a happier core fanbase who will likely buy more games per console. Nintendo can still court casuals with its own software but getting all these big hardcore titles on board early is crucial. They are making a lot of good decisions this time.
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Speaking of Gamecube, I had to throw mine away a couple of weeks ago. :( :( :(

I don't suppose the Wii U will be able to play Gamecube games as well? :P
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Unfortunately it's been confirmed that WiiU isn't backwards compatible with GC games. If I were you, I would get a cheap Wii post-WiiU launch. I remember seeing GAME selling preowned Wiis with Rayman Origins for £52.99 (about $85), so they should be really cheap in 12 months time.
 
This reminds of the salt I felt when Soul Calibur 3 wasn't on the Gamecube. I was certain the cube was getting the next game due to how well it sold. But you best believe I went out and bought a PS2 because I wanted to own the game. Same with SC4 and VF5 I had to pony up cash for a HD console if I wanted to play these game.

If you aren't capable of doing this, let me just say I do understand your salt. But Bayonetta 2 has a new home, and if you want in you know what you have to do to play.
 
disco said:
I had a friend like this; I won him over with logic. He won't ever buy a Wii U but he's silenced for the time being.
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Not a friend of mine that I'm arguing with, more a friend of a friend. But they are so bitter that logic can't get through to them. So I just revel in their saltyness.


Conor 419 said:
You argue shit like this on Facebook?
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Sure, it's hilarious for the most part. One of my best friends loves Bayo, so the moment it was announced I gave him the update. Later one of his friends comments on it and starts the argument though he was more civil than the case with another friend of mine. I just laugh at all the tears, I should probably post some images of the entire thing.
 
Gotta say that this news took me very much by surprise. Loved Bayonetta, definitely one of the best games this generation.

I think Nintendo securing this shows some great intent: third party, 'hardcore' and adult themed (you know what I mean) - addressing many criticisms that get thrown at them.

For the life of me, I can't imagine what a WiiU pad can bring to a game with Bayonetta's play style in any meaningful way. But Platinum games have my confidence. They, like Treasure, seem to have an ability to pull something out of the bag that makes a difference.

As for betrayltons - I think people overreact. And, for the most part, enjoy making the most of laughing at someone else's misplaced sense of loyalty. The reaction to the reaction always eclipses the betralyton. I just see it as another side of platform wars, nobody comes out looking especially good as a result. The reactions all over are very childish.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I would like to see a list of titles that were published/funded by Nintendo that later ended up on other platforms in some form. Has this happened?
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Doesn't work the other way around.

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I think in many cases people's aggressive reactions don't come out of a hatred of Nintendo in particular, but a general satisfaction with the status quo that they don't want to see uprooted or changed in any particular way.

That's why we also see such violent reactions to social gaming a la Farmville, or the success of iOS; I don't mean everyone has to like those games and platforms, but people go well beyond this and aggressively attack their existence as if they were a threat or an affront.

So instead of thinking of this as an I-hate-Nintendo thing in particular, I think it's best viewed as a group of people who are very satisfied with the status quo -- where almost all the games they want and have followed are on two specific platforms -- and view the rise of other platforms (be that Facebook, iOS, Wii U, or anything else) as a threat to this simple, convenient order.
 
Opiate said:
I think in many cases people's aggressive reactions don't come out of a hatred of Nintendo in particular, but a general satisfaction with the status quo that they don't want to see uprooted or changed in any particular way.

That's why we also see such violent reactions to social gaming a la Farmville, or the success of iOS; I don't mean everyone has to like those games and platforms, but people go well beyond this and aggressively attack their existence as if they were a threat or an affront.

So instead of thinking of this as an I-hate-Nintendo thing in particular, I think it's best viewed as a group of people who are very satisfied with the status quo -- where almost all the games they want and have followed are on two specific platforms -- and view the rise of other platforms (be that Facebook, iOS, Wii U, or anything else) as a threat to this simple, convenient order.
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They should be a bit more...adaptable.
 
Opiate said:
I think in many cases people's aggressive reactions don't come out of a hatred of Nintendo in particular, but a general satisfaction with the status quo that they don't want to see uprooted or changed in any particular way.

That's why we also see such violent reactions to social gaming a la Farmville, or the success of iOS; I don't mean everyone has to like those games and platforms, but people go well beyond this and aggressively attack their existence as if they were a threat or an affront.

So instead of thinking of this as an I-hate-Nintendo thing in particular, I think it's best viewed as a group of people who are very satisfied with the status quo -- where almost all the games they want and have followed are on two specific platforms -- and view the rise of other platforms (be that Facebook, iOS, Wii U, or anything else) as a threat to this simple, convenient order.
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So can you call the guys who like the status quo 'entitled' for pissing and moaning about this?
 
demidar said:
So can you call the guys who like the status quo 'entitled' for pissing and moaning about this?
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Indeed. The game was dead, so no status Quo was even altered. The status Quo was the game wouldn't exist. Now it exists but you weren't going to play it on your system regardless. At least now the choice exists. That doesn't seem like a reason to be angry.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I would like to see a list of titles that were published/funded by Nintendo that later ended up on other platforms in some form. Has this happened?
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Published, sure. Funded? Nothing immediately comes to mind.

The most analogous scenario to this is what Nintendo did with Fatal Frame. Technically Tecmo-Koei still owns the IP, but Nintendo funds games and retains exclusive publishing rights to every game that they do.
 
Opiate said:
I think in many cases people's aggressive reactions don't come out of a hatred of Nintendo in particular, but a general satisfaction with the status quo that they don't want to see uprooted or changed in any particular way.

That's why we also see such violent reactions to social gaming a la Farmville, or the success of iOS; I don't mean everyone has to like those games and platforms, but people go well beyond this and aggressively attack their existence as if they were a threat or an affront.

So instead of thinking of this as an I-hate-Nintendo thing in particular, I think it's best viewed as a group of people who are very satisfied with the status quo -- where almost all the games they want and have followed are on two specific platforms -- and view the rise of other platforms (be that Facebook, iOS, Wii U, or anything else) as a threat to this simple, convenient order.
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This is true, some gamers are very conservative. One example would be the controller changes ala banana shock or even that thread where many became upset at the mere suggestion of changes to the PS3 controller going to PS4.
 
Principate said:
Indeed. The game was dead, so no status Quo was even altered. The status Quo was the game wouldn't exist. Now it exists but you weren't going to play it on your system regardless. At least now the choice exists. That doesn't seem like a reason to be angry.
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I have the same stance, they'd rather Bayonetta be 6ft in the ground then be on another console. Seriously what the fuck, that doesn't make any goddamn sense.
 
I'm hoping Bayonetta 2 does well enough that Sega or Nintendo publishes a port of the first game. I only have ps3 and I've heard ghosts terrible that port was.
 
Opiate said:
I think in many cases people's aggressive reactions don't come out of a hatred of Nintendo in particular, but a general satisfaction with the status quo that they don't want to see uprooted or changed in any particular way.

That's why we also see such violent reactions to social gaming a la Farmville, or the success of iOS; I don't mean everyone has to like those games and platforms, but people go well beyond this and aggressively attack their existence as if they were a threat or an affront.

So instead of thinking of this as an I-hate-Nintendo thing in particular, I think it's best viewed as a group of people who are very satisfied with the status quo -- where almost all the games they want and have followed are on two specific platforms -- and the rise of other platforms, be that the DS, the Wii U, the iPhone, or anything else -- is a threat to this simple, convenient order.
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The anti-change sentiment is a part of it. People sometimes don't like their hobby "threatened."

That said, a lot of it is anti-Nintendo and is really no surprise considering how little NoA has done to challenge the perception of Nintendo in North America. Even though the kiddy or behind-the-times (cartridges) perceptions existed, the Gamecube really took things to another level because it missed out on key titles like GTA that really blew the dudebro mindshare away from Nintendo (and there was no GoldenEye-level hit to defuse the criticism at the time).

Then with the Wii, Nintendo kind of started to recover their reputation, but really looked out of touch with what the West wanted in terms of games once the mini-games took over and no "adult"-type games were given prominence in marketing. They blew it, and although Reggie and Iwata have talked about the importance of 3rd parties since back in the GCN days, they haven't followed through with that so far (at least, compared to Sony and Microsoft).

Truth be told, I'm a little taken aback by the level of interest and reaction this has gotten because I didn't even think Bayonetta was a major property. More surprising is just how negative the reactions have been regarding the Nintendo connection. I knew Nintendo has blown it with the "hardcore mainstream" culture the last couple of generations, but I guess I figured their historical fanbase + solid repuation in general was big enough for that not to matter too much.

Normally, I dismiss these situations as "oh it is just dudebros and the lame games media hating on Nintendo as always." Instead, this has kind of opened my eyes as to how badly Nintendo's reputation has been damaged by living with their head in the sand regarding their reputation with "core" audiences.

I hope they are willing to spend the resources necessary to repair that reputation this gen.
 
Erethian said:
Published, sure. Funded? Nothing immediately comes to mind.

The most analogous scenario to this is what Nintendo did with Fatal Frame. Technically Tecmo-Koei still owns the IP, but Nintendo funds games and retains exclusive publishing rights to every game that they do.
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Didn't Nintendo like half buy this IP or something?
 
alfredofroylan said:
I was thinking about Conker's Bad Fur Day but that one was developed and publise by Rare itself. (in Europe it was published by THQ)
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They were allowed to remake Bad Fur Day on the Xbox because it was an entirely new build (HD graphics, online play). The reason why you don't see any original N64 titles on the XBLA is because Nintendo published them all. They have to do HD ports to put them on (think Banjo Ka/Tooie, Perfect Dark)
 
Ezalc said:
Didn't Nintendo like half buy this IP or something?
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no,sega still has the rights on the franchise,but it's not putting any money on this project.
they're calling themselves "advisors" of the project,but nintendo is founding it and publishing it,and platinum is developing.

so bayo 2 will stay forever on wii u (or maybe other nintendo consoles),but a possible "bayo 3" is free for all,sega just need to found the project.
 
Let's not pretend this tension doesn't brook both ways. While some people have been unreasonably aggressive, others (who may be more amenable to Nintendo) clearly smell blood in the water and have deliberately provoked confrontation, knowing what the outcome would be (read: lots of bans).

That isn't directed at anyone in particular, and it is hasn't been so straightforward and obvious that I can ban for it (or I would have), but it's a clear undercurrent of the thread. There are some people who are relishing this coup by Nintendo and who are goading others in to bad behavior.
 
I would just buy another Gamecube. I was considering ebaying mine and noticed that they're not even selling at $15 w/free shipping!
 
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