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[Clevinger]

Never understood why people talk about Intrade so much. Doesn't really provide anything that you couldn't get a general sense of if you pay enough attention to the news.

Especially after how bad they did with the Obamacare supreme court ruling.

dat drop

 

[Bowdz]

What boggles my mind is the fact that not only has Romney still not addressed the "more than 2 years of tax returns" charge by the Obama campaign, but he still hasn't released his 2011 tax returns. With seven weeks left in the week and with the current cycle dedicating roughly a week per talking point/narrative, this issue surrounding Romney will take up roughly a week to two weeks ever closer to the election. The whole issue works against Romney and plays into Obama's message (especially for those in the rustbelt and Florida). This 47% comment will just make the eventual tax discussion even more painful for the Romney campaign.

 

[pigeon]

This is how most people who would vote for Romney feel about Obama supporters anyway, and I'm not so sure this will have a huge effect on the undecided.

I mean, it's certainly not good... But I think those who are prophesying doom are off base here.

I don't actually think this is true. Despite all evidence to the contrary, not everybody in that 42% of likely voters who support Romney is a huge dick. Every week there's a new post in PoliGAF from somebody whose aunt or father or cousin just called them to tell them they can't in good conscience vote for this Republican party. So every little moment like this helps to build the demographics for the next twenty years.

 

[TheNatural]

I do think there is some irony about the way Mr Duffy words things that people with money and success did it on their own and everyone is equal under the blue skies and has the same privileged so, omg, don't take away from the people with money by taxing them anymore.

As if the wealth you've compiled, you have a right to - based on the circumstances provided to you throughout your life. That doesn't mean hard work didn't go into it, opportunity is defined as preparation meets chance. Some people don't get that chance, or even get the chance to be prepared based on their circumstances the day they're even conceived.

I'm sure the typical answer will be "them's the breaks" as if no one has the "right" to be born into a good family, or with good genes, or meet that one person or have that one circumstance that propels them into success. That's fine.

But lets also not pretend that the "1%" have any morseso rights in this dog eat dog world to keep the cash they are hoarding, especially when they are the HUGE minority.

Something about "you're not entitled to eat, but I'm entitled to keep my money" is always hilarious. This is LIFE. You're not entitled to a God damned fucking thing, and anyone WITH large amounts of money should be thanking their lucky stars that they live in a society of mostly order and a strict adherence of value society places on the almighty dollar. These people are lucky that 99.9% of the rest of the world hasn't banded together to put them on a fucking firing squad for hoarding resources.

The rich are no more or less entitled to not be taxed or hardship, or to even have someone come up to a rich successful guy and put a bullet in his brain just because, than the kid in Africa who lives to be 4 and dies from hunger from day one. You're born, you live, you die, and your entire standing in this world is created by what the other trillion people on the marble place value on, and if they want to a bigger cut of what everyone places value on to be distributed more, then boo fucking hoo. Deal with it.

 

[Basileus777]

Especially after how bad they did with the Obamacare supreme court ruling.

dat drop

I'm not sure why anyone would expect Intrade to know anything about how John Roberts would rule in a court case. A general election is a bit of a different issue here.

 

[The Librarian]

Especially after how bad they did with the Obamacare supreme court ruling.

dat drop

When did it show up? I don't remember Intrade during the 2008 election. Or am I terrible at remembering things?

 

[Forever]

Man I keep watching his press conference. The stammering is crazy. He is so rattled.

 

[ari]

Who is mother jones? Some liberal group? Isn't this some watergate type shit?

 

[Cloudy]

I'm not sure why anyone would expect Intrade to know anything about how John Roberts would rule in a court case. A general election is a bit of a different issue here.

Yeah, it also failed on the Pujols move. I've never seen it wrong about something that can be polled though..

When did it show up? I don't remember Intrade during the 2008 election. Or am I terrible at remembering things?

It was very accurate during the last 2 elections (I started following in 2004)

 

[ISOM]

Man I keep watching his press conference. The stammering is crazy. He is so rattled.

The press conference was the worst thing he could of done lol. He should of did like someone else in this thread said and waited till the next morning and explained himself on fox or some right wing network. It's hilarious watching this train wreck..

 

[King Of Fuh]

Never understood why people talk about Intrade so much. Doesn't really provide anything that you couldn't get a general sense of if you pay enough attention to the news.

Holy crap I had no idea this existed. It's just a bookie service. Damn.

 

[edible_candle]

Meanwhile at Team Romney HQ

Why is this the funniest video I have ever watched?! Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Devolution]

I hope every other day we get a new Romney gaffe/leak till the election. I'm sure there's enough. The guy cannot feign humanity and just spouts off sociopathic talking points to anyone who will listen.

 

[ISOM]

Who is mother jones? Some liberal group? Isn't this some watergate type shit?

No the same thing happened to obama in 08 when he was running for president, he was secretly taped saying that conservatives stick to their guns and religions instead of economic facts. Republicans still use it to this day.

 

[Devolution]

No the same thing happened to obama in 08 when he was running for president, he was secretly taped saying that conservatives stick to their guns and religions instead of economic facts. Republicans still use it to this day.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I don't really see the fact statement. Just that in rough economic times people tend to bog themselves down in their own culture and faction off. It's mostly a broad historical statement.

 

[Forever]

No the same thing happened to obama in 08 when he was running for president, he was secretly taped saying that conservatives stick to their guns and religions instead of economic facts. Republicans still use it to this day.

It was during the primary and not about conservatives. Full quote:

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

How divisive.

 

[NullPointer]

I don't really see the fact statement. Just that in rough economic times people tend to bog themselves down in their own culture and faction off. It's mostly a broad historical statement.

And Obama didn't then turn around and say his job wasn't about worrying about them. Quite the opposite. He was trying to empathize, not denigrate.

 

[Trurl]

No the same thing happened to obama in 08 when he was running for president, he was secretly taped saying that conservatives stick to their guns and religions instead of economic facts. Republicans still use it to this day.

That's a bit different. In some ways the Obama tape had potential to be worse as "god, guns and gays" is snappy and makes for a highly memorable sound bite. Maybe there is a similar sound bite waiting in the Romney video, but as far as I can tell there is nothing as effective. In the sense that actually matters, however, the Romney video is far worse as it reveals him to be a privileged asshole while the Obama clip was merely condescending while having good intentions.

To be honest, I think that Obama's observation was mostly correct.

 

[ISOM]

That's a bit different. In some ways the Obama tape had potential to be worse as "god, guns and gays" is snappy and makes for a highly memorable sound bite. Maybe there is a similar sound bite waiting in the Romney video, but as far as I can tell there is nothing as effective. In the sense that actually matters, however, the Romney video is far worse as it reveals him to be a privileged asshole while the Obama clip was merely condescending while having good intentions.

To be honest, I think that Obama's observation was mostly correct.

Oh I agree with obama myself and don't see anything wrong with what he said. I'm just pointing out that republicans use it against him still.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

No the same thing happened to obama in 08 when he was running for president, he was secretly taped saying that conservatives stick to their guns and religions instead of economic facts. Republicans still use it to this day.

That clip of Obama talking about small towns in the Midwest was actually one of the most genuine and thoughtful expressions of solidarity with a community that I've ever heard. The fact that republicans have COMPLETELY distorted what he was saying is ridiculous.

There isn't a hint of narcissism or condescension in his voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[ronito]

Here is the context that really matters. You're not successful because of your hard work or your smarts, you were just lucky, and those who aren't as successful just haven't been lucky. You didn't work harder, you weren't smarter, you didn't make less mistakes, nope -- dumb luck. Obama isn't the first person to say something like this, and there have been a lot of people who have said it a lot more bluntly. In fact, I predict some will upon reading this response. I find it deplorable to try and undercut people's achievements, or give credit to other people for that success. We all have access to the roads, bridges, legal system, police; a successful business owner making better use of those services is like them making better use of clean air, or daylight. "You didn't get there on your own -- the sun provided light for you to work." It provided light for everyone to make use of, ass.

I find it funny that you chose to find it deplorable to note that successful people got successful not because they worked so hard but because they were lucky. Yet you don't find it deplorable for people point out that many mid level managers work just as hard if not harder than the business owner.

America is full of people that work hella hard and get nowhere for it, ass.

 

[EnderWiggles]

Meanwhile at Team Romney HQ

my take ;p

Fixed.

 

[polyh3dron]

And Obama didn't then turn around and say his job wasn't about worrying about them. Quite the opposite. He was trying to empathize, not denigrate.

boom.

 

[Cloudy]

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/real-romney-is-a-sneering-plutocrat.html

Some pundits have likened Romney’s comments to Barack Obama’s 2008 monologue, also secretly recorded at a fundraiser, about his difficulties with white working class voters in rural Pennsylvania. But the spirit of Obama’s remarks was precisely the opposite of Romney’s. While Obama couched his beliefs in condescending sociological analysis about how poor small town residents vote on the basis of guns and religion rather than economics, the thrust of Obama’s argument was that he believed his policies would help them, and to urge his supporters to make common cause with them:

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

 

[adamsappel]

Elegant version:

Forsooth, good sirs! I say that full forty-seven percent of our countrymen are liars, beggars, and thieves. Victims they call themselves, and all the while shall they take our food, our homes, even the doctors and leeches they shall take from us, for they demand much and give little; yea, even unto relinquishing less tax monies into the treasury than I myself! And these are the men my opponent calls on as his allies. Verily, these men shall cast ballots for him and cast stones at me!

I tell you now, sirs, that such men as these shall never hear reason. It is not your duty, nor is it mine, to worry overmuch on such men. They shall reap what they have sown, and the world shall be better for it.

This was very clever.


There might be some Republicans who are turned off by this, but also many people believe they are paying income tax when it's really Social Security taxes they're seeing taken out (plus other taxes, I'm sure; it's been a long time since I actually saw a paycheck*). Even when they get returns for deductions that aren't reflected on their paycheck, they feel it's only because they overpaid their taxes. They won't think Mitt Romney was talking about them.

* Stay-at-home dad.

 

[thezerofire]

Meanwhile at Team Romney HQ

oh my god I'm fucking crying here

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

I never saw how any of that was condescending. Especially when you listen to the audio. He isn't snickering, the audience isnt laughing.

 

[Baconsammy]

I never saw how any of that was condescending. Especially when you listen to the audio. He isn't snickering, the audience isnt laughing.

You haven't heard the part yet where he talks about having a better chance to win if he were hispanic. The part they've released so far is bad though. You don't tell 47 percent of the electorate that they're losers you don't care about. Obama in 2008 did the exact opposite. He embraced the people he knew wouldnt and didnt vote for him. Romney screwed himself hard. Of course they're not laughing. It's not a joke to them. They believe the bullshit they're saying.

 

[Angry Fork]

Man I keep watching his press conference. The stammering is crazy. He is so rattled.

He's always like that, watch every interview where they ask him a question that isn't a softball and he looks scared shitless. This is just another one of those moments and it's out on center stage.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Damn, I have never heard the audio of that Obama clip ( have just read transcripts).

GOP have twisted it so much more than I thought. He sounds sympathetic of the tough situation and pointing out some points of what people do in the hard times and how he understands.

 

[Timedog]

People on Intrade are literally dumping their shares in Mitt Romney after that presser.

I...I don't undestand. People are trading stock in presidential nominees??

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

You haven't heard the part yet where he talks about having a better chance to win if he were hispanic. The part they've released so far is bad though. You don't tell 47 percent of the electorate that they're losers you don't care about. Obama in 2008 did the exact opposite. He embraced the people he knew wouldnt and didnt vote for him. Romney screwed himself hard. Of course they're not laughing. It's not a joke to them. They believe the bullshit they're saying.

I was talking about Obama's fundraiser.

 

[Cloudy]

I...I don't undestand. People are trading stock in presidential nominees??

It's a futures market. Folks trade based on what they think will happen. The idea is that, unlike polls, people will be totally honest with their money

 

[Slime]

So, any word on Twitter or anything if Mother Jones is still releasing something at 3am? Refreshing their website and YouTube right now, but I should probably go back to sleep.

Damn you, election season intrigue!

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Damn, I have never heard the audio of that Obama clip ( have just read transcripts).

GOP have twisted it so much more than I thought. He sounds sympathetic of the tough situation and pointing out some points of what people do in the hard times and how he understands.

That's exactly what happened, and I hate that he doesn't get angrier about it. I couldn't stand someone twisting everything I say.

 

[Forever]

It's 3am EST, where are teh moar leeks?

edit: Oh, PST. Boooo.

 

[jiggle]

6am est not 3am

 

[Angry Fork]

I was talking about Obama's fundraiser.

Saw this comment on the youtube video of the clip

It's the inevitable result of socialism, whereby a few elitist fuckwads actually think they are better suited to control the lives of everyone else. They pretend to be humanitarians, but it's nothing more than a power trip, to feed their egos, and their wallets.

Obama is just another Stalinist -- who's never had a real job in his life. The perfect Manchurian candidate, whose entire "record" is completely fake.

lol

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

They have more?! Lol. Remember when the Breitbart guys said the Derrick bell stuff was going to destroy Obama?

 

[ffdgh]

...To be honest I didn't think it could get any worse. Will check back at 7 to see the rest lol.

 

[Slime]

6am est not 3am

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/247910361519513601

He said 3am EST. Did someone else say PST?

 

[StopMakingSense]

It's 3am EST, where are teh moar leeks?

edit: Oh, PST. Boooo.

Ah, Mother Jones writer originally posted the wrong time for the dump. 3 more hours kids!

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/247910361519513601

He said 3am EST. Did someone else say PST?

He was mistaken, its in 3 hours.

 

[Puddles]

I do think there is some irony about the way Mr Duffy words things that people with money and success did it on their own and everyone is equal under the blue skies and has the same privileged so, omg, don't take away from the people with money by taxing them anymore.

As if the wealth you've compiled, you have a right to - based on the circumstances provided to you throughout your life. That doesn't mean hard work didn't go into it, opportunity is defined as preparation meets chance. Some people don't get that chance, or even get the chance to be prepared based on their circumstances the day they're even conceived.

I'm sure the typical answer will be "them's the breaks" as if no one has the "right" to be born into a good family, or with good genes, or meet that one person or have that one circumstance that propels them into success. That's fine.

But lets also not pretend that the "1%" have any morseso rights in this dog eat dog world to keep the cash they are hoarding, especially when they are the HUGE minority.

Something about "you're not entitled to eat, but I'm entitled to keep my money" is always hilarious. This is LIFE. You're not entitled to a God damned fucking thing, and anyone WITH large amounts of money should be thanking their lucky stars that they live in a society of mostly order and a strict adherence of value society places on the almighty dollar. These people are lucky that 99.9% of the rest of the world hasn't banded together to put them on a fucking firing squad for hoarding resources.

The rich are no more or less entitled to not be taxed or hardship, or to even have someone come up to a rich successful guy and put a bullet in his brain just because, than the kid in Africa who lives to be 4 and dies from hunger from day one. You're born, you live, you die, and your entire standing in this world is created by what the other trillion people on the marble place value on, and if they want to a bigger cut of what everyone places value on to be distributed more, then boo fucking hoo. Deal with it.

Quoted for motherfucking truth. I've been making this point in more or less the same manner for years, but you really blew it away with the way you worded it here. The part I bolded, in particular, is absolutely brilliant. I might steal some of your wording in my own arguments later.

 

[Slime]

^Oops, yeah, he even retweeted this:

https://twitter.com/DireWolf11/status/247913125872033792

D'oh!

Back to sleep.

 

[watershed]

This is a perfect deer in the headlights look:

 

[DarkFlow]

Do we have to explain this to you like income tax brackets?

Lol is duffyside the guy who said his friend took a pay cut so he could make more by staying out of the 250k tax bracket?

 

[Puddles]

Duffyside's posts hurt my brain. He's like Kosmo, but without the scientific background or the humor.

Lol is duffyside the guy who said his friend took a pay cut so he could make more by staying out of the 250k tax bracket?

Alphanoid is the guy who is most notorious for that. Not sure if Duffyside said the same thing.

 

[Devolution]

Lol is duffyside the guy who said his friend took a pay cut so he could make more by staying out of the 250k tax bracket?

Nah that's AlphaNoid.

 

[soundscream]

Which part was ignorant, the 47% estimation or that a group of people are dependant on the government and will never vote Republican regardless?

The 47% are not all Democrats. If the Republican party was only made up of people who pay taxes they would never win an election.

 

[Macam]

Who is mother jones? Some liberal group? Isn't this some watergate type shit?

For the record, Mother Jones over at Wikipedia and MJ's website.

It's a longstanding, progressive/muckraking magazine run by a nonprofit group that's been around for over three decades now. It's liberal insofar that it's certainly steeped in progressive politics, but that's not to say it turns a blind eye to being critical of Democrats or anything. They frequently have great in-depth pieces on often overlooked issues, and, of late, they've been one of the voices leading the charge on 'dark money' or trying to track down massive amounts of money from undisclosed donors, particularly after the Citizens United decision. Personally, I love the publication and it's one of two magazines I subscribe to, but I love actual, muckraking journalism.

This isn't Watergate. Romney is just a candidate running an extraordinarily inept campaign, not a sitting president, and a good part of the reason this footage is sucking all the air out of the room is partly because of the sheer ineptitude of the campaign (and candidate) writ large. It plays into a larger narrative certainly, but people shouldn't be surprised when a candidate that runs for president and does little more than offer general platitudes and stonewalls at absolutely every single turn, that the press finds itself tearing into one of the few existing pieces where the candidate seems at ease and speaking candidly...especially at this point in the election cycle.