BertramCooper
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This one is worse.
John McCain was a much better candidate than Mittens, and I'd put Ryan on the same level as Palin. He's not as stupid, but he's every bit as delusional and nutty.
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Mother Jones: "Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters"
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This one is worse.
John McCain was a much better candidate than Mittens, and I'd put Ryan on the same level as Palin. He's not as stupid, but he's every bit as delusional and nutty.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Palin alone makes it the worst.
teruterubozu
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Massachusetts loves elite Kennedy-styled types that blowdry their hair - like Scott Brown, John Kerry, Romney.
Interesting Yahoo poll, 48% said they are now more likely to vote for him. About 25% each for negligible effect and less likely to vote. Obviously far from scientific, but hopefully this doesn't somehow end up helping. Obama had a horrible fuckup like this four years ago and don't think it hurt him.
The Technomancer
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Before this Palin was the worst. This comment...I dunno.
jamesinclair
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He had a better etch a sketch back then. Back then, he was for things like gun control and abortion.
Good news, the government can't put her in jail for not paying that fine. The most they can do is write a strongly worded letter... Or I think take it out of returns.
BertramCooper
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Palin would have had almost zero power in a McCain administration (provided McCain didn't end up dying in office).
Paul Ryan would almost certainly wield a great deal of power in a Romney administration.
teruterubozu
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Looks like Romney is going to triple down on Fox this afternoon...
I wonder if this is actually a turning point. I can't see his support dwindling nationally below 45, but we'll see. It's not quite close enough to the election.
Some states are already participating in early voting (most notably Virginia and North Carolina). Clock started ticking almost a week after the DNC. The more time he spends talking over these issues the more votes are cast in the mail and thus the harder it will be for him to make up any ground.
A Human Becoming
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During the early 90s he tried to convince people he was a Republican who had some Democrate policies. It didn't work out so well: lost to Ted Kennedy handily in the 1994 election for Mass Senate.
Romney has been the type of politician to change his position, even on the same day, to win over voters for decades. I don't see him as a man with principles.
The Lamonster
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Maybe this is Romney's "the fundamentals of our economy are strong."
(McCain, Sept. 2008 and the day he lost the election IMO)
Hari Seldon
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Yeah I mean McCain himself, maybe 10 years younger, would have made a pretty good GOP presidential candidate with a reasonable running mate. But up against Obama after the terrible GWB years, he didn't stand a chance, Palin or not.
NullPointer
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Let's not act like the McCain of 08 was anything like the McCain of 10 years ago politics wise. He threw away his maverick title, and unlike some predicted, has continued to be a stooge since losing.
LiveFromKyoto
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This doesn't really make sense to me, aside from the fact that they'll high five him for knocking liberals. He basically just insulted Obama supporters, what's going on Fox going to do to change the perception of that?
I keep seeing this interpreted as "Romney insults middle class" but I don't see him do that anywhere in the video. I just see the usual right wing red meat of "the left are dirty hippie commie poors, not like us rugged individual successful responsible conservatives."
Not really sure how it directly impacts his chances in the broader sense except to maybe make him look kinda meaner in the every-single-republican-is-like-this kind of way. In fact this was the first time I started to believe he genuinely was a Republican in the modern sense, and not just some guy who grew up in the party.
speculawyer
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Apparently the same way he is trying to win this one . . . . he lies to the public.
Hari Seldon
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Maybe so, but even McCain of 08 is light years ahead of fucking Mittens.
Thunder Monkey
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Bertram I think I'm falling for you with these posts.
We toss around nearly $16 trillion dollars in this economy every year. It's insane that any of our 310 million people go hungry with that kind of wealth floating around.
Dude Abides
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It's kind of funny how the "productive class v. moochers" rhetoric is like a funhouse version of Soviet propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyxYdj9dGcI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyxYdj9dGcI
Phoenician_Viking
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Mitt Romney´s campaign has been like an Igloo in the desert. Every time the sun shines and he opens his mouth, the igloo starts melting. His campaign is a melting pot for disastrous political campaigning.
I imagine that every single person working for this campaign will leave this experience off of their resume.
BertramCooper
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The food thing really gets to me, having grown up on a farm.
If you can't afford food, I absolutely support the government helping you get a decent meal.
Food is not a privilege. Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.
Henchmen21
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I was only 16 at the time but from what I remember, Bob Dole was a non-entity.
AstroNut325
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And here we go. Dot gif.
From the look of this... Alaska is already cut off!
It doesn't even have to go to morality arguments study after study has shown that food stamps are the consistently the surest form of stimulus one study even said that for every $1 spent in food stamps the economy gets up to $1.20 in benefit. That's a fools deal not to take you help the economy and help the hungry
Yeah this should be pretty common sense in the 21st century. Maybe if your name is John Smith, and you're trying to motivate a group of colonists to farm, the opposite sentiment could be expressed, but certainly not in a country where structural unemployment is built into the economic system and where we've largely eliminated food scarcity within our own borders.
ErasureAcer
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North Carolina or South Carolina looks to be the first one to be cut.
sparky2112
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This was good stuff. Sullivan totally dismantles the 'Mitt was just talking about the 47% in terms of the election itself' lie. The 'fuck you' was golden.
LiveFromKyoto
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He's not that fucked. Most people don't change their vote over every gaffe and news tragedy. Most of them never even hear about them. What he says is true both ways - there are people who will never vote for him, and there are almost as many who will never vote for Obama. There's like a 3% difference in the popular vote - within the margin of error - and that's with Obama still coming down off his convention bounce.
Basically it comes down to like 6 swing states, and whether he can move the needle in enough of them (he probably can't). But there's still time for some crazy event to happen that hurts Obama, so all he can do is keep flailing away and pretending none of these gaffes ever happened, because they're almost always forgotten in 2 weeks anyway.
Duane Cunningham
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Yeah, Bob Dole wasn't a fuck up or anything, he was just old, and running against a popular incumbent, and it just felt from the get-go like the whole election was just a formality. And Dole getting to run felt like a end-of-career honor, like he was getting inducted into a hall of fame or something, but it seemed pretty universally understood that he had no possible chance of winning.
oh jeeze, this story is blowing up even more than I thought it would. It's EVERYWHERE. best haedline: "Mitt Romney calls 47% of americans freeloaders".
I don't see how anyone could possibly hold any ill will towards Bob Dole. He gave us the best boner medicine commercials
I don't see how anyone could possibly hold any ill will towards Bob Dole. He gave us the best boner medicine commercials
Buddha Beam
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I don't think he's fucked at all really.
24 hours from now, Rush and his festering ilk will have circled the wagons and rallied the base, thus mitigating the damage done. When all the conservative pundits and such rally around him tomorrow it'll turn into another 'He said, She Said' for the rest of the mainstream media.
Just as what happened with the embassy riots.
Romney will absolutely still be damaged by this, though. I just don't think it's going to prove catastrophic. A LOT of right wingers believe exactly what he said, damn the actual facts.
Romney's problem isn't the base (although it actually kind of is)
It's the swing voters who are going to absolutely be repelled by this
BertramCooper
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The damage will come through that coveted 10% Mitt is trying to court.
As someone who would typically consider myself part of that group (though I decided not to support Mitt ages ago), I find such callousness repulsive.
Omegasquash
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Wouldn't it be nice if every real news outlet in the US highlighted exactly where that 47% come from?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The people who are more likely to vote for him are people who were already going to vote for him.
adamsappel
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Bob Dole was at least a war hero and a well-respected senator.
Obama would have to sign a declaration stating all white babies should be killed to not get re-elected. It's over
Unfortunately for Romney, the other 53% of the country isn't just the right wing base. There's the 10% of Independents he was referring to in this video and this damn sure hurt his chances with them.
No, they change their vote over declarations of fundamental belief and policy. Which is pretty much what this was.
Interesting article. Thanks.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
In reality, there's probably nothing outside of a drunken "fuck America" rant that's going to change voters minds. We pretty much already knew this is what the GOP Elite thought anyways, and frankly, its a message that unfortunately resonates with a lot of America that doesn't like the idea of helping anyone but themselves.
Its Obama's election to lose. All he has to do is play it cool at the debates.
Its Obama's election to lose. All he has to do is play it cool at the debates.
CommonSense
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you're trying too hard, man.
Synth_floyd
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