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I still cant do backward falls worth a crap. I think im missing some part of the core concept.

Hey BJJ people, for my hard calisthenics conditioning i saw my teacher add "shrimping" to our floor routines (right next to jackknifing) can you explain what this is? The videos are kinda putting it into an escape/combat context, i kinda need a description/video of the movement itself.

Shrimping is how you escape a mount.


You place your hands on your opponents knees, and couple that with pushing out and roatiiung your body to escape. You can also shrimp out of side controlled, but alot of people use shrimp to reestablish guard, when you are being side controlled.

Shrimp from side control

Shrimp from mount
 
same as what chi-town said about shrimping, but i would add that the basics are hand placement, followed by not being flat on your back, followed by actually escaping away your hips. if you look up 'hip escape' you can see the same thing. it is basic basic jiu jitsu and is something used at every skill level. but like i said, your hands needs to be placed correctly first before you start doing the other things, particularly to recover half guard or guard from side control. if your hands arnt placed right, it makes getting to your side harder and then makes escaping your hips harder. at low levels you might be able to get away with poor hand placement, but eventually it will catch up with you and then you will say 'hip escapes dont work'.
 
Phew, nothing but falling down a lot in class today. Forward and backwards rolls, soft and hard forward break falls, backwards and sideways break falls. I think I'm starting to get the hang of it. I only hurt on part of my body. That's progress I suppose.

The first Judo class I did, I gave my self a contusion on my thigh. I learned a valuable lesson that day, do not make a fist when you are learning to break falls. :P
 
had a great bjj class yesterday. it was mixed levels so i really worked against blue/purple belts. my goal is just survival and i seem to be getting better with my base and my defense. i can't say the same with my submissions though. my subs work in the fundamental class with 16 yr old partners or 120 pound females but any time i try a sub against a grown man, it's never as effective. but i'm gonna try not to worry about that too much. as long as i'm learning something, i'm satisfied and motivated. my sub game will work itself out over time and more practice.

tonight, muay thai.
 
had a great bjj class yesterday. it was mixed levels so i really worked against blue/purple belts. my goal is just survival and i seem to be getting better with my base and my defense. i can't say the same with my submissions though. my subs work in the fundamental class with 16 yr old partners or 120 pound females but any time i try a sub against a grown man, it's never as effective. but i'm gonna try not to worry about that too much. as long as i'm learning something i'm satisfied and motivated. my sub game will work itself out over time and more practice.

tonight, muay thai.

you are correct, survival should be your goal. how long have you been training? subs will come eventually, but its probably at the end of a basic progression towards developing your skillset. a 'grown man' can probably muscle out of things and your technique isnt quite there to prevent that. or just know that there are some subs which are more difficult than others against a larger opponent. if they are much bigger than you, guillotines and rear naked chokes are much easier to work for than armbars and triangles. anything that you can get stacked from takes awhile to get working right.
 
you are correct, survival should be your goal. how long have you been training? subs will come eventually, but its probably at the end of a basic progression towards developing your skillset. a 'grown man' can probably muscle out of things and your technique isnt quite there to prevent that. or just know that there are some subs which are more difficult than others against a larger opponent. if they are much bigger than you, guillotines and rear naked chokes are much easier to work for than armbars and triangles. anything that you can get stacked from takes awhile to get working right.

It might also be the style.

Coming from a Carlson school, a crushing top game is more a trademark than fighting from the back, like a lot of the Gracie Barra schools.

I honestly don't know that many subs from the back. It's all escape, get side control and kimuras from everywhere, seems like.
 
you are correct, survival should be your goal. how long have you been training? subs will come eventually, but its probably at the end of a basic progression towards developing your skillset. a 'grown man' can probably muscle out of things and your technique isnt quite there to prevent that. or just know that there are some subs which are more difficult than others against a larger opponent. if they are much bigger than you, guillotines and rear naked chokes are much easier to work for than armbars and triangles. anything that you can get stacked from takes awhile to get working right.
muay thai for a few months and just got into bjj in the beginning of this past august.

thanks for the words.
 
It might also be the style.

Coming from a Carlson school, a crushing top game is more a trademark than fighting from the back, like a lot of the Gracie Barra schools.

I honestly don't know that many subs from the back. It's all escape, get side control and kimuras from everywhere, seems like.

yeah, i'm from a gracie barra school and noticed everyone here loves to be on their back in guard.
 
yeah, i'm from a gracie barra school and noticed everyone here loves to be on their back in guard.

Yeah, that's the one thing I like about the Gracie Barra schools, is fighting from the back. But given my size, 6'1" and 230 lbs, Carlson's style suits me body much more.
 
Hmmm, I guess BJJ is still the best option.

Oh Im not sure about that. It depends on what you like and what you think you may encounter.

I studied traditional Muay Thai. Most "self-defense" situations I encounter would be some drunk taking a swing at a bar. I wanted to be able to end the fight standing up and quickly. This would work 90% of the time.

BJJ requires alot of ground work. Extremely effective against one opponent. I don't want to be on my back on the street or at a bar.

Again, just me. Not meant to be a "whats a better art" debate. Just my observations. I wish I knew some basic bjj.
 
Yeah, that's the one thing I like about the Gracie Barra schools, is fighting from the back. But given my size, 6'1" and 230 lbs, Carlson's style suits me body much more.

i notice GB pulling guard much more in tournaments- my school tries to teach to never pull guard with the mindset of 'you never want to start on your back' but if you are good enough it shouldnt really matter- especially in gi. a good top game is important and im about your size as well- 6'1'' but 210-220 - but knowing how to work off your back is important in the sense that if you DO get there, you have to be able to get away from there. obviously, if you developed only a top game and had a lacking bottom game, if you did ever wind up on the bottom you would get stuck. the typical bjj progression is survival of subs and guard recovery, sweeps from back, subs from back, guard passes, subs from top.
 
i notice GB pulling guard much more in tournaments- my school tries to teach to never pull guard with the mindset of 'you never want to start on your back' but if you are good enough it shouldnt really matter- especially in gi. a good top game is important and im about your size as well- 6'1'' but 210-220 - but knowing how to work off your back is important in the sense that if you DO get there, you have to be able to get away from there. obviously, if you developed only a top game and had a lacking bottom game, if you did ever wind up on the bottom you would get stuck. the typical bjj progression is survival of subs and guard recovery, sweeps from back, subs from back, guard passes, subs from top.

It depends on the school. Gracie Barra is such a huge network that it varies from region to region. My school is super cool with takedowns and train them pretty frequently. We do teach guard pulling as well but out of five days, we probably teach takedowns on three of them.
 
It depends on the school. Gracie Barra is such a huge network that it varies from region to region. My school is super cool with takedowns and train them pretty frequently. We do teach guard pulling as well but out of five days, we probably teach takedowns on three of them.

i rarely work takedowns - i may only approach them to shake off the rust when preparing for a tournament or something like that. its one of the few times in jiu jitsu where you can really do something to get yourself hurt. i remember when i first started, maybe my 2nd or 3rd night, after class ended some guys decided to start working no-gi takedowns and single leg shots. within 5 minutes one big guy had somehow gotten his knee twisted up and tore his ACL or something. thats when i said 'yea, i think im ok with starting on the knees!'
 
I noticed the IBJJF tournament in Chicago, there was a lot more guard jumping. I was wondering if it was a strategic move as there ended up being alot more fouls for slamming.
 
I noticed the IBJJF tournament in Chicago, there was a lot more guard jumping. I was wondering if it was a strategic move as there ended up being alot more fouls for slamming.

to me, the concept behind jumping guard is now i am on my back and in a closed guard and you dont have any points on me. the alternative is you are better at takedowns than me, so i wind up getting taken down and now you have a 2 point lead and dont need to get a pass to win. sometimes it is easier to sweep an opponent than it is to pass their guard (gi). so then you can get the sweep and lockdown on top, as opposed to getting taken down and then having the lockdown on you.

i dont see slams in takedowns very often, it would have to be a pretty weird situation for it to be called in my opinion. slams out of submissions and closed guard are much more common.
 
to me, the concept behind jumping guard is now i am on my back and in a closed guard and you dont have any points on me. the alternative is you are better at takedowns than me, so i wind up getting taken down and now you have a 2 point lead and dont need to get a pass to win. sometimes it is easier to sweep an opponent than it is to pass their guard (gi). so then you can get the sweep and lockdown on top, as opposed to getting taken down and then having the lockdown on you.

i dont see slams in takedowns very often, it would have to be a pretty weird situation for it to be called in my opinion. slams out of submissions and closed guard are much more common.

Winter IBJJF's alot of people were getting quick submissions with alot of judo throws. So jumping guard might be a reactionary thing. I got dinged for a slam, on a standing guard pass, after I pushed a knee down, I guess I went down too fast, might hav ebeen because my shin wa sright in his inner thigh when we hit hte man. I dunno.
 
Falls, rolls and breakfalls, I must admit, are just as much as an eternal struggle like the actual martial arts themselves.

Even having taught seminars on the very subject, I still feel there's a long way to go yet. For the last few years I've been working on making every fall to be as soft as possible (for the style of aikido I practice we often use a hard way of falling, which is very easy to learn and the softness of the mats forgive you, but it obviously wont be as pleasant on asphalt). I have pretty good control of my falls, maybe sans my feet every once in a while, and I can for example do a soft high fall pretty close to what these guys are doing click. The problem with learning 'feather fall' is that at some point you just have to throw yourself out there in the deep and pretty much any mistake will fuck up your shoulder. The first two months after I discovered this kind of falling I had to sleep on my back or stomach as my shoulders were beaten badly... so it kinda defeats the purpose of the fall (not to get injured :p). It's still fun to learn though.

For some tips on basic forward and back rolls I recommend this video: Meeting the Mat. It's really about the basics of the rolls, and I'm sure you'll know most of the stuff he says in the video. But nevertheless it's really nice to have him clearly illustrate what works and how it works and it defintely helped me on my rolls.
 
I've considered for a long time getting into Aikido. And now living in an area that has a dojo, so to speak, I'm even closer to considering it. I think what I'm looking for is, it seems much more like a 'way' to deal with internal strife; I've read a really great book on it by Adele Westbrook called "Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere". This was years ago, but it seemed that it discussed much more than technical attributes of the art.

So GAF, does anyone have experience with this one? Is my presumption correct in that it may help me greatly mentally, physically and perhaps spiritually?
 
Yup. I've studied it for 10 years. And yes in my case it defintely strengthed me in a mentally, physically and spiritually sense. And I'm sure aikido in general can be said to strengthen those 3 areas, but it will most likely depend on where each dojo's focus lie. Also all three areas can include a lot of things that aikido might not necessarily fulfill. Some classes my heart rate wont go that high, but instead the focus was on becoming more flexible and strech out. Physical can mean a lot of things. And I also think it depends on how open you are as a person in order to get the most out of the mental and spiritual aspects.

Can you send me a link to the dojo you thinking about by any chance I may know about the style or teacher.
 
I studied aikido for about a year at Nippon-Kan in Denver, Colorado.

Physically, I didn't find, it as taxing. But the mental/spiritual aspect of it was wonderful.

It helped me be more calm.
 
Yup. I've studied it for 10 years. And yes in my case it defintely strengthed me in a mentally, physically and spiritually sense. And I'm sure aikido in general can be said to strengthen those 3 areas, but it will most likely depend on where each dojo's focus lie. Also all three areas can include a lot of things that aikido might not necessarily fulfill. Some classes my heart rate wont go that high, but instead the focus was on becoming more flexible and strech out. Physical can mean a lot of things. And I also think it depends on how open you are as a person in order to get the most out of the mental and spiritual aspects.

Can you send me a link to the dojo you thinking about by any chance I may know about the style or teacher.

http://www.buffalo-aikido.com/

I believe there is two in the area, actually, but the other one seems to be more focused on 'self-defense'. I haven't looked over the site (here) that well recently.

It's nice to read both replies though, and encouraging. I think I may look into it more seriously now, as I feel I need something to occupy my time that is more engaging/rewarding.
 
http://www.buffalo-aikido.com/

I believe there is two in the area, actually, but the other one seems to be more focused on 'self-defense'. I haven't looked over the site (here) that well recently.

It's nice to read both replies though, and encouraging. I think I may look into it more seriously now, as I feel I need something to occupy my time that is more engaging/rewarding.
The first one are teaching (or are in the lineage) of Suenaka Sensei, who's a very reknowned sensei in aikido circles. From the few videos I watched on their site it looked like they have some good training and a good atmosphere in their dojo. I find it a bit odd though that their chief instructor have a 6th dan degree after only 20 years of training...

The other dojo is a break-off from a break-off style of aikido, so I can't really say anything about that (well other than he doesn't seem that humble 'THE most effective and well rounded martial art in existence'...)

I encourage you to go out and have a free class at both dojos before writing one or the other off, it's a luxury most people don't have.
 
Nothing is worse than taking Rex Kwan Do.
 
had a great bjj class yesterday. it was mixed levels so i really worked against blue/purple belts. my goal is just survival and i seem to be getting better with my base and my defense. i can't say the same with my submissions though. my subs work in the fundamental class with 16 yr old partners or 120 pound females but any time i try a sub against a grown man, it's never as effective. but i'm gonna try not to worry about that too much. as long as i'm learning something, i'm satisfied and motivated. my sub game will work itself out over time and more practice.
This sounds dismissive and pseudo-zen, but it's not intended as such... Concentrate on positioning. Don't worry about submissions. Once you have your positions down, the submissions will present themselves to you. You reach a certain point where it clicks and you know "this guy just gave me his arm" without really thinking about it, and you just grab on and pull.

At this stage, you're probably going to learn more by getting caught than catching anyone. For example: pay attention to how the more experienced students are holding your wrists and hands when they try to armbar you. Notice what's easier for you to fight... such as when your hands & wrists are held horizontally rather than vertically. Short of some extreme versions of double-jointedness, your body works the same as their body. Honestly, the best judo and jujutsu people have minds like the Taskmaster and pick up through the actions of others, as opposed to learning things by doing them 1000 times.
 
So to the BJJ dudes here, what are you goto moves?

Me:

1) Deep Half guard sweeps
2) X-guard sweeps
3) Arm drag to single leg takedowns
4) Crucifix back mount

Submissions:

1) D'arce choke
2) Kimuras
3) Kneebars
4) Whatever is available from the crucifix position, choke or armbars.

My super fancy ninja move is the reverse omaplata which I get off of a crucifix back take attempt from the turtle
 
So to the BJJ dudes here, what are you goto moves?

Me:

1) Deep Half guard sweeps
2) X-guard sweeps
3) Arm drag to single leg takedowns
4) Crucifix back mount

Submissions:

1) D'arce choke
2) Kimuras
3) Kneebars
4) Whatever is available from the crucifix position, choke or armbars.

My super fancy ninja move is the reverse omaplata which I get off of a crucifix back take attempt from the turtle

Man, I'm more or less a raw white belt.

1. I dunno that I have any go to sweeps/takedowns right now. Drop Knee Ippon-Seon-Nage?

Subs.

1. Kimura
2. Omaplata from guard
 
Stick with the kimura. It's the most versatile technique you will ever learn in BJJ. There isn't a single instance in grappling where a kimura grip is not useful to have except for bottom side control.
 
im not sure what i would say my go to moves are... everything is usually based off what your opponent is doing and such... lately ive been trying to work de la riva stuff in my game but it is quite a bit of work and im really starting from scratch with it. the big 'game' used at my school is the double sleeve control from the back and everything that comes with that- scissor sweep, triangle set ups, arm drags... the only game that i dont have in my arsenal at all is the rubber guard stuff which people use sometimes.

a fun thing to make sure you keep active in your game is ezekiel chokes. i forget about them sometimes, but you can do them from so many positions you can get pretty creative and really catch an opponent off guard.

i notice kimuras become more and more difficult the higher skill levels you go just because people keep their elbows pinned to their side, you really have to come up with sneaky ways to pull them off. my first go-to move: i would get side control, pin the far side arm to my opponents chest or stomach (since they would pull it in to their body to keep me from getting a kimura), then i would slide north south and try to get them onto their side instead of their back and attack that same far side arm for a kimura. i could get that move all day.
 
Oh Im not sure about that. It depends on what you like and what you think you may encounter.

I studied traditional Muay Thai. Most "self-defense" situations I encounter would be some drunk taking a swing at a bar. I wanted to be able to end the fight standing up and quickly. This would work 90% of the time.

BJJ requires alot of ground work. Extremely effective against one opponent. I don't want to be on my back on the street or at a bar.

Again, just me. Not meant to be a "whats a better art" debate. Just my observations. I wish I knew some basic bjj.

I already do Krav Maga which stresses standing-game above all else so I'm covered in that regard. The BJJ appeals because the ground game we learn in Krav is limited as obviously the worst thing you can do in a self-defence situation is go to ground. Having said that, if I do go to ground I want to make sure I'm as comfortable dealing with the situation as I would be standing. Plus it seems that something like BJJ gives a few more less violent options when dealing with a situation like using chokes and limb trapping. Thanks for your input, however.

Falls, rolls and breakfalls, I must admit, are just as much as an eternal struggle like the actual martial arts themselves.

Even having taught seminars on the very subject, I still feel there's a long way to go yet. For the last few years I've been working on making every fall to be as soft as possible (for the style of aikido I practice we often use a hard way of falling, which is very easy to learn and the softness of the mats forgive you, but it obviously wont be as pleasant on asphalt). I have pretty good control of my falls, maybe sans my feet every once in a while, and I can for example do a soft high fall pretty close to what these guys are doing click. The problem with learning 'feather fall' is that at some point you just have to throw yourself out there in the deep and pretty much any mistake will fuck up your shoulder. The first two months after I discovered this kind of falling I had to sleep on my back or stomach as my shoulders were beaten badly... so it kinda defeats the purpose of the fall (not to get injured :p). It's still fun to learn though.

For some tips on basic forward and back rolls I recommend this video: Meeting the Mat. It's really about the basics of the rolls, and I'm sure you'll know most of the stuff he says in the video. But nevertheless it's really nice to have him clearly illustrate what works and how it works and it defintely helped me on my rolls.

Thanks for the video. My instructor was saying that soon he wants to make us do a roll/breakfall session on the roof where the ground is concrete and gravel so we know what it's really like. Oh boy.
 
for all the grappling guys, how do you deal with all the bruising? I get repeated bruises on my chest and up and down my arm. I really don't mind them but my GF is starting to hate seeing them on me.
 
I already do Krav Maga which stresses standing-game above all else so I'm covered in that regard. The BJJ appeals because the ground game we learn in Krav is limited as obviously the worst thing you can do in a self-defence situation is go to ground. Having said that, if I do go to ground I want to make sure I'm as comfortable dealing with the situation as I would be standing. Plus it seems that something like BJJ gives a few more less violent options when dealing with a situation like using chokes and limb trapping. Thanks for your input, however.



Thanks for the video. My instructor was saying that soon he wants to make us do a roll/breakfall session on the roof where the ground is concrete and gravel so we know what it's really like. Oh boy.

Right on man! Sounds like you are covered.

You are right though, bjj allows you to "spar full speed" without as much risk of injurty as Muay Thai or Krav full speed. This plays into the "less violent" options.
 
for all the grappling guys, how do you deal with all the bruising? I get repeated bruises on my chest and up and down my arm. I really don't mind them but my GF is starting to hate seeing them on me.

Ice. 20 minutes on/off.

There's a certain amount of bruises that you're just going to get... after all, you ruptured a subcutaneous vessel. However, you can make things worse with heat or blood thinners like NSAIDs, alcohol, or blood pressure meds.

If you want to take any meds for the pain, take acetaminophen (Tylenol, Excedrin). It won't interfere with clotting. However, if you're on worforin (a blood pressure med mentioned above) DO NOT TAKE acetaminophen. It actually ends up intensifying worforin's effects and you'll explode like a vampire on True Blood.
 
for all the grappling guys, how do you deal with all the bruising? I get repeated bruises on my chest and up and down my arm. I really don't mind them but my GF is starting to hate seeing them on me.
I used to get more bruising from people being stupid in gi, just grabbing and pinching my arms at the biceps or my chest. I still get bruises behinds my calves occasionally from triangles. If your getting bruises from people pinching in gi, tell them to stop being d-bags. Or pinch them back. Youre not trying hard if you're not cheating ,right?
 
i notice kimuras become more and more difficult the higher skill levels you go just because people keep their elbows pinned to their side, you really have to come up with sneaky ways to pull them off. my first go-to move: i would get side control, pin the far side arm to my opponents chest or stomach (since they would pull it in to their body to keep me from getting a kimura), then i would slide north south and try to get them onto their side instead of their back and attack that same far side arm for a kimura. i could get that move all day.

It's like that with all submissions though. WHat makes the kimura so great - and this also applies to the d'arce in no-gi, is that it is more of a grip than a submission and that grip leads into a billion different chains.

If a guy catches me in a single leg, the defense is to crossface and then kimura grip and set up a leg sweep counter or a sacrifice throw.

Butterfly guard? Arm drag into a kimura sweep. Half guard? Fake a loop choke, kimura sweep. Top half guard? Switch base, bait an underhook, kimura. Full guard? Arm drag into kimura. Back mount? Make him defend the RNC, switch to kimura grip. Top Z-guard? Rolling kimura into back take. Turtle? Kimura grip into the crucifix position.

Kimura's are everywhere, not just from side control. I'm looking to kimura you right now as I type this.
 
I used to get more bruising from people being stupid in gi, just grabbing and pinching my arms at the biceps or my chest. I still get bruises behinds my calves occasionally from triangles. If your getting bruises from people pinching in gi, tell them to stop being d-bags. Or pinch them back. Youre not trying hard if you're not cheating ,right?
lame, guys pinching into me doesn't even hurt or make me break a hold or grip. what I don't like is the forearm crossface, now that is a d-bag move. along with individual finger locks, etc. tournaments, sure but not practice against guys you have to see again.
 
So I generally just watch this thread, but I had a pretty awesome experience Sunday so I felt like I had to share. I train Muay Thai, but my gym also does bjj under the Master Lloyd Irvin flag. I saw that Mike Easton was giving a seminar at our gym (he's local to the DC area), so I figured it would be a pretty great opportunity even though I don't do bjj at all. Well, for some reason, it was criminally under-attended. There were only five of us there. So basically we all got to train in a personal setting with an up and coming UFC guy. Now, I don't have any designs on fighting ever, but I had an awesome time, learned a few things, and even got hemmed up by a UFC pro!

As an aside, I'm so glad I started training a martial art. It's only been about 5 months, and I find myself wishing that I had started years ago.
 
I too wish I started decades ago. now I have to deal with osteoarthritis in my knees a probably my elbows too.

Supplement your training with an hour/half hour of soft, light stuff on recovery days and you might not have to. I've got oodles of exercises that you can use for rehabilitative purposes and then adjust into flexibility/strength stuff once you get comfortable with it.

if you want some links/recommendations, holler.

You're talking to a guy who broke a back and a wrist a year and a half ago and trains 2-4 hours a day now, so im not bullshitting you.
 
Supplement your training with an hour/half hour of soft, light stuff on recovery days and you might not have to. I've got oodles of exercises that you can use for rehabilitative purposes and then adjust into flexibility/strength stuff once you get comfortable with it.

if you want some links/recommendations, holler.

You're talking to a guy who broke a back and a wrist a year and a half ago and trains 2-4 hours a day now, so im not bullshitting you.
yeah, i do tons of stretches, yoga, foam roller, etc, on both my training and my off days. once i realized i could pretty much do everything except exercises where all my weight is on a single leg it was like a revelation for me. there was no more pain; i just can't jump, play basketball, or single leg jump ropes. a far cry from having the doctor tell me i couldn't do any martial arts and i could only swim for exercise. if you could send me links or vids still i'd greatly appreciate it. I'm always down to learn new things.
 
yeah, i do tons of stretches, yoga, foam roller, etc, on both my training and my off days. once i realized i could pretty much do everything expect exercises where all my weight is on a single leg it was like a revelation for me. there was no more pain; i just can't jump, play basketball, or single leg jump ropes. a far cry from having the doctor tell me i couldn't do any martial arts and i could only swim for exercise. if you could send me links or vids still i'd greatly appreciate it. I'm always down to learn new things.

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I do these in the morning to loosen up. You can do them more vigorously, with deeper stances and more rotations, faster if you want. He's doing a geriatric version The key point is to be relaxed, keep your back straight, and make sure your balance is 100%. The knee rotations in a few of them will definitely help out.


Ha, ha, that's absolutely crazy. Interesting his backwards breakfall and hard forward breakfall is exactly the same as the ones I'm taught.

Yep. This is from a Xingyi system but a lot of the exercises are copped from other martial arts. My favorite are the frog jump pushups!
 
lame, guys pinching into me doesn't even hurt or make me break a hold or grip. what I don't like is the forearm crossface, now that is a d-bag move. along with individual finger locks, etc. tournaments, sure but not practice against guys you have to see again.

individual finger locks are illegal in jiu jitsu. you might learn them for self defense purposes, but you shouldnt ever use them on the mat at any level. the only thing you can really do is grab a persons fingers just past the knuckle all together to help break a grip. you cannot grab a single digit to try and break something, like a grip. crossface is fine and you will see that forever- turning your head obviously relieves the pressure if they are pressing down on your face or chin, and if you are on your back and they are in side control you should be trying to have a crossface on them if they are trying to be heavy on you to help maintain some distance. a crossface from your back should be more like a post- you are holding it there against their pressure on top of you, you are not using it to try to push them off of you. thats how you will wear yourself out.

the reason people pinch is because they dont know how to properly grab the gi. your fingers should be together when you are getting grips, you shouldnt have your fingers apart as if you were catching a baseball. a lot of people tape some fingers together for tournaments just to try and prevent a finger from getting caught somewhere and getting it broken.
 
thanks for the tips guys
No probz, that's a good neigong set compiled by Wang Ji Wu, a Xingyiquan master who reached the highest levels of the art and lived to 100 years of age (still teaching till the near end). The "internal" portions of the exercise are kinda hard to comprehend without a teacher or text, but just doing the exercises themselves might help you out some. If you have any questions about them feel free to PM. If you want something with a little more focus on martial applicability/molding you can also try this one too. it's my pre-practice set.


 
Had a great class last night. We focused on air-chokes from behind and side headlocks. Our instructor actually demanded we do the chokes at full force so if we didn't get out of them we would be in a lot of pain or black out. As a result my throat hurts a little today. Still I had lots of fun and for the most part managed to extricate myself from the chokes pretty easily.
 
Had a great class last night. We focused on air-chokes from behind and side headlocks. Our instructor actually demanded we do the chokes at full force so if we didn't get out of them we would be in a lot of pain or black out. As a result my throat hurts a little today. Still I had lots of fun and for the most part managed to extricate myself from the chokes pretty easily.

Air chokes suck.
 
The next time your instructor tells you to air-choke the shit out of each other, punch him in the trachea and walk away.
 
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