2012 First U.S. Presidential Debate |OT| OK Libya... We need a leader, not a reader.

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TheNatural

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He very well could. I don't know why some of you think Obama can just sit on his thumb and twirl and he'll be gifted half the country in the election. He needs to stop fucking around and hit back.

Some of those states given red Romney is like 10% or so behind. Not likely. This is pie in the sky best case crackhead scenario for Romney.
 

Brinbe

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He very well could. I don't know why some of you think Obama can just sit on his thumb and twirl and he'll be gifted half the country in the election. He needs to stop fucking around and hit back.

What? Where did I say that? You think because he narrowly lost a debate he's doing that? Come on, bro...
 
Obama shouldn't have to go into great details next debate. He should just be giving his time to Romney to explain his crap.

"I've already laid out my plans. Romney WOULD YOU BE SO KIND?"

Christ.

Yes, this. Obama doesn't need to completely go ham on Romney. But there were many opportunities where he could simple and effectively hit Romney.

Like, this exchange that happened...

Obama: *lays out how Obamacare works and what it does.*

followed up by...

Mitt: I will repeal Obamacare, and replace it with what works. I'll keep the good things, throw out the bad things. Make it good for everyone....


At the very end of that, Obama should have just shoved to following sentence in: With all do respect, we haven't heard any specifics on what you actually are gonna do and not do for healthcare.

This little sentence would completely dismantle Romneys perfectly prepared non-answer. But Obama did none of that.
 

pigeon

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He very well could. I don't know why some of you think Obama can just sit on his thumb and twirl and he'll be gifted half the country in the election. He needs to stop fucking around and hit back.

Nobody likes hitting. Aggressive attacks in politics are like removing the minimap in video games -- there are people who really support them, but they are not in any sense representative.

The biggest gain in the history of Presidential debates was a 3.6 point net swing. Flip to 538 and check what Obama loses if he loses 3.5 points evenly across every state. Spoilers: not the election.
 
I have to echo the sentiment that this debate was horribly moderated. Even ignoring the egregious lack of assertiveness on time restraints, the questions were just awful and resulted in a regurgitation of the same talking points we've been hearing for the entire campaign.

Edit: That said, I appreciate that Romney did move a bit more to the center. I honestly don't know why he didn't do this earlier. But whether it's genuine or not is anyone's guess based on Mitt's previous history with such remarks.

Let me moderate. I would hold these guys to time limits and to answer the damn questions!

Hold that shift down like megatron.
 
So timedog hasn't seen it, gotta rewatch with him, thinking of just swigging on alcohol every time:

Someone is over time.
Jim Lehrer goes "buh uh wait a min."

We'll see if I live.
 

Slayven

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He very well could. I don't know why some of you think Obama can just sit on his thumb and twirl and he'll be gifted half the country in the election. He needs to stop fucking around and hit back.

He has to remain safe, it's too issue to be the angry black man and you can't recover from that shit.
 

Godslay

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He very well could. I don't know why some of you think Obama can just sit on his thumb and twirl and he'll be gifted half the country in the election. He needs to stop fucking around and hit back.

He will. It might not happen in the debates to the degree everyone wants, but the machine behind the man will. Which is more important than the debates. Assuming Romney doesn't hit a homerun, which is unlikely due to him seemingly showing his cards tonight.
 

MasterShotgun

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So timedog hasn't seen it, gotta rewatch with him, thinking of just swigging on alcohol every time:

Someone is over time.
Jim Lehrer goes "buh uh wait a min."

We'll see if I live.

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apana

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He will. It might not happen in the debates to the degree everyone wants, but the machine behind the man will. Which is more important than the debates. Assuming Romney doesn't hit a homerun, which is unlikely due to him seemingly showing his cards tonight.

Showing what cards? This is what Romney always does, this is shameful preparation on the part of Obama. It wasn't a disaster but a major disappointment to all the people who have been out there trying to defend him.
 

IrishNinja

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You're still obsessed with me liking Rick Ross? Get the fuck over it, it's creepy

And Kerry was incredibly weak in those debates and obviously these debates are important, and you don't like to look at history and the importance of presidential debates then go ahead an ignore history and live in ignorance

creepier than your stanning? that's quite a feat man
and im simply saying if you think the debates are why kerry failed, your perception of history is pretty skewed...imagine if the right had put up newt, perry or santorum right now...that's the level of sotball the dems played in '04. im not denying debates as a matter but you're overplaying them (and your take on this tonight) to fit a narrative like a low-rent PD dude

The mayor held it down

see, this is what im talking about right here
joke of a candidate in '08 repeats the same stuff, and here here you are
 
Bush also came out very flat in the first '04 Presidential debate. I think all incumbents from the local, state, and federal level always give off the impression that would rather be somewhere else in the first debates.

This debate went as about as I expected. Romney clearly benefitted from the unusually high amount of debates in the Republican primary this year. He looked sharper, more prepared, and more comfortable out there. Obama has always been a bit of an inconsistent debater and he clearly didn't prep enough to clamp down on his awkward pauses.

That said, there were no major gaffes by either candidate. Romney clearly won the debate but there was no game changing moment. Romney will get a couple points bounce in the polls, but I don't think this drastically turns the race around for Romney in the battle ground states.
 

TheNatural

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At least they went down to the base difference there. Guiliani just flat out said "if rich people have more money, they hire more people."

Soo .. where the fuck are the jobs at? The Bush tax cuts haven't done shit with the economy. I never understand why this isn't the basic crux of Democrats when speaking. They sort of beat around the bush there.

Why is the simple question of: "well why does having more money mean anything, that doesn't mean they have any more jobs, that doesn't mean lower class people have the money to buy their products or services, and the economy is in the shitter for years WITH the Bush tax cuts. So it's proven to not work, so why do you keep saying it does?"

Seriously, just fucking say that and beat that drum every fucking debate.
 

KevinRo

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It was only one debate. Stop freaking out. There are other debates and Obama is the President. He should have expected the fervor and pace that Romney was going at. What's disgusting is the lack of professionalism in the media. It just shows that everything is a farce. Including the candidates.
 
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