Palette Swap
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Is there any must-read stuff in the comixology Green Arrow sale? Outside of his appearances in JLA, I've never followed the character.
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Memento Mori
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Actually the first thing the P5 did was cure disease, stop war, giving free energy to people etc. Afterwards they decide to have a night off and watch some DVDs and the Avengers invade Utopia again to kidnap Hope. Only at this point Cyclops decides to arrest the criminals who keep breaking into his house and trying to kidnap children.
GrandHarrier
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I realize I'm late to the party but I just got a chance to read Justice League #0 and all I can say is... GOD DAMN! Loving it! Captain Marvel needs his own title ASAP. The Wizard was great. Billy's interaction with him. Then the "antics" after he gets the powers.
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We will never know because that's not how things played out. But you seem to think he would do a 360 and turn into a despot.
What do you think he was planning on doing ?
His Year One book is pretty good apart from that i have no idea. Only other GA related book i've read is Arsenal and that's one of the worst comics i've ever had the misfortune of reading.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
If Kevin Smith's Quiver is up there, you should buy the fuck out of it. Such a good story.
He helped them in the final fight of the series.
He came to the fight and got his shit slapped like everyone else.
He punched Phoenix Emma a few times, but other than that, not much. That scene seemed to be thrown in there for the Avengers movie fans who are new to comics (all 10 of them reading this event).
BuddyJoeHooker
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Hope wanted to leave, it's not like Cyclops have parental rights over her.
"Cyclops is a Jerk"
SpiderJerusalem
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I liked Quiver. I'm probably going to get some of the Mike Grell stuff
oh yea, buying this
The Take Out Bandit
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Fuck you, TTOB.
Carlo Pagulayan has a book relaunch and deserves your hype, "Mehvel" or not.
Dude is fucking drawing hard. Hard like a diamond hard dick after two hits of amyl nitrate.
Respect the dick.
Hey knucklehead, I hyped that back when it was announced. Clearly I didn't put enough rock hard cock references in it to get your attention.
I think it's a great platform for Parker's neat sounding ideas for the book to shine, without being forever trapped in the long cast shadow of Loeb & Co. and their fantastic first 25 issues.
Also now Parker is teamed with an artist whose stuff I like to look at. Those first five-six Parker Rulk issues after 25 were just god awful. Parker wasted time apologizing to the butthurt Mehvel zombies by having everybody Rulk punked get one up on him again, and sorry man - Hardman can hit a deadline but he's no Ed McGuinness, Art Adams, or even magically improved for his Rulk run Ian Churchill (who made me afraid for the book when he was announced).
Sadly I cannot go there because I'm not buying new Marvel/DC stuff. :/
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BlueScrote
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My Barnes and Noble order arrived with American Vampire Vol 2 & 3 and Sandman vol 3. I know what I'm doing this weekend.
You don't want to know that answer.
This might sound funny, but without going through the UN or formally approaching the nations where they did those things, the P5 were committing huge international crimes. Can you imagine if the Mexican government's leaders popped up in France and started meddling in France's affairs? It's a violation of sovereignty which is, again, a sign of conquest. Fun fact: there are countries that don't want your help.
The funny thing here is I've yet to actually say that I think Scott would use Hope to become a despot. The reason I keep bringing it up is because I'm dying for you to actually stop and think what golden boy Summers was going to do with a living weapon of mass destruction. He wanted her to give him back mutants, and Cyke vs Wolverine has shown that he WANTS to rule, I mean lead, Mutantkind, and he's been hanging out with MAGNETO who has been saying that for years.
If your suggestion here is that Scott had no intention of doing ANYTHING with Hope after she'd fulfilled her destiny, I think you need to rethink that. If you had a nuclear war-head that could be detonated by teenage emotions, what would YOU do with it?
sazabirules
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I really need to get American Vampire Vol 4.
GrandHarrier
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WAKANDA NEVER FORGET.
disagree.
hanging out with magneto doesn't mean he shares the latter's beliefs. if you think he does you have been reading the wrong books
BenjaminBirdie
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I dropped in the thread expecting to see it is all.
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Gotta wait till my next payday but Bergen St has one set aside for me...
Supermanisdead
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Cyke didn't want to rule. He was forced into a ruling position. Thinking that he wanted Hope's power so he could take over shit or be evil is crazy. He wanted her to restore mutants and she did. Who knows what she would do afterwards. Jean didn't have a problem with the PF for a while before she was corrupted and Rachel had it for years and never had an issue. Who knows what Hope would do with it.
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I think he'd have used Hope as a deterrent rather than actively seeking conquest.
GrandHarrier
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Why do mutants need to be restored? Are mutants not people unless they have their powers?
The Take Out Bandit
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If you have no extraordinary abilities you're not a mutant. Which was the conceit of the human / mutant conflict as an allegory for racism.
Unless it's a character like Nightcrawler who even without his abilities would be an outcast.
You've read it then?
GrandHarrier
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That's my point. The need to be a mutant, to have powers, makes it less of a racism issue though. Why would you want to be in that situation? Sounds more like you want/need the powers as opposed to "being" a mutant. If the gene for, say, red hair was to eventually be weeded out and no longer exist, would life still go on? Would society still exist? It's lamentable that "diversity" was lost, but you don't need to be red haired to be a person.
So, Cyclops desperate quest to bring back mutants always struck me as being... wrong.
The Take Out Bandit
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I can see that, but being a cynical dick about it - let's face it, a Marvel universe without mutants popping up here and there was fucking boring.
Now let's get back to "hated and feared". :3
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You can tell it's Satchwar because the tiara is upside down, that SATCHTANIC PENTAGRAM!
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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When they dropped the number of mutants to 198 all it did was remind me of how fucking gigantic the X-Men cast has become.
Supermanisdead
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Well they aren't mutants anymore so that's one thing. It's like if every person who was black suddenly was turned white. They would still be human, but it would still be fucked. And with mutants in the MU representing various minority groups over the years, it was important that someone try to bring back mutants.
GrandHarrier
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But they didn't change like that. A better example would be if everyone who was double jointed could no longer contort themselves into unusual shapes and positions. They lost an ability. A skill. A power.
krypt0nian
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I've read enough of it (Ware's stuff) to know my options on his works. Sure.
I'm not saying he's hanging out with Magneto and that that's the reason he wants to rule. I am correctly suggesting that spending time with Magneto is bound to have an effect on him. But it's not even debatable that Scott has been working to be the leader of Mutantkind for awhile now. Even if he doesn't want to "rule" them he's sure as hell interested in "leading" them. Otherwise he would have walked away from all of this given the many opportunities he's had to do so.
Scott wants to be the leader of Mutantkind, and he's been blurring the line between himself and guys like Magneto and Doom for awhile.
This is one of the things I considered, but even then it's not right for him to do. I don't think Xavier would ever have sought to use Jean as a deterrent.
The other thing I've considered is that Scott would put Hope down. Either because she was a threat to him, or because inevitably she would lose control and have to be.
There's no real way that after all his efforts to acquire Phoenix!Hope Scott would then let her walk away with all that power. And after the events of AvX, there's no way that any country with half a brain would let her walk away.
I give the Shi'ar a lot of heck for killing Jean's entire family, but on the other hand, from a purely realist standpoint, it makes sense. The Phoenix is a weapon, and has demonstrated itself as such time and again in the DPS, Inferno, Endsong, and now AvX. Anyone who had that power would be a very dangerous enemy. It'd be like if suddenly Louxembourg developed something even more dangerous than nuclear weapons. Understandably, everyone in the world would be spooked.
Imagine the lengths Doctor Doom would go through to get his hands on that kind of a weapon.
Supermanisdead
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Nah, being a mutant is more than just an ability. Starting in Morrison's run, there was a wide mutant subculture starting around the world. Plus all the X-corporation offices and the mutant nation of Genosha that had been doing an apartheid analogy since the 80s and later became a mutant Israel under Mags. Calling mutants just humans with powers is wack. Wanda destroyed a race.
GrandHarrier
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Gonna have to disagree with you. Wanda didn't destroy anything. She took away powers. Those people still existed.
The problem with this debate is that when we begin to make analogies with real world counterpoints, it will sound like a huge disrespect to these people, you know, comparing their real problems with the funny books superpeople, that said, well... just imagine any minority magically transforming into "regular folk" and the few remaining being told that their children, even if born, would not be like them.
These people built their identities as part of this community, struggling with others and themselves to find whatever acceptance they could. They had their comic book version of civil rights movement, they were beggining to gain mainstream acceptance, they could almost feel what is like to have a normal life with normal jobs being able to express themselves without fear and then... back to the ghetto, freaks!
What is funny about this is that I think that Morrisson was a visionary and Marvel editorial got meta-racist and afraid of their own creation. Mutants were going to replace humans eventually, but it would take generations (read, in comic book time, forever and ever) and even with 2 million mutants in a world of 7 billion people they were very much a minority. But then morrisson show they opening up their own shops, having their own artists, their own pop stars, their own country, etc etc and Marvel went: "these people are too powerful! They are scary! What the hell, don't they know their place? Pull the plug!!"
It's sad, really as I think they had more of a future the way Morrisson developed them. Even now Marvel is dead scared of mutant overpopulation saying they will introduce new characters little by little. I still feel this is the wrong way to go for these characters, they really should be the vanguard of a much larger community instead of caretakers of a broken people.
Tawney Bomb
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Finished reading Punisher #16. I'll read War Zone, but I'm bummed Marvel screwed Rucka on this series. It was great, even with the fill in artists the past couple of issues. Debating if it's worth it to pick up Thunderbolts now...
Memento Mori
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When she took away powers, people died. Mutants who could fly suddenly losing that ability when they were in the air and so on.
Doublesith
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The vast majority of mutants didn't have "superpowers". Many just had physiological differences from baseline humans that didn't confer them any sort of "ability'. Yet they were feared and hated all the same.
Supermanisdead
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To add to these 2 posts below, a lot of mutants died by losing their powers. One that could breath underwater lost his powers while swimming and drowned, Magma's and her boyfriend were flying through volcanoes when the white light hit and he fell into one, and a lot who's powers let them exist simply faded away (Jeffrey Garrett at the X-School, the mutants in Tian).
Most mutants in the world didn't have powers. A lot just had stuff like different coloured skin, or horns. When Wanda said "no more mutants" a few actually kept those deformities. X-Factor dealt with that fallout a bit. The ones who kept their deformities were even more hated and feared and there was serious tension with the ones who became pure human.
It is never as simple as "she took away powers" when talking about what Wanda did.
my name is ed
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I don't really understand the love for Chris Ware. He gets hyped as one of the best (at least by my group of friends), but I can't say that I get all that excited to read his stuff. Sure it's well designed, but I can think of plenty of other creators whose stuff is much more interesting, story and art wise. He's good though.
Instead of the blue and red, he'll go black and red.
I don't think he'll get the doc ock arms, maybe they'll keep his spider-sense in overdrive like the last issue of ASM
whats going on with that pic? is that red cyke next to wolvie?
krypt0nian
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It's a powerful aesthetic, and that alone can be something to draw folks in. I'd never say he was bad, just that his output is not for me. I think we're on the same page with him. Hell, in many things I'm a sucker for sheer design. This should be right in my wheelhouse, but it's almost like it's too on the nose, or something.
BenjaminBirdie
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I think even if he couldn't draw (which, you know, bovs) he's a fantastic prose writer. Short stories, especially.
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