This, of course, assumes that he would have decided for some different reason to hold off from shooting a guy who wouldn't be able to yell or sing, unbagged him, and then allowed that mutilated version of himself to crawl off.
He was also kind of retarded, so I won't entirely dismiss that possibility.
There was that speech about not killing them but doing something worse to them, but either scenario as soon as it started his future self would have vanished from where he was. The ending just highlights a lot of the problems by making old Joe disappear like that.
They should have all just vanished from the field because most of the film never happened.
I really wanted to like this movie. I enjoyed the first half, and I could half-forgive the silliness of
affecting the future Seth
, but the movie lost me with the 1. lack of commitment to keeping the time travel semi-logical, and 2. the latter half of the movie, where
telekinesis and a child to save became the focus of the plot
.
A time-travel manhunt was what I signed up to watch, based on the trailer, and instead I got what felt like a Syfy special. If the movie had presented the time travel as other-worldly (think Frequency) I would be able to forgive its illogical time travel mechanics; but the manner in which the movie presents its science of time travel demands a logical explanation for it existence and function.
There was that speech about not killing them but doing something worse to them, but either scenario as soon as it started his future self would have vanished from where he was. The ending just highlights a lot of the problems by making old Joe disappear like that.
They should have all just vanished from the field because most of the film never happened.
This is the reason why it's important that Sid is a super-genius.
How else would he be able to create a robot- (a terminator, if you will) whose purpose was to go back in time and kill off Abe's gang, and thus preserve that time line.
As soon as this robot was no longer needed, it could be time warped into a nearby furnace.
I used to read books of sci-fi short stories, and this reminded me of something that would have been in one of them. Kind of amazing to see something like that get made into a feature film with A list actors. Easily my favorite film of 2012, and one of my favorite films in years.
The human element is what grounds the movie, and gives it verisimilitude. Not the internal consistency of the timeline. Their thoughts, feelings, and reactions seemed believable, even if the events around them do not. Which is the key element of sci-fi and fantasy that is often overlooked.
Saw this last night finally. It didn't go down how I thought it was going to go down. Came for a chase on the run type deal and was surprised by how the movie actually flowed.
I could have done without some of the
Tetsuo/TK child rage
stuff but on a whole it was a fantastic movie. The score and the cinematography was excellent. There's one shot where
Joe comes around a cornfield heading into the city and man, it was gorgeous. Also, all of the farm stuff was great.
I'm glad the movie was different from as advertised.
I actually find that I enjoy movies that way. The movie was advertised as a more simple time travel run and gun, but it ended up being more than that. I appreciate that.
I used to read books of sci-fi short stories, and this reminded me of something that would have been in one of them. Kind of amazing to see something like that get made into a feature film with A list actors. Easily my favorite film of 2012, and one of my favorite films in years.
The human element is what grounds the movie, and gives it verisimilitude. Not the internal consistency of the timeline. Their thoughts, feelings, and reactions seemed believable, even if the events around them do not. Which is the key element of sci-fi and fantasy that is often overlooked.
It would be nice to have both, and while the characters were great like Brick trying to explain the rules the film was working by bugged me throughout which pulled me out of it a bit. Then the ending just slaps you with all the problems at once which took a lot away from what that scene was meant to be about.
The film encourages you to think about it all the way through, but there is no satisfying answer because of how free and loose it plays with its concept and its own rules. It's an interesting film, and well worth seeing, but I didn't find it a very satisfying one because it tries to be too specific about how it all works while at the same time breaking it.
Actually the main feeling Looper left with me was wanting to watch Donnie Darko again, which is a much more chilled-out mindfuck and just vague enough to allow you to explain it however you want to.
The human element is what grounds the movie, and gives it verisimilitude. Not the internal consistency of the timeline. Their thoughts, feelings, and reactions seemed believable, even if the events around them do not. Which is the key element of sci-fi and fantasy that is often overlooked.
It would be nice to have both, and while the characters were great like Brick trying to explain the rules the film was working by bugged me throughout which pulled me out of it a bit. Then the ending just slaps you with all the problems at once which took a lot away from what that scene was meant to be about.
The film encourages you to think about it all the way through, but there is no satisfying answer because of how free and loose it plays with its concept and its own rules. It's an interesting film, and well worth seeing, but I didn't find it a very satisfying one because it tries to be too specific about how it all works while at the same time breaking it.
Actually the main feeling Looper left with me was wanting to watch Donnie Darko again, which is a much more chilled-out mindfuck and just vague enough to allow you to explain it however you want to.
It's really asking you to think about the decisions people make and their consequences, and how that shapes and defines them and those around them. I kind of view everything else as devices to provide framework for those decisions and give them meaning. There is some very satisfying content in the movie that doesn't really require a high level of scrutiny.
It's really asking you to think about the decisions people make and their consequences, and how that shapes and defines them and those around them. I kind of view everything else as devices to provide framework for those decisions and give them meaning. There is some very satisfying content in the movie that doesn't really require a high level of scrutiny.
Liking the way Rian's answering plot hole complaints on twitter. Someone jokingly asked him if he "liked potholes" and he's responding by saying stuff like "no, I hate stuff like this: [picture of a manhole cover]".
The time travel rules of Looper do not work under previously established time travel rule sets. But the film establishes or stops short of establishing its own rules to a degree that nothing in the film is actually contradictory within the universe of the film. That's just the way time travel works in Looper. It doesn't get in the way of the thematic underpinnings, which is all it needs to do.
This, who really want to spend the whole day drawing lines back and forth, I thought that dialogue was hilarious and right to the point, just enjoy the ride.
Decided to check this out since Taken 2 was getting such horrible reviews and this was getting great ones. So glad i did! Loved the movie. The very ending seemed kinda weird and was expecting more, but overall great flick. Great freaking flick!
Saw it, loved it. I managed to go into the film knowing only two things:
1. Jason Gordon Levitt was in it.
2. It had something to do with time travel.
I didn't even know Bruce Willis was in it, even though his name is mentioned in the thread title. Dunno how I overlooked that one, but I'm glad. He's one of my favorite actors, and I was very pleasantly surprised when he popped on screen (literally).
Aside from the typical time travel paradox shit, there were a few things that didn't make sense to me. The biggest one was (ending spoilers):
JGL killing himself to prevent Willis from killing Sid and Sara. JGL seemed pretty fucking self-centered, and had about zero stake in the lives of Sara and Sid. When did he suddenly become so self-sacrificial? When did that character development take place? I could have seen JGL killing Willis so that he could live happily ever after with Sara and Sid, but to kill himself purely for their sake? Seems totally out of character. Also, if he just wanted to stop Willis, he could have shot his gun hand off rather than killing himself. :-\
Saw it this afternoon. Loved it. It's time travel sci-fi so I feel like after watching it some people are going to dicks about the logic of fiction. Loved it though
Saw it, loved it. I managed to go into the film knowing only two things:
1. Jason Gordon Levitt was in it.
2. It had something to do with time travel.
I didn't even know Bruce Willis was in it, even though his name is mentioned in the thread title. Dunno how I overlooked that one, but I'm glad. He's one of my favorite actors, and I was very pleasantly surprised when he popped on screen (literally).
Aside from the typical time travel paradox shit, there were a few things that didn't make sense to me. The biggest one was (ending spoilers):
JGL killing himself to prevent Willis from killing Sid and Sara. JGL seemed pretty fucking self-centered, and had about zero stake in the lives of Sara and Sid. When did he suddenly become so self-sacrificial? When did that character development take place? I could have seen JGL killing Willis so that he could live happily ever after with Sara and Sid, but to kill himself purely for their sake? Seems totally out of character. Also, if he just wanted to stop Willis, he could have shot his gun hand off rather than killing himself. :-\
that development took place at his inception, when he became cold and bitter and uncaring because of the loss of his mother. mix that with guilt from the death of seth due to Joe giving him up (which he is very obviously shown to feel badly about), the bonding time he spends with Cid, and his general disenchantment with continuing to live on borrowed time and it makes perfect sense for him to sacrifice himself.
you shoot one hand off, bruce grabs his gun and shoots while Joe can't because a blunderbuss is hard to use with one hand. he'd also have to hit a single hand, which would be hard to do with a gun that's designed to be wholly inaccurate. and he would have to think of that strategy within that .003 seconds he came up with the sacrificial plan, and not the days and days that everyone coming up with that theory or reading that theory somewhere else has had.
Not to mention that just shooting off his hand would be completely unsatisfying, dramatically. this is not how stories work.
what it boils down to: you need not analyze how a character should act, but how they would act. joe was in a self-sacrificial place. he would do it.
Saw this last night, really loved it, I kept guessing the entire time where the story was going to go, few movies can pull that off so well without feeling contrived.
On another note, does anyone know the name of the horror movie trailer that revolved around symbols giving a demon a path into the world or something?
Just saw it after having to delay my viewing a week. I'm sure this question has been asked, but:
Why can they just shoot Bruce Willis' wife in the future with no repercussions, but for Bruce and every other person they want dead they have to time travel them back?
I thought the film overall was okay. It definitely felt too long.
Saw this last night, really loved it, I kept guessing the entire time where the story was going to go, few movies can pull that off so well without feeling contrived.
On another note, does anyone know the name of the horror movie trailer that revolved around symbols giving a demon a path into the world or something?
Just saw it after having to delay my viewing a week. I'm sure this question has been asked, but:
Why can they just shoot Bruce Willis' wife in the future with no repercussions, but for Bruce and every other person they want dead they have to time travel them back?
Thanks, I remember the trailer for that one and the one for Mama, but there were others and I also thought it was weird most of the trailers were horror ones.
This was by far the best attempt to make a live-action anime movie made in the west. And I mean that as a compliment.
It was so good that I didn't care about the many paradoxes the movie throws, and I was fascinated by the characters. Furthermore, this movie actually managed to surprise me, which is a rare thing for movies made these days.
Really loved this film. I have seen it twice, the first time I watched it I really liked it, but I was slightly disappointed with the ending. The second time I watched it, still thought the ending was a bit meh, but the emotional beats in the film hit me much harder and elevated the film to being a great one.
There is one shot near the end, where after the kid gets grazed by the bullet on the cheek, falls downs, then as he lifts his head in the air in that slow motion to look right at Bruce Willis. I really did not like this shot because it was like the kid had this look of "I'm gonna kill you!" and I never felt like the kid ever wanted to kill anyone in the film. He has this power that he can't control and it just happens because he gets angry. At least that's what it came across as to me.
Rian Johnson addressed that in an article on slashfilm.
"As for the wife, that was a big mistake made by the mobsters and the reason we see the shot of the village burning is thats their half-assed attempt to cover it up."
Rian Johnson addressed that in an article on slashfilm.
"As for the wife, that was a big mistake made by the mobsters and the reason we see the shot of the village burning is that’s their half-assed attempt to cover it up."
But the whole idea of carrying guns around in the future is a joke because of the tracking bodies or whatever. I know I'm nit-picking, but the driving force for a primary characters motivations just don't seem to be terribly well thought out within the rules that Johnson put together. I don't really care for the rules that drive the plot initially to be honest.
