Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn - Part 4 [Available To Watch]

Episode 2 was a bit dull, I still have no idea why they decided to focus on young leaders of all the stories they could have told in the Halo Universe.
 
Demoncarnotaur said:
Since this thread was technically for episode 1 should it get a new thread? Or a title update? I'm sure a quite a few people don't realize this hits every Friday.

Agreed, I can't really figure out what she's supposed to be... a second year as a leader? One way or another she seems out of place.
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I mean lets face it, any one of us whod join that squad would automatically think "who the hell is this chic? She looks like shed be intimidated by an angry cat". Thats the first thing i thought when i saw her in the video. So the fact that that's not even tackled in the videos i feel hurts that whole character in general. There has to be one asshole on that squad who'd think the same thing as me and test her out to see if she really deserves to be there. But the fact that they don't even tackle that in the videos makes the whole character not believable.

That would have helped her a lot. It wouldn't have helped the stale acting part, but it would the whole believability of the character. But as of now, she just doesnt fit period.
 
Majanew said:
It's about Lasky. He is in the game.

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Nice spoiler. I had no idea....
 
Silly.Mikey said:
Ok so put that black shit to cover it. If he asks you the ending of the game, u just gonna post it?? Thats it im going dark.
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I didn't spoil it, 343 did. His name is Lasky and he has the same mole on his right cheek. Not hard to figure out. My apologies, though. Figured it was known.
 
didnt 343 already say who the main character is in FUD and why it was following him? I cant consider anything released by the dev team as a spoiler unless its "in this game, Sherlock Holmes dies......sorry spoiler"
 
I'm really enjoying these. The Cortana intro really gave me chills, I love her voice actor.

Also, :lol at completely unsubtle Frankie cameo, and smh at "noobs."
 
GodfatherX said:
didnt 343 already say who the main character is in FUD and why it was following him? I cant consider anything released by the dev team as a spoiler unless its "in this game, Sherlock Holmes dies......sorry spoiler"
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Pretty sure they did in a video. That he played a part in the game and these are events leading up to it.
 
So, I'll spoiler tag this just in case, it has to do with characters we know are appearing in FUD that are known from the books.

So Fred and Kelly are appearing in this, though it seems Fred is only credited as 'Spartan' while Kelly is credited by her name. We know of Kelly since her actor posted a picture of herself in armor on facebook and now the full credit list confirms it. Can't wait to see them in action!

Pic from actors FB:
http://i.imgur.com/JIiKz.jpg

Pic from preview for next week:
http://i.imgur.com/xUD9W.jpg


Point being, their armor looks wayyyy better than MCs.

Silly.Mikey said:
I mean lets face it, any one of us whod join that squad would automatically think "who the hell is this chic? She looks like shed be intimidated by an angry cat". Thats the first thing i thought when i saw her in the video. So the fact that that's not even tackled in the videos i feel hurts that whole character in general. There has to be one asshole on that squad who'd think the same thing as me and test her out to see if she really deserves to be there. But the fact that they don't even tackle that in the videos makes the whole character not believable.

That would have helped her a lot. It wouldn't have helped the stale acting part, but it would the whole believability of the character. But as of now, she just doesnt fit period.
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Yeah.. I just don't buy her as the actual squad leader.. She seems more in par with all the fresh recruits.
 
Really enjoying this series and it's getting me hyped up for Halo lore and Halo 4. Last year's release of CE HD felt like Halo overkill and burnt me out. But I'm not properly hyped for 4.

Also, maybe this has been confirmed already, but is Lasky's
mother the Commandant of the academy
?
 
Reluctant-Hero said:
Really enjoying this series and it's getting me hyped up for Halo lore and Halo 4. Last year's release of CE HD felt like Halo overkill and burnt me out. But I'm not properly hyped for 4.

Also, maybe this has been confirmed already, but is Lasky's
mother the Commandant of the academy
?
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No

General Black is the one in charge.
 
Damn you cliffhanger!
I really like this. The beginnings of those two episodes are fantastic, the Cortana and Chief stuff.
 
Now that we've got seen the full marine armour a little more (not the cadet's) I still don't really like that it. It looks alright, but definitely not as good as the previous Halo live- action Marine armour.
 
Not as good as Episode 1 but then again this strings into a whole movie. I agree the characters are not likable. Kinda reminds me of a dry (albeit taken much more serious) Starship Troopers but with more emo angst whip cream topping. The black girl is very unconvincing as her voice seems to break up a lot plus the acting. But, the production value is still pretty decent and it's one of the better video game movies I've watched so far. I guess we can't expect Michael Beihn, Bill Paxton and crew to do this.
 
Liked episode 2 better than episode 1, though it is all the same. First episode had me a little concerned about the acting/actors, but things improved in this part as the characters developed more. Again I hope things continue to pick up.
 
I really don't understand the dislike of the squad commander. She is age appropriate for the recruits. Of course she looks young. It's a military school. They ARE young.

Honestly, are some of you expecting a grizzled 50 year old, Sgt. Johnson to somehow be a student squad commander for a bunch of young teenagers?
 
minasodaboy said:
I really don't understand the dislike of the squad commander. She is age appropriate for the recruits. Of course she looks young. It's a military school. They ARE young.

Honestly, are some of you expecting a grizzled 50 year old, Sgt. Johnson to somehow be a student squad commander for a bunch of young teenagers?
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Yeah pretty much.
 
Demoncarnotaur said:
So, I'll spoiler tag this just in case, it has to do with characters we know are appearing in FUD that are known from the books.

So Fred and Kelly are appearing in this, though it seems Fred is only credited as 'Spartan' while Kelly is credited by her name. We know of Kelly since her actor posted a picture of herself in armor on facebook and now the full credit list confirms it. Can't wait to see them in action!

Pic from actors FB:
http://i.imgur.com/JIiKz.jpg

Pic from preview for next week:
http://i.imgur.com/xUD9W.jpg


Point being, their armor looks wayyyy better than MCs.



Yeah.. I just don't buy her as the actual squad leader.. She seems more in par with all the fresh recruits.
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I thought Kelly was tallest and fastest of the Spartans? In any case cool news and I look forward to seeing ep 3!
 
^ Hm, good point.. Maybe they will film to make
her look taller? None the less, Im thrilled they are in this.

minasodaboy said:
I really don't understand the dislike of the squad commander. She is age appropriate for the recruits. Of course she looks young. It's a military school. They ARE young.

Honestly, are some of you expecting a grizzled 50 year old, Sgt. Johnson to somehow be a student squad commander for a bunch of young teenagers?
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Nah, she just doesn't really feel like any more of a leader than the rest of them I suppose. Its not really the age thing..just, a thing. Its not a dig on her acting or anything like that either. None the less, its something minor for me.
 
Awesome! Liked E2 even more than E1. Performances were more convincing, though I did spare an eye roll at "noobs".

Stinkles cameo was swag.
 
If John is only 14 here, he would have just undergone the augmentation procedures. Little off from the fiction in The Fall of Reach, as the armor didn't come until much later.

Edit: Actually, I'm mistaken. Augmentations at 14, then their first mission, followed 3 months later with project Mjolnir.
 
Danis said:
If John is only 14 here, he would have just undergone the augmentation procedures. Little off from the fiction in The Fall of Reach, as the armor didn't come until much later.
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Hmm.. I think you're right. Its been ages since I read FOR though, and I really can't see them making a huge mistake like that.

Speaking of armor, going with the Halo Legends design was a weird choice, it doesn't look right.
 
Danis said:
If John is only 14 here, he would have just undergone the augmentation procedures. Little off from the fiction in The Fall of Reach, as the armor didn't come until much later.
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Someone should sit down and do a timeline and then post it. I cannot keep track of all the dates from the books and games to verify such info anymore.
 
... And John was not the fastest, tallest, smartest, or most talented. He was the bravest and the luckiest.
Fred-104 was clearly the better soldier. Probably the best Spartan.
 
Warm Machine said:
I can see the director at the end of shooting wondering why it doesn't look better than it does. It must be incredibly frusterating watching the dailies and seeing the production value not be there.

Really, why do the same shots we have seen in a dozen war movies of training or cadets not look good here? It really is the same content as Starship Troopers or Full Metal Jacket. I can tell that there are lots of places where the camera should never have been and vice versa. Thing is, Starship Troopers isn't that well lit of a film either. In fact, nothing Verhoven has ever done has had beautiful lighting but the production value is always there because every shot has a purpose.

There are moments in here that should have been paid off better too. At 6:09 when the Warthog drives in it is handled so very lazy. I assume the director just never understood that for many of us, it is the first time we have ever seen a real working Warthog. CAPITALIZE on that. That thing should be driving around the corner obscured by a warping heat haze through a telephoto lens. We should identify with it based on sound and silhouette.

When it comes to a stop in front of the cadets get low to the tires and have it kick up smoke and dust. Have the dust essentially be the thing that visually shames the cadets.

Then have the commander get out of it, boots on the ground first then pan up. Have him grimace at the cadets, step out of the way revealing a pissed off gunner manning that 50 cal with attitude. Make the moment bad ass! Right now it is just taken for granted. Do we get any sense that the Warthog is special, powerful, or iconic?

As is, the scene is basically saying, yeah yeah, here is a Warthog and here is a commander ho hum. Here comes a speech.

Really, the commander/sergeant guy whatever is doing a fantastic bit of performance too. Just it isn't being captured in a way that pays it off. Where is the wide shot establishing the man's authority? The commander should be nose to nose with Laksy in here focusing blame when he says "...all of us dead..." and then casting a wider net of blame with the remaining dialouge. I don't get a single frame of the guilt from any one of the cadets for their actions which is key to this scene. Without the guilt hammered home there is no scene.

Man, get the camera on the other side of the Warthog and shoot through the windscreen or seats or something to give some foreground here and there. Get low to the back tires and use it to balance a wider angle.

Every shot in anything needs motivation. The best commercial directors know this because they have 15-30 seconds and need to make sure every single image in their "story" is hammering home the point.

My problem with it is that all the pieces are here. The actors are FINE. They are just being let down by the production. The costumes, weapons, and everything are good, maybe they need a bit of wear but otherwise they work. Some of the shots are great, but as a whole it comes off like lower end TV and there is no excuse because the actors, cameras, sets, and support crew were all there on the day. It simply needed to be handled with more creativity in its direction and photography.
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Not that I don't share your sentiment, but honestly, the director probably did one shot and not five interesting ones for the reveal of the warthog, because setups = money. The more setups he does for the early, less action heavy segments (to give them better production values), the less dough he has to work with when I assume later on shit hits the fan.

Unfortunately when they're working in live action, putting the camera in interesting places (like say the wheel well of the warthog) is time consuming.
 
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