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btw Paul Thurrott is predicting $499. about what I am expecting. Don't know why you would go with ARM if that is the price though, the atom ones will be $500-$600 and will have about 8-10hrs battery life.

Also sounds like reviewers got surfaces today, but are of course under nda.
 
Windu said:
btw Paul Thurrott is predicting $499. about what I am expecting. Don't know why you would go with ARM if that is the price though, the atom ones will be $500-$600 and will have about 8-10hrs battery life.
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Yeah...500$ price makes me wonder why they even bothered with Windows RT, seeing as it's only advantage is that it allows for dirt cheap hardware
 
Could it be true that today's the day Surface's prices is announced???

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Klocker said:
so they can make it an RT APP? I understood it as nothing to install except apps. RT ths is so may have to wait and spend on Pro
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Well, they made Word, Excel, Power Point and OneNote work on RT so they can make Outlook too. What MS really wants is that you subscribe to Office 360, but as usual we have to wait, at least the wait is getting shorter
 
f0lken said:
Well, they made Word, Excel, Power Point and OneNote work on RT so they can make Outlook too. What MS really wants is that you subscribe to Office 360, but as usual we have to wait, at least the wait is getting shorter
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I think the idea is that they'd like you to use the Windows 8 Mail app.
 
Steelyuhas said:
I think the idea is that they'd like you to use the Windows 8 Mail app.
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quickly and completely managing my calendar is what I care most about and unless hey overhaul the calendar at outlook.com then it is sorely lacking... Office 360? so I can use that on multiple devices? RT, PC?
 
Klocker said:
quickly and completely managing my calendar is what I care most about and unless hey overhaul the calendar at outlook.com then it is sorely lacking... Office 360? so I can use that on multiple devices? RT, PC?
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I'm fairly certain you won't be able to install any other version of Office on an RT device. That said, there is a Calendar app on Windows 8, I haven't really used it much myself, but it appears to have everything you'd expect for a Calendar app. (I know it syncs with my account and gives me notifications, I manage my calendars from my phone most of the time.)

The Calendar section of Outlook.com hasn't been upgraded like everything else, should be coming a some point.
 
Klocker said:
quickly and completely managing my calendar is what I care most about and unless hey overhaul the calendar at outlook.com then it is sorely lacking... Office 360? so I can use that on multiple devices? RT, PC?
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If the calendar app is anything like it is on Windows Phone, you don't have to worry. Never had any complaints, using it across my phone, Outlook, the web app and Google Cal.


Also, I expected more of the ad. Everything else they did had so much style, while this just seemed average and a bit tacky.
 
AdrianWerner said:
Yeah...500$ price makes me wonder why they even bothered with Windows RT, seeing as it's only advantage is that it allows for dirt cheap hardware
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Probably because, given how things are currently looking, betting on Intel for your mobile strategy would be suicide.
 
$500 is better than $600 but still no where close to being cheap enough, as others are saying, Lenovo are offering a 64gb Atom tablet for $629, anyone that went RT over Pro for $100 is poorly informed or crazy.
 
Klocker said:
had better be $399 max, $449 for larger storage


still hoping $299/$379
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I feel like that's really where RT needs to be to make a splash. But what do I know about these things. Nothing at all. MS is paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to analyze the marketplace, projected buying demographics, etc. and come up with the right marketing tone, style and price.

If it they come out above $450, I'll be pretty disappointed...though it doesn't really matter to me as I'm only a prospective Pro buyer.

PG2G said:
Probably because, given how things are currently looking, betting on Intel for your mobile strategy would be suicide.
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I'm not sure what you mean. How are things "currently looking" regarding Intel?
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I'm not sure what you mean. How are things "currently looking" regarding Intel?
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Thel mobile market is increasingly ARM dominated and that doesn't appear to be changing at all. Relying on Intel would potentially make it difficult to compete with iPad and Android tablets
 
PG2G said:
Probably because, given how things are currently looking, betting on Intel for your mobile strategy would be suicide.
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For Microsoft I think going ARM is suicide for Surface RT. Win RT has no chances of succeeding. Windows 8 is the only chance they have.

Surface RT seems just like putting it out there to die.
 
AdrianWerner said:
For Microsoft I think going ARM is suicide for Surface RT. Win RT has no chances of succeeding. Windows 8 is the only chance they have.

Surface RT seems just like putting it out there to die.
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Windows 8 is only beneficial when we're talking hybrid form factors. The desktop and apps might be useful on a tablet for some edge cases, but are far from necessary.

IF they can build up a decent app store, there is no reason to suggest that Windows RT can't compete with iOS and Android as a pure tablet.
 
PG2G said:
Windows 8 is only beneficial when we're talking hybrid form factors. The desktop and apps might be useful on a tablet for some edge cases, but are far from necessary.

IF they can build up a decent app store, there is no reason to suggest that Windows RT can't compete with iOS and Android as a pure tablet.
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Except that Android can't compete in the same price range as iPad. It's only small successes are where they sell it dirt cheap. There's no reason to believe Windows RT priced at 500 dollars will do any better.


SO yes, if Microsoft is looking to achieve the same absymal sales as Samsung and ASUS had, then yep..expensive ARM tablet is the way to go.
 
AdrianWerner said:
Except that Android can't compete in the same price range as iPad. It's only small successes are where they sell it dirt cheap. There's no reason to believe Windows RT priced at 500 dollars will do any better.

SO yes, if Microsoft is looking to achieve the same absymal sales as Samsung and ASUS had, then yep..expensive ARM tablet is the way to go.
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You're mixing points. Is Windows RT the problem, or is Windows RT at $500 the problem?

I don't think it is impossible to compete with the iPad. It'll take a compelling ecosystem, a compelling OS, and a compelling device. The Surface RT can mark two of those boxes.
 
I don't really see why they are launching RT now, it will be virtually useless until the ecosystem picks up steam, but unlike Android or Blackberry or Palm, they don't need the devices out there to get it rolling because Pro apps can be so easily recompiled to ARM. So launch Pro now, get the early adopters in at the higher prices, and launch RT next year when the Windows Store gets you all the apps you need.
 
3-5 million tablets for this quarter.

According to component suppliers in Asia, Microsoft has placed orders to produce 3 million to 5 million of these tablets in the fourth quarter. That is similar to the orders that were placed for Amazon’s Kindle Fire tablets and Google GOOG -0.51%’s Nexus 7 tablets, these suppliers say. Some component suppliers to Apple AAPL +0.79% in Asia say they have received orders to make more than 10 million units of a smaller tablet for the Cupertino, Calif. company in the fourth quarter.

Mass production of the Surface tablets began earlier this month, according to two people familiar with the situation.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/10/16/microsoft-plans-large-volume-production-of-surface/

D4Danger said:
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Yeah, but for that price, you're giving up your freedom.

Not sure if it's worth it.
 
Ghost said:
I don't really see why they are launching RT now, it will be virtually useless until the ecosystem picks up steam, but unlike Android or Blackberry or Palm, they don't need the devices out there to get it rolling because Pro apps can be so easily recompiled to ARM. So launch Pro now, get the early adopters in at the higher prices, and launch RT next year when the Windows Store gets you all the apps you need.
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I think that Windows Store is likely to see rapid growth due to the number of devices that will be running Windows 8 by the end of the year (a lot). It hasn't even been released yet and there's thousands of apps on the store.

The RT tablets will come with Microsoft Office for free which is a big selling point over competing tablets and helps justify a premium (iPad) price-point.

The real question that's bugging me is... which keyboard to get :/
 
Cj70 said:
I think that Windows Store is likely to see rapid growth due to the number of devices that will be running Windows 8 by the end of the year (a lot). It hasn't even been released yet and there's thousands of apps on the store.

The RT tablets will come with Microsoft Office for free which is a big selling point over competing tablets and helps justify a premium (iPad) price-point.

The real question that's bugging me is... which keyboard to get :/
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Cyan! Cyan! Cyan!
 
PG2G said:
You're mixing points. Is Windows RT the problem, or is Windows RT at $500 the problem?.
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My point is that Windows RT makes sense solely if it's used to power very cheap devices. If they price it at 500$ it's suicide for the whole device, especially considering how crappy the screen is.
 
It will probably be sold at 500$/600$ if not at 600$/700$ followed by the typical doom and gloom reactions.
At that price it would still be great and comparable to the iPad. Just not the kind of instant-purchase a lot of people hope for.

I believe we don't have most of the prices for other RT tablets yet, but the ones we do have aren't all that cheap. I don't expect Microsoft to undercut OEMs by much.
 
Retina vs 720p
Largest dedicated tablet app market on the planet vs Windows 8 marketplace

Lets face it RT is a Zune style bust if its the same price. You can't be this late and not bring your A game.

The keyboard and kickstand are cool (office too if you need that sort of thing) but I dunno if that's enough for the non Pro target market over the proven iPad. Especially if they are extra like the smart covers.

I guess $500 with everything included for 32gb is competitive but I just wish they would go balls out.
 
idk how I feel. They're entering a crowded marketplace and I feel that there are too few people out there who would sell an old piece of tech to buy the new one.

Said in another way, I don't see many people selling their iPads for $200-$500 to buy a new $500-$700 Surface.
If that's true, then how many people out there are interested in a Surface but not an iPad. 500k? 1 Million?
 
derder said:
idk how I feel. They're entering a crowded marketplace and I feel that there are too few people out there who would sell an old piece of tech to buy the new one.

Said in another way, I don't see many people selling their iPads for $200-$500 to buy a new $500-$700 Surface.
If that's true, then how many people out there are interested in a Surface but not an iPad. 500k? 1 Million?
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Based on.. what?
 
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