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Interest in pro getting weaker..
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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i assumed the SD had to be a mistake, i mean i doubt you can even get a straight SD slot anymore.
fluffydelusions
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Up in Canada it seems:
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/productID.257918700
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/productID.257918700
In all honesty the Touch Covers probably suck from a functionality point anyways.
At first I was expecting a model with equal specs as an iPad but with cover at the same price.
Then all these rumours started flowing that they were really serious...
I'm holding out, at least for a while to see how this develops, if the whole Windows RT thing will do a Baumgartner without the parachute or be a huge success
I think Pro had HDMI though.
Unknown Soldier
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MS didn't learn any lessons from the meteoric fall of the HP TouchPad. Or from the Motorola Xoom. Or the Blackberry PlayBook. Or all the Samsung tablets. You can't price it like an iPad and expect to sell any.
That's what I'm asking.
How many people are going to buy this thing? How many of those people already own a tablet?
Souless_PJ
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Seems MS didn't learn a thing from Zune. Wasn't that years late and the same price as the then dominent iPod.
Had a few core fans but never really made it out the gates.
Looks like history repeating.
Had a few core fans but never really made it out the gates.
Looks like history repeating.
You'd buy a 16GB tablet with non-expandable storage? Maybe it's because I want more out of my tablets, but I don't think I could ever live with that.
outunderthestars
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Will there be a retail presence this Holiday?
To be fair, they are planning to throw almost half a billion bucks against the wall in marketing efforts...
It looks like they are trying to do a Kinect. They could have priced it (much) lower but instead chose the higher price point and directed the difference towards marketing... Which is a valid choice. Just not a one that convinces me.
The big difference is though that Kinect didn't have any incumbent competition. Not a competitor that already dominated the market... so this should be interesting.
Honestly, all those tablets were pretty crappy.
Pro has mini-DP, according the old PDF Microsoft has posted.
You're buying peace of mind that your purchase will continue to have an established Ecosystem and you won't be dumping it early. I couldn't live with dropping a huge amount of money to be an early adopter when so many tablets have failed.
Unknown Soldier
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And the Surface isn't going to be crappy? What does this thing actually bring to the table besides Microsoft Office? You can buy a $500 laptop instead which comes with a keyboard, runs Office, and runs all the other x86 Windows apps which Surface doesn't because it's ARM. I just don't get it, but I've been baffled by MS's strategy ever since WP7 flopped and they still haven't showed anything compelling. If Surface launched at $300 and included the keyboard, well okay then, let's check it out. At $620 including the keyboard it's the worst value in tablets ever compared to the iPad.
Cost is a bit higher than I had hoped. I know its a nice tablet but I was thinking it would be less due to Apple pricing their stuff with the "Apple Tax" attached, Microsoft wants to get into the market they need to offer a compelling experience at at least a slightly lower cost.
If they were to come up with a case that worked well with the keyboard I could see this being big at least in the Healthcare industry (I work in Healthcare IT) because everyone around here wants iPads instead of laptops but they realize how limited they are on the iOS and although they love the iPad they always miss a real keyboard and have a hard time sometimes using the remote apps available to do "real work". Having a keyboard as part of the case that works really well (Yes I'm aware of the Bluetooth keyboard cases for iPad) could be a huge plus. I hope to get my hands on one for testing and see how viable it would be in the work environment.
If they were to come up with a case that worked well with the keyboard I could see this being big at least in the Healthcare industry (I work in Healthcare IT) because everyone around here wants iPads instead of laptops but they realize how limited they are on the iOS and although they love the iPad they always miss a real keyboard and have a hard time sometimes using the remote apps available to do "real work". Having a keyboard as part of the case that works really well (Yes I'm aware of the Bluetooth keyboard cases for iPad) could be a huge plus. I hope to get my hands on one for testing and see how viable it would be in the work environment.
Exactly. People keep up the "nobody can compete with at the iPad price" mantra without looking at why that has been the case in the past. To put it simply, the previous competitors have sucked. Drop the price and people are willing to put up with it.
Microsoft is trying a different approach, releasing something that doesn't suck.
Serious question, have you used Windows 8?
radioheadrule83
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FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
(has that been said yet? I imagine it has)
Anyway, although I was more interested in the Surface Pro to begin with - I'm disappointed in the price. If the US -> GBP conversion is reasonable, the 32GB model + keyboard cover won't be too much more than an iPad 2, but the price is too high for me for what it is.
I think it leaves a door open for another vendor to be very successful though, as I'm certain the Windows 8 and Windows RT eco systems are going to thrive. I expect WinRT development to take off once its available, people are really underestimating the kind of reach all new desktops, new laptops, new Windows tablets and (to a lesser extent) new windows phones are going to have.
(has that been said yet? I imagine it has)
Anyway, although I was more interested in the Surface Pro to begin with - I'm disappointed in the price. If the US -> GBP conversion is reasonable, the 32GB model + keyboard cover won't be too much more than an iPad 2, but the price is too high for me for what it is.
I think it leaves a door open for another vendor to be very successful though, as I'm certain the Windows 8 and Windows RT eco systems are going to thrive. I expect WinRT development to take off once its available, people are really underestimating the kind of reach all new desktops, new laptops, new Windows tablets and (to a lesser extent) new windows phones are going to have.
so i can swipe back and forth while going "WEEEEEEeeee!" and then do nothing else
Unknown Soldier
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Serious question for you, what value exactly is added for the consumer by jerry-rigging Metro UI onto everything?
This is a thread about a tablet. A form factor where even Windows 8 haters haven't had any complaints. Stick to the topic
In the US, the iPad 2 is $399, while the 32 GB + Keyboard cover RT is $599. I don't see how converting to GBP will get it to just a little more than the iPad 2.
I can think of a couple, after using Metro exclusively for a while:
- Simplicity/consistency
- App performance (eg, compare Windows Live Mail to the Mail app - it's no contest)
- Proper app management (no installers/uninstallers crap, app suspension, Windows Store, etc)
- Proper support for high-resolution screens
- Notifications and live tiles
So far one oversea poster replied my earlier post and stated he may get one.
I would have been in for sure at $499 with cover. Without it, I would prefer to wait for the Pro.
That said, I'm really interested in what they come with regarding the subscription plans. If it is coming like $299 or $399 with a 2 year commitment to Xbox Music (which I'm already paying for), I'm in for sure.
Cute Dragon Here
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Looks like the page for Surface RT and its pricing went down or got pulled, according to The Verge, Neowin, and Engadget.
GuitarAtomik
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I'm still interested in the Pro since I've always expected that to be around $1000. The only reason I want a tablet is to have something I could use full fledged Photoshop on with a Wacom pen away from my desktop which the iPad does not have the capability of doing.
radioheadrule83
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The iPad 2 is £329 here, or around $529 US. You're right, in that we can probably expect a similar price premium on the Surface, but I do expect a 32GB + kb bundle could hit £400 or even less.
Thats true, IF (a big if) they come with a subscription plan to Xbox music (which i already pay for) im ready to "click in".
I would guess that the 32GB Tablet only to be £400. With the cover £479.
I was all up and ready to jump over to the Surface (coming from an ipad2) but that price is just too much for the sacrifice on only being on ARM so will probably end up getting the next ipad in March. For the price of an ipad3 I want a much higher resolution than this offers and was really expecting the base level Surface Pro to be 600-700USD not the top end RT. Guess I just misjudged Microsoft's pricing strategy on wanting to enter a new market.
This makes me more sad about the state of the traditional desktop than happy for the metro environment.
That's why Ms is ditching it.
Osiris
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Not a chance, you're going to be looking at £500 minimum for the 32GB + KB, and probably closer to £550.
I feel like $499 should have been the expected price the entire time (in line with the competition) and whoever came with that $199 rumor trolled the hell out of us and played with our expectations. We went from expecting iPad prices to thinking, welll... $199 might not be realistic but they might do $299!
radioheadrule83
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I'd possibly be okay with that.. I hope they do a Nintendo and don't set an RRP/MSRP in the UK + Europe
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