Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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The huge ones are:
- File system access
- USB support (keyboard/mice + flash drives/external HDDs/external DVD drives + cameras, etc)
- Networking with other devices
- Decent multitasking
- Expandable storage
The iPad can't do any of that.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
It kind of dooms RT as an OS in my opinion.
As a developer I was curious about RT development, I just can't see how this is going to have the install base to bother with it, so most of my development will likely stick with the traditional Desktop environment. That way those running the full Windows 8 tablet devices and desktop Windows 8 users will be my market. There's no incentive at all to develop for RT.
Wiktor
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You can, from Lenovo.
this thread is funny. I have been expecting this price since the announcement. /shrug
Anyway atom clovertrail tablets > ipad/nexus 7. They will be the same price as the ipad and windows rt. They will get 8-10 of battery life, will have usb ports, hdmi ports etc.. Optional keyboard dock. And they will be compatible with all of your existing software.
Anyway atom clovertrail tablets > ipad/nexus 7. They will be the same price as the ipad and windows rt. They will get 8-10 of battery life, will have usb ports, hdmi ports etc.. Optional keyboard dock. And they will be compatible with all of your existing software.
Why are you making excuses for low-res tablet screens? People want the best bang for their buck, it's not hard.
Windows 8 multitasking is serviceable at best.
And to access the file system, don't you have to go to the desktop? That makes it completely useless IMO.
See, the sad thing is I really like Windows 8, but I just wish that on Surface, it was just metro. No desktop. I *never* want to go into the desktop on a tablet. Maybe some people will differ, but having the desktop there (And no, you *can't* ignore it), is a major turn off. not jsut from surface but from Windows 8 Tablets as a whole.
PCs are cheaper, have more features and many more apps. Why would anyone choose a Mac?
Also add in the contracts that allow different 3rd party apps to talk and integrate.
No, there are Metro file managers. Eg:
http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/app/47b46b46-148c-40a5-a142-e2f98deeb6fd
I've used that one to copy videos to my USB from Metro. Works really well and copies in the background too.
If you develop for the new UI on Windows 8 tablet devices, you practically already develop for Windows RT devices. If you don't develop for the new UI, people with Windows 8 tablets will choose alternative software that does run in Metro. Just because Windows 8 devices have the full desktop doesn't mean everyone will happily use desktop apps.
But the Playbook can... and that's turned up all rosey, right????
MS is RIM'ming this launch, confirmed
Oh ok. IMO Should have been built in by MS, but whatever.
With that said, I'm 90% sure there are also third party file managers on iOS, but I haven't looked closely, so I could be wrong.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Not a fan of metro apps, first thing I've done on giving Windows 8 a second chance is remove them all from my start screen and make sure they are not the default for any filetypes I use, I took the advice given in other Windows 8 threads to ignore Metro and tbh it's working out for me fine, all the benefits of 8 without none of the Metro sillyness.
Desktop apps can be run on Windows 7 & 8 desktop PC's, Windows 8 tablets and later the Surface Pro, limiting myself to *just* Windows 8 PC's and Windows RT devices would be stupid, the install base just isn't going to be worth it.
Except, people with full Windows 8 tablets aren't going to want to run tablet style apps in the desktop.
If it's not a tablet style app then WinRT wasnt really a fit in the first place.
Wiktor
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Well..considering Macs have less than 5% of market share I don't think that's good argument. I doubt that's the extent of Microsoft's ambition in tablet market.
Only on jailbroken devices. Apps in iOS don't get access to the filesystem itself, only local storage.
So if someone was looking forward to installing a ton of different programs and games, the RT version is not the way to go but the 8 is?
I was planning to wait for the 8 anyways since I can't find any info about the RT using the type keyboard, and I'd prefer that one.
Sooooo why do you care about the surface?
I bought a Macbook Air (don't have it anymore because it was defective; returned it then THAT one was defective so I said fuck it) because I thought it was a great overall package coming in, but after owning it for a month or so, I don't think I'd go back to it, but I guess I could see how people pick it. It's a cult of personality type of thing. They see everyone in the media use it (especially the tech media) so people imitate. Not to mention since the products are so high, the idea that you're buying a "quality product" is ingrained into their head. It's not true mind you (they're no more reliable than any other company), but it all ads up.
Like anything else, Apple knows marketing is more important than anything else. Look how they retconned the whole "3.5 inches is the perfect size for phones" thing. It's all about marketing and making yourself look better than you are. Not to mention once you get the ball rolling for something, it's hard to get it to stop.
Ah ok thanks for the clarification.
And that metro file system actually looks pretty nice.
Wiktor
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Maybe they're using them in a way Google used Nexus phones, just a as showcase hardware that drums up the interest for the OS. I can't see Surface doing anything beyond that.
You think the install base of Windows 8 PCs is going to be small?
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
The Pro is interesting to me, the RT isn't.
No, I think the number of Windows 8 PC users who won't use a desktop app will be miniscule though.
If you are planning to install non-Microsoft store apps and games, then you'll want to get an x86 device. ARM devices (Windows RT) are limited to the full screen tablet-style apps.
why not just get a windows 7 tablet if you dont care for metro apps though?
True.
But Windows 8 RT is in competition with.. drum roll please... Ipad. Which dominates the market right now.
So.... what's the point of sending product to die?
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
My iPad is fine for the time being but I am looking for a replacement, a Windows 8 tablet (non-RT) is the most likely contender, but I'm holding off because the Pro is compelling.
The Windows 7 tablets though... yeah, they suck.
Yeah I was thinking that too, then the rumours about them producing 5 million of the things this year started coming out.
I think that is the extent of Microsoft`s ambition with Surface tablets.
Oh, really? The types of programs I wanted to use were:
Music making programs
Video editing
Comic book reading
Probably some simple games like visual novels for relaxing
So are people suggesting the Surface is not the way to go with this?
Windows 7 tablets really do suck. Win7 is great but it is not designed for touch control, at all.
Pro is indeed compelling and probably my next tablet of choice. Will probably just get refurb for cheap though. =X
You need ultrabook.
Why do we care so much about a product going to die? Because we own Microsoft stock?
So less people will own a Microsoft Surface RT, then what? There'll still be more devices with access to Windows Store apps than iPad.
I had a sinking suspicion that would be the case. That's ok, that can be removed from the list. But the rest are doable on the tablet?
Until you find out that Apple sold 17 million last quarter. Three to five million seems to be the safe initial production run.
... nah still ultrabook is what you're looking for. Way cheaper than tablet too.
Video editing is typically pretty resource intensive isn't it? I wouldn't recommend an ARM or Atom (Clovertrail) based tablet. You probably need a i5 or i7 to do serious work like that.
The rest of the stuff you list would be fine (though I don't know if those apps exist yet). Just think of an Windows RT tablet as capable of the same kind of stuff you do on an iPad or Android tablet.
LOL, wut?
But Macs are more profitable for Apple than practically every Windows PC to their OEMs, so I am sure that MS will be happy by having its own premium line of tablets that makes them money, and having that tablet being the reference and allowing its OEMs to compete and be profitable, people say "I will b the Nexus 7" or anything but what other Android tablet are on their mind? Exactly no one because OEMs have been efectively killed in the Android market with the Nexus where they can't even compite. And I don't think MS would be able to have 100000 apps by year's end as they claim, but its silly to think that the Windows Store won't be a beast in size and it will be it very soon
Hmm, fair enough. I never liked the Ultrabook's keyboard, though, so far into the device and the lack of ethernet ports kind of means transmitting data is a pain.
And it's not really as convenient to read comics...which is a major thing since I'll be doing that on the daily commute.
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