The Faceless Master
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the ipad really only has a VGA front camera? i thought they upgraded that in the 3rd one
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the ipad really only has a VGA front camera? i thought they upgraded that in the 3rd one
Dreams-Visions
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gotcha.
yea I totally forgot the pricing was announced today.
nope, the iPhone 5 is the first iOS device to get better than a VGA front camera.
have to agree with that. Pro or nothing.
it's the ppi/dpi that matters.
Or smartphones with sub 720p screens.
Are they really? Is it because you have to make all the art assets really big?
awwwwww snap
Wiktor
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Doesn't need to be retina. But plenty of android tablets already are doing 1080. 768 isn't bad, but only if it's on a budget tablet. Surface is mid-range tablet that Microsoft is trying to sell at premium price.
Penguins&PolarBears
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It's interesting that these articles are saying the Surface display is better than the retina iPad. I'm not a big believer in resolution being everything on a display, and I'd say the retina display of the iPad is more of a detriment to performance/power consumption than anything. The fact that they have to use a ton of DPI scaling to make the UI functional on a new iPad detracts from most of the benefits of the increased resolution on such a small display.
Unfortunately we live in a time where many consumers are slaves to spec sheets and a bigger number always looks/sounds better on paper. I'll have to see the display in action to determine if it's just hype or not, but it is perfectly reasonable for a lower resolution display to be better quality than a higher resolution display.
I'm also impressed by the micro SDXC support. Wasn't expecting that on the RT version; too bad SDXC isn't more common on smartphones. Being able to pop your 64GB card in and out of your Windows tablet and phone would be pretty sweet if you had a bunch of movies or videos loaded on it. I think the Samsung ATIV S is the only WP8 with 64GB micro SDXC support.
I really wish there was an an Intel Atom version of the Surface because I'd like to have a device the size of the Surface RT with Windows 8. With respect to Surface I feel like we're being forced to choose between two (expensive) extremes of which neither is completely satisfactory.
Unfortunately we live in a time where many consumers are slaves to spec sheets and a bigger number always looks/sounds better on paper. I'll have to see the display in action to determine if it's just hype or not, but it is perfectly reasonable for a lower resolution display to be better quality than a higher resolution display.
I'm also impressed by the micro SDXC support. Wasn't expecting that on the RT version; too bad SDXC isn't more common on smartphones. Being able to pop your 64GB card in and out of your Windows tablet and phone would be pretty sweet if you had a bunch of movies or videos loaded on it. I think the Samsung ATIV S is the only WP8 with 64GB micro SDXC support.
I really wish there was an an Intel Atom version of the Surface because I'd like to have a device the size of the Surface RT with Windows 8. With respect to Surface I feel like we're being forced to choose between two (expensive) extremes of which neither is completely satisfactory.
What DPI scaling?
Wow, someone accusing Apple users of spec-sheet whoring? Now I have seen it all.
sweetvar26
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I was honestly interested in this but I do feel the price is high.
If I were to shell $500, the first thing that comes up to mind is an iPad with a super high resolution display and a much better app eco system. Simple as that.
There should have been an introductory price of $399 for the tablet alone as a goodwill for a limited time. Jack it up to $449 or something later.
The bundle price, no way should be more than $499 with the keyboard considering how they are advertising it as a package and an accessory that goes along with it.
Hey, but whom am I to tell them...!
If I were to shell $500, the first thing that comes up to mind is an iPad with a super high resolution display and a much better app eco system. Simple as that.
There should have been an introductory price of $399 for the tablet alone as a goodwill for a limited time. Jack it up to $449 or something later.
The bundle price, no way should be more than $499 with the keyboard considering how they are advertising it as a package and an accessory that goes along with it.
Hey, but whom am I to tell them...!
The Faceless Master
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the distance from your eyes is all that matters!
I mean its not really a big issue, but it makes doing responsive design for a non apple product a pain in the ass, and near impossible.
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Dreams-Visions
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If they are going to be on sale by the 26th, the big sites should already have one for reviewing
Warm Machine
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I'm not defending it, I'm using a comparison.
Wiktor
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Wow, someone accusing Apple users of spec-sheet whoring? Now I have seen it all.
Retine is spec whoring. Hardly anyone can actuall see, let alone aprecieate anything beyond 1080p on 10/15 inches screens.
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Dreams-Visions
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enjoyable read.
I look forward to trying out that keyboard.
could be, but all I can say is I'm happy my iPad 3 has the resolution it has.
Wiktor
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Yes, at the distance you're using tablet and laptop it's incredibly hard to see difference between retinas and 1080p.
Resolution is what matters.
Unless you're restrained to a certain viewing distance, DPI/PPI is meaningless.
Well, with Tablets/PCs/Phones, you usually are.
The Faceless Master
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Khaled & co better add some touchscreen support
Surface most definitely pulling ahead but screen resolution is a huge marketing tool for Apple and it will definitely get a lot of weighting in keeping iPad more successful.
This will only get worse with the iPad 3 and will make RT less competitive really quickly.
-Pyromaniac-
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From 32gb to "more than 20" is a pretty big drop. Of course depending on what their definition of "more" is.
As a reader of a language that uses something other than a roman script, I disagree. The finer the detail, the better.
Baconsammy
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Really interested in the OS(iOS 6 is horrible, and I really hate what Amazon did with Android on Fire), really turned off by the pricing. I guess I just keep waiting. I look forward to reading feedback on this from those of you that buy it.
For me it definitely is. I love the PPI on the new iPod Touch and Kindle Fire HD. I hate the rumored PPI on the new iPad mini. Hopefully people are wrong.
For me it definitely is. I love the PPI on the new iPod Touch and Kindle Fire HD. I hate the rumored PPI on the new iPad mini. Hopefully people are wrong.
Dreams-Visions
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we're still talking about tablets and phones, right?
it was always the only choice that was a clear upgrade over other tablets on the market.
Penguins&PolarBears
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Same number/size icons on an iPad 2 and iPad 3. Same amount of a website is visible on an iPad 2 and iPad 3. The only way for that to happen is to magnify the objects on the screen (scaling). Because the screen is so high resolution it makes it impossible to click items on the display at 100% scale. The items on the screen have to be magnified considerably to be readable and interactive which takes away a lot of the benefits of higher resolution (but not all).
The main benefit of the increased resolution on the new iPad is that text is sharper. Given the limitations of ARM processors I think the cons of that high of a resolution outweighs the benefits.
Wow, someone accusing Apple users of spec-sheet whoring? Now I have seen it all.
Not at all.
Honestly I wasn't even thinking of Apple users when I wrote that. The people who are citing the iPad screen resolution I don't think for the most part are even iPad owners. The majority of actual Apple users in general tend to be more brand focused than spec sheet obsessed.
I'm talking more about all the tech enthusiasts who obsess over spec sheets and visit sites like Engadget on a regular basis. That cuts across Microsoft/Apple/Google users so I'm sorry you took that as though I was criticizing Apple users alone. Everyone is guilty of it. Sometimes something sounds a lot better on paper than it is in real life, and sometimes something is a lot better in real life than it sounds on paper. Boiling a displays quality down to just it's resolution sounds like a good way of setting up bad comparisons.
Unfortunately I see a lot of people doing this in these tablet discussions:
"X tablet is 1080p so it must be a better display than tablet Y that is only 768p" or "These two tablets are 768p so I'll just get the cheaper tablet since they are the same."
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Dreams-Visions
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it is. but we've known since the first impressions at the announcement event that it's a good keyboard.
Anton Sugar
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I thought people weren't allowed to actually use the keyboard at the announcement event? Could be remembering wrong...
Dreams-Visions
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maybe I'm misremembering too. I could have sworn I read impressions about the two keyboards.
You are correct, we haven't heard much about how good the keyboards are.
-Pyromaniac-
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they were all bullshit if there were, no one was allowed to use them.
Not that bad considering with 32GB you get 27.93GB for a MS OS to be trimmed down to lets say 7GB's is a big deal for them.
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any germans here? what is the price? I can't get to the store it bounces to NL which doesn't have it. GRRR.
I'm not overly convinced by the use of that keyboard, I'd have to try it out to see if I like it. In the video posted a couple pages back, the Microsoft spokesman said that with the keyboard attachment people are able to get around 52WPM. I already get between 48-55WPM typing directly on the glass of my tablet.
One thing that surface has done is make we wait to see how it does before I purchase my next ipad.
I've owned every ipad since the first one and no other tablet has made me wait.
I think it looks great and if performance can match the price then I'm happy but this is microsoft and that may be it's biggest problem.
I've owned every ipad since the first one and no other tablet has made me wait.
I think it looks great and if performance can match the price then I'm happy but this is microsoft and that may be it's biggest problem.
brotkasten
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Of course there are NDAs. This launch is controlled and micro-managed to hell and back. Otherwise you'd see tons of hands-on videos and unboxing and other crap.
7GB still seems like a very large footprint for the OS compared to the competition. Isn't iOS only like 700mb?
480 Euros for the 32 GB version. 580/680 for the other two.
so, nothing intensive, like gaming. I prematurely jumped on their pre-release battery life figures a few weeks ago, but it seems they weren't improved much since. for a 31.5whr battery and 720p screen, unless they're being super conservative, 8hr is on the low side for an arm device
I hope that 8hr estimate is conservative. Thats the main thing thats so disappointing with the iPad 3 in the time i've had it. No matter what Apple says the battery life is worse than my ipad 2.
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