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[Seguin]

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

Why so many negatives for being a scientist. that's bullshit homie

 

[Blackace]

This.

Any slight whiff of racism by a white person and you will get buried by the media, and rightly so ....... but to say a white person can say what they want without fear or retribution is a lie.


All in all the son of a presidential candidate says he wanted to swing for his fathers opponent, seemingly in an off the cuff joking manner.

The only time race is was brought into it was by the author of the article.

Not really true at all. People have huge careers launched off the backs of racism.. Rush, Beck and so on..

If say Sam Jackson pulled a Mel Gibson he would never work again..

 

[Blackace]

Why so many negatives for being a scientist. that's bullshit homie

I love how being Jewish is more advantageous then being a doctor

 

[Socreges]

Well, has there EVER been a Latino or Asian candidate?

Not relevant to the point.

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

+130! Suck it short, lesbian, black scientists!

 

[Baconsammy]

Not really true at all. People have huge careers launched off the backs of racism.. Rush, Beck and so on..

If say Sam Jackson pulled a Mel Gibson he would never work again..

Ann Coulters newest book is all about how there are no racists. Racists are apparently a figment of the liberals' imagination.

 

[Professor Beef]

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

I scored 50! Yay!

 

[Platy]

"Privilege is invisible to those who have it."

That is a VERY good video =D

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

LOL ... but just for laughs I tried to make.... and didn't knew what to put on country. South America enters on what ?

But without country .. I got -620 =D

My favorite is probably gay taking SO MUCH POINTS and ... ALSO liking women gives you 10 points.
And we all know that there are even gay people who say bissexual people are gays who are afraid to go full gay

edit :

If an Asian or Latino candidate's son had said they wanted to take a swing at a white candidate, you think there would have been more media attention? How do you know this?

First the USA would NEVER have a latino candidate, but yes, I think there would be more media attention simply because they are not white.
"That mexican who steal our jobs want to beat up the president for their fallen cumpadres" would be something along the headline

Spoiler

's subliminal message

 

[Baconsammy]

I love getting bonus points for being tall. Thanks mom and dad.

 

[poppabk]

I don't know about there being inherit racial implications to what the guy said, but it is certainly true that if Obama had an adult son who said the opposite thing, Fox News would FLIP THE FUCK OUT FOR WEEKS about it.

And it would have zero to do with race and 100% to do with which party the respective people are in.

 

[Blackace]

Not relevant to the point.

Completely relevant to the point of white privilege

 

[theignoramus]

This.

Any slight whiff of racism by a white person and you will get buried by the media, and rightly so ....... but to say a white person can say what they want without fear or retribution is a lie.


All in all the son of a presidential candidate says he wanted to swing for his fathers opponent, seemingly in an off the cuff joking manner.

The only time race is was brought into it was by the author of the article.

Rush Limbaugh still eats. Mike Savage. Fox News. the Republican Party...

 

[Lionheart1337]

There's no way you're going to convince me that someone named "Tagg" is privileged in any way.

 

[Blackace]

There's no way you're going to convince me that someone named "Tagg" is privileged in any way.

How much is he worth again?

He could buy 16 Joshes if that makes you feel better

 

[Yasae]

See my previous post that you quoted, in which I posed some questions.

The author says if the roles were reversed that the media would be on fire and the black man talking about punching Mitt Romney would be demonized. He says that the reality of that is an example of white privilege.

If any of my questions are true, then how is what the author says not true?

Really now...

 

[NBtoaster]

There's no way you're going to convince me that someone named "Tagg" is privileged in any way.

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

Wacky name -1000?

 

[Trent Strong]

Not really true at all. People have huge careers launched off the backs of racism.. Rush, Beck and so on..

If say Sam Jackson pulled a Mel Gibson he would never work again..

Ice Cube has a song called 'White Cave Bitch', where he talks about how much he hates white women, and it didn't seem to hurt his career.

 

[poppabk]

Stop referencing the syntax of what Tagg did or didn't say, or did or didn't mean. It has nothing to do with the point.

Are black people regarded differently in American society? Why is that? Does it have a historical context? If any of the questions I just posed above are true, than how is what the author of the article said untrue?

By this logic any action of any white person is 'white privilege'. And if so it is a completely meaningless term.

 

[Blackace]

Ice Cube has a song called 'White Cave Bitch', where he talks about how much he hates white women, and it didn't seem to hurt his career.

True, rappers have always gotten a bit of a pass for saying whatever they wish... but few can say what Cube has said and somehow turn themselves into a mainstream entertainer..

But for every 1 Ice Cubes there are 10 Rushes...

 

[Karakand]

Wacky name -1000?

Coercively assigned Tagg at birth.

 

[Socreges]

Completely relevant to the point of white privilege

Last I checked this thread (and my post) was about a particular case and its implications, not white privilege generally.

But if you were interjecting just to make that separate point, I totally agree that it's relevant (mixed with other factors such as proportion of population).

 

[lunarworks]

I loathe the term "White Privilege", but yeah... Romney does seem to be the poster boy of what it stands for.

 

[Baconsammy]

Barry Bonds vs Lance Armstrong

Barry was never given the benefit of the doubt. Lance given all the benefit of the doubt. Could be racial, or it could be that Barry was a notorious douchebag.

 

[Blackace]

Last I checked this thread (and my post) was about a particular case and its implications, not white privilege generally.

But if you were interjecting just to make that separate point, I totally agree that it's relevant (mixed with other factors such as proportion of population).

Your point was if a non-white such as a Latnio or Asian made the same comment how would we know how the media would react who is to say that they wouldn't just do the same thing they did with Tagg...

The fact that we have no way of having a chance of knowing kind of puts the term white privilege in perspective

 

[GhostWriter24]

This is one occasion in which the word "cunt" on GAF is completely justified.

He's a cunt, plain and simple.

 

[Nameless]

Unfortunate article. Sirota brings a discussion to the table that needs to be had more often, but even if his chosen example wasn't a bit flimsy, his framing leaves a lot to be desired in both tone & rhetoric. I say unfortunate because a valid premise is devalued when it's argued for so poorly.

 

[Professor Beef]

Ice Cube has a song called 'White Cave Bitch', where he talks about how much he hates white women, and it didn't seem to hurt his career.

Conversely, Eminem's career took a hit over the controversy of him using the word "faggot" so often.

Barry Bonds vs Lance Armstrong

Barry was never given the benefit of the doubt. Lance given all the benefit of the doubt. Could be racial, or it could be that Barry was a notorious douchebag.

Barry was a twig for years, and then he suddenly ballooned up. Of course people were going to be suspicious.

 

[theignoramus]

I dont think that op is a good example of white privilege, it's just some dickhead running his mouth. but on the general topic bout white privilege, it aint about having a silver spoon its about not having to put up with the kind of shit related to being a minority.

 

[Baconsammy]

Conversely, Eminem's career took a hit over the controversy of him using the word "faggot" so often.


Barry was a twig for years, and then he suddenly ballooned up. Of course people were going to be suspicious.

And everyone and his mother was accusing Lance of cheating for years. Lance's drugs of choice don't change your size.

 

[theignoramus]

Conversely, Eminem's career took a hit over the controversy of him using the word "faggot" so often.


Barry was a twig for years, and then he suddenly ballooned up. Of course people were going to be suspicious.

what hit? lot of people jawed about it, but how did it negatively impact him? He did his duo with Elton, made a movie and won an oscar. the controversy probably helped his record sales.

 

[Professor Beef]

what hit? lot of people jawed about it, but how did it negatively impact him? He did his duo with Elton, made a movie and won an oscar. the controversy probably helped his record sales.

I didn't say it hit him for very long. I probably should've mentioned that though. That's my bad.

 

[Blackace]

Hip-Hop is unique in the standard that you can say almost anything..selling crack? OK! pimping hoes? OK! Not using your AK-47? OK!

 

[Baconsammy]

Hip-Hop is unique in the standard that you can say almost anything..selling crack? OK! pimping hoes? OK! Not using your AK-47? OK!

Unless you're Common and you're invited to the White House. Then it's the end of the world.

 

[Professor Beef]

Hip-Hop is unique in the standard that you can say almost anything..selling crack? OK! pimping hoes? OK! Not using your AK-47? OK!

That's because nobody thinks it's real...well, that's what I thought until that Rick Ross thread. :|

 

[Zhengi]

Wow, what a terrible article in the OP. Nothing the guy said was remotely racist at all. And white people in power don't get attacked? Weren't a lot of people making fun of Bush having a shoe thrown at him? Terrible, terrible article.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Unless you're Common and you're invited to the White House. Then it's the end of the world.

But that one time he said...something offensive to someone!

Wow, what a terrible article in the OP. Nothing the guy said was remotely racist at all.

good thing we (and the article) are talking about the freedoms and benefits provided by white privilege and not racism then, huh?

 

[thetrin]

Hold up.

I was gonna do the whole "conservative troll" bit, but there are people that aren't agreeing with what the article said?

In a nation that has an unnatural fear of young black men?

Where Trayvon Martin happened?
Where Blacks and Mexicans cannot wear hoodies because they will look like gang members?
Where Barack Obama is accused of being born and raised in Kenya and a secret Muslim?
Where there are shirts worn at rallies that say "put the White back in White House?"
Where a state politician thinks Blacks should be thankful for slavery and gets to keep his job?

Like, for realz? You guys think that if one of Barack's daughters said she wanted to clock Mitt a few weeks ago, the media wouldn't be shitting all over it?

No, you see, because some white people can't find jobs, so that means white privelege doesn't exist. Impeccable logic.

I dont think that op is a good example of white privilege, it's just some dickhead running his mouth. but on the general topic bout white privilege, it aint about having a silver spoon its about not having to put up with the kind of shit related to being a minority.

Absolutely, though most people will either never read your comment or process what you posted. Sad, really.

 

[Blackace]

Unless you're Common and you're invited to the White House. Then it's the end of the world.

I never had dinner with the president! I never had dinner with the president!

 

[To Far Away Times]

Barry Bonds vs Lance Armstrong

Barry was never given the benefit of the doubt. Lance given all the benefit of the doubt. Could be racial, or it could be that Barry was a notorious douchebag.

Barry Bonds is a douchebag. He treats the media/fans like shit.

Lance Armstrong overcomes his battle with cancer. Livestrong foundation and all that.

A beloved black athlete, like Ken Griffey Jr., would get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Zhengi]

good thing we (and the article) are talking about the freedoms and benefits provided by white privilege and not racism then, huh?

What part is talking about the freedoms and benefits provided by white privilege? If the guy had said anything remotely racist, he would be eviscerated in the media. Nothing pertaining to white privilege would grant him that freedom or benefit.

 

[Xenon]

One of the hallmarks of White Privilege is the unquestioned and largely unchallenged assumption that white people can say heinous things about people of color without blowback or even mild criticism

holy shit, ahahahaha. Its like a literal version of a negative.


The question was was how he wanted to react to the President calling his dad a liar. He made a joking, yet still stupid comment. Why was the question left out of the article? Why do we always get partial quotes for these types of stories? It's just stupid.


Finally it's sad that some people are always going to see color in these types of situations. So even though Obama has the highest office in the land, somebodies going to try to paint him as a victim. Get the fuck out of here... Should this man go to jail for a dumb joke?


An argument could be made about the lack of respect for out commander and chief, but that shipped sailed during Clinton's second term.

 

[Conciliator]

And it would have zero to do with race and 100% to do with which party the respective people are in.

Zero is a bit of a stretch. Let's say 20%.

 

[NeoUltima]

No doubt, if one of the Obama children said the same thing about Romney, Fox News would jump all over it. That is a case of Fox News catering to a conservative, racist, and Obama hating audience. But I doubt you would see MSNBC/CNN running stories about it.

My point being, I don't like this general term "white privilege". If you see racist shit, call it out. Don't use a stereotyping term like white privilege. If you have to stereotype, say "minority disadvantage" instead since that is unlikely to offend anyone, but still gets the same point across.

But maybe the term is suppose to offend people to draw attention to the issues...

(also I would be shocked if MSNBC is not running stories on this)

 

[Joel Was Right]

Tagg Romney, grandson of George Romney, son of Mitt Romney, is the latest flesh-and-blood embodiment of White Privilege on the national presidential stage. Though that stage has historically been a catwalk for the whitest and most privileged in the world, Tagg is in a class few achieve. With his lineage and his inherited wealth he equals George W. Bush when it comes to getting advantages by virtue of nothing more than whose crotch he popped out of in the hospital delivery room.

Now, thanks to his comments yesterday, he has surpassed even Bush, becoming not just an image of White Privilege – but an example of how that privilege quietly operates in too much of America.

In a post-debate interview with a North Carolina radio station, Tagg was asked about his visceral reaction to President Obama, and he said his first thought was that he wanted to “jump out of your seat and you want to rush down to the stage and take a swing at him.” He then laughed and added, “But you know you can’t do that because, well, first because there’s a lot of Secret Service between you and him.”

One of the hallmarks of White Privilege is the unquestioned and largely unchallenged assumption that white people can say heinous things about people of color without blowback or even mild criticism – things that people of color rarely dare to say about white people, for fear of serious retribution. Tagg – aka Mr. White Privilege – proves the point perfectly. He feels totally comfortable fantasizing about committing physical violence against an African American man. And remember, he’s not just any white guy pondering such grotesque dreams. On the contrary, he’s one of the public faces of a national presidential campaign appearing in a public media interview, meaning White Privilege has made him feel so comfortable airing such notions, that he didn’t hesitate to whimsically broadcast them to thousands of voters.

To know that’s a reflection of the new intensity of White Privilege is to witness the relatively muted reaction to the episode from a media that otherwise treats every microscopic nuance of the presidential race as a “breaking news” event. What’s more, this is a country where, whether in an election season or not, any threat of violence against any president of either party is a potential federal crime and thus covered as a major news story. That is, of course, before Obama, a black man, became president, and representatives of his white opponent started joking about physically harming him.

If that’s not enough proof that this episode is a profound example of the pervasiveness of White Privilege, then simply go through the mental exercise of switching the races. Ask yourself: Would the media reaction be similarly muted if a young black male relative of Obama appeared on a radio show and publicly fantasized about violently bludgeoning Mitt Romney? No, it would be the opposite. It would be a multi-day, above-the-fold, 100-point-typeface story initially fueled by Drudge, Fox News and right-wing radio hosts, and then pervading the network news shows. We’d soon see headlines about security beefing up around Romney and his entourage, as staid Face the Nation and Meet the Press panels – populated by mostly white faces, of course – paternalistically lamented the “race issue” in America.

Now sure, Tagg maybe wouldn’t actually bludgeon Obama to a bloody pulp if given the chance. Most likely, he’d refrain from doing so out of aristocratic respect for what he calls “the nature of the process” – and even more likely, he’d respond to criticism of his remark by simply saying he wasn’t being “serious.” But what Tagg would do in the secret confines of his fictional Obama beat-down chamber is not important, and using the “not serious” defense only underscores the White Privilege at work, for that defense wouldn’t be accepted if the races were reversed.



Thus, it all comes back to White Privilege. This little episode and the lack of reaction to it confirms Tagg’s – and much of White America’s – unspoken day-to-day assumption that there should be two standards of acceptable decorum: one for privileged white people, another for everyone else.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/18/tagg_romney_mr_white_privilege/


Radion Interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mJBae24IVM

What a load of nonsense. I'm not sure which is more ridiculous - an entire piece based on "omg, Romney's son doesn't like Obama" or how that is now translated as indicative of a mindset based on racial/cultural norms. Rather than trying to convince the reader of his incomplete and generalised ambiguity, the author instead portrays himself/herself as having an obsession with 'the white man'. And this part,

One of the hallmarks of White Privilege is the unquestioned and largely unchallenged assumption that white people can say heinous things about people of color without blowback or even mild criticism

There are no words. This could easily past as satire.

 

[Zabka]

Barry Bonds vs Lance Armstrong

Barry was never given the benefit of the doubt. Lance given all the benefit of the doubt. Could be racial, or it could be that Barry was a notorious douchebag.

Americans actually watch and care about baseball.

I'd be interested to find out how many Americans actually saw Lance race outside of highlight reels.

 

[ronito]

Par for the course for Mormons? Paging ronito.

not par for course. There are some silly names, Mahonri, Lamar, Teancum (yes really).

But those are just stupid.

 

[not psycho]

What part is talking about the freedoms and benefits provided by white privilege? If the guy had said anything remotely racist, he would be eviscerated in the media. Nothing pertaining to white privilege would grant him that freedom or benefit.

White privilege is about white being considered "neutral" or "default." It isn't about White people doing anything bad.

The privilege is that Tagg can say something like this as a joke without worrying about scaring anyone: there are no angry White man stereotypes for him to avoid. It won't prompt a discussion of violence in "White culture." He's just Tagg, some guy who made a joke. An individual speaking for himself.

If Obama had a 42 year old son you can bet he would not feel comfortable saying he wanted to punch Romney on national tv. He would know the stereotypes it would bring up, the dialogue it would start, etc.

By the way "minority disadvantage" does not mean the same thing as "White privilege." White privilege is White being default, so Tagg is "some guy", and if he was Black he would be "some Black guy." It has to be called White Privilege, or White Defaulting, or White as Neutral, or whatever, because that is what it means.

 

[Baconsammy]

White privilege is about white being considered "neutral" or "default." It isn't about White people doing anything bad.

The privilege is that Tagg can say something like this as a joke without worrying about scaring anyone: there are no angry White man stereotypes for him to avoid. It won't prompt a discussion of violence in "White culture." He's just Tagg, some guy who made a joke. An individual speaking for himself.

If Obama had a 42 year old son you can bet he would not feel comfortable saying he wanted to punch Romney on national tv. He would know the stereotypes it would bring up, the dialogue it would start, etc.

By the way "minority disadvantage" does not mean the same thing as "White privilege." White privilege is White being default, so Tagg is "some guy", and if he was Black he would be "some Black guy." It has to be called White Privilege, or White Defaulting, or White as Neutral, or whatever, because that is what it means.

Tell that to Clint Eastwood. "Angry old white man yells at invisible black man. Tells him to get off his chair."

 

[MWS Natural]

Lol when I saw your Comment, I figured it was about this topic before i clicked it. Fucking Exactly the reason why! smh

Haha, you got me.

What a load of nonsense. I'm not sure which is more ridiculous - an entire piece based on "omg, Romney's son doesn't like Obama" or how that is now translated as indicative of a mindset based on racial/cultural norms. Rather than trying to convince the reader of his incomplete and generalised ambiguity, the author instead portrays himself/herself as having an obsession with 'the white man'. And this part,


There are no words. This could easily past as satire.

So he has an obsession with......himself? Is this some sort of hidden God complex you have discovered?

 

[akira28]

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

Can I reroll my character? And where's the attribute sheet?

 

[Veezy]

What a load of nonsense. I'm not sure which is more ridiculous - an entire piece based on "omg, Romney's son doesn't like Obama" or how that is now translated as indicative of a mindset based on racial/cultural norms. Rather than trying to convince the reader of his incomplete and generalised ambiguity, the author instead portrays himself/herself as having an obsession with 'the white man'. And this part,


There are no words. This could easily past as satire.

Barack Obama was accused of being a non American citizen. When his birth certificate was presented to the public, the second time, it was analyzed up and down for "evidence" that it was a fake.

The media at large either discussed the topic or simply didn't discuss it, but there wasn't a wide spread "are you fucking kidding me how would that even happen" series of moments on television.

You don't think that has a tad bit to do with him being Black? Would those accusations fly with a White president?