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[KtSlime]

Man knows what's up.

I've never seen that movie (The Road to El Dorado), but how would that work? How would the natives have been influenced by Latin culture if they just came in contact with Spaniards a few years prior?

charsace: I think you misread my post. Mitchell misspoke, he should have said "mother from country with Latin influence" not "Latina".

 

[antonz]

I wish those complaining would actually detail what not latina enough means. Complainer Ana Flores is as white as the princess is practically and even says her daughter looks a lot like the princess.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

because people bitch, moan and shout racism if they don't do different ethnicities.

Yea, brown people need to shut up.

 

[Sickboy007]

I deem this to be a non problem.

 

[shira]

because people bitch, moan and shout racism if they don't do different ethnicities.

Cameron, so ahead of the game.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Cameron, so ahead of the game.

Fake CGI cat people don't count as a race. Plus, they wouldn't have won if it wasn't for their glorious white leader.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

People from Spain don't considered themselves to be Latino. Latin is a term used for spanish speaking people from places close to the US.

Pretty much this.

You know... I was going to say something but then I stopped caring before I started typing. The entire issue is just dumb.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Yea, brown people need to shut up.

im just saying people shouldn't try getting races forced in, wait till they have a perfect set up for them like Mulan, Pocahontas and Aladdin.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

im just saying people shouldn't try getting races forced in, wait till they have a perfect set up for them like Mulan, Pocahontas and Aladdin.

...why were the times those were released perfect?

 

[KtSlime]

...why were the times those were released perfect?

I think Razgriz-Specter is talking about the story. Rather than invent a story all together (which this appears to be), maybe they should use a fairy tale/story native to some Latino country to introduce a Latina Princess.

 

[Nesotenso]

Well Latinos can be white.

 

[MWS Natural]

Because people bitch, moan and shout racism if they don't do different ethnicities.
that was all I remember hearing before Princess and the Frog.

Are sensible white people embarrassed by people like this?

 

[charsace]

Cameron, so ahead of the game.

Catish people finally getting represented in films. Hurray!

im just saying people shouldn't try getting races forced in, wait till they have a perfect set up for them like Mulan, Pocahontas and Aladdin.

I know right. Everyone in film and literature should be white unless they are doing something ethic themed.

 

[gutter_trash]

Latino is not a race.

You have European descendant Latinos,
you have native descendant Latinos,
you have African descendant Latinos.

and mixes from the above.

 

[Paranerd]

In the story, Sofia's mother, Queen Miranda, was born in a fictitious land, Galdiz, a place with Latin influences. Miranda met Sofia's father, Birk Balthazar, who hailed from the kingdom of Freezenberg, and together they moved to Enchancia, where Sofia was born.

I don't have a problem with them making her mixed heritage, but it is a bit strange that Disney is touting this as the first Latina princess and are choosing an actress with no Latin background (correct me if I'm wrong, but this was stated in the OP's link).

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I think Razgriz-Specter is talking about the story. Rather than invent a story all together (which this appears to be), maybe they should use a fairy tale/story native to some Latino country to introduce a Latina Princess.

I don't think I ever implied that there should be a cartoon with fantasy latinos. In fact the fantasy aspect of the story makes this a little harder to swallow.

There are tons of things to base a children's movie on in latin countries, they haven't just been napping and mowing lawns for the past few centuries.

 

[gutter_trash]

2dnly, watch Mexican TV shows, Mexican news and Mexican commercials. It's white Mexicans that dominate Mexican TV

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

...why were the times those were released perfect?

because the setting, story, etc served to help the characters making it better overall.

 

[trineo_feo]

People from Spain don't considered themselves to be Latino. Latin is a term used for spanish speaking people from places close to the US.

That's not entirely true.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

2dnly, watch Mexican TV shows, Mexican news and Mexican commercials. It's white Mexicans that dominate Mexican TV

There's a reason for that.

 

[Pau]

I wish those complaining would actually detail what not latina enough means. Complainer Ana Flores is as white as the princess is practically and even says her daughter looks a lot like the princess.

The reason people like Ana Flores are using to complain about it is pretty offensive considering there is no such thing as not "latina enough." But there are some of us who are complaining because this was a missed opportunity to be more diverse in terms of what a protagonist/princess can look like. And it adds to the idea that if given the chance, a lighter complexion is always preferred.

im just saying people shouldn't try getting races forced in, wait till they have a perfect set up for them like Mulan, Pocahontas and Aladdin.

Except the original story of Aladdin takes place in China, so it wasn't even a perfect set up.

 

[gutter_trash]

Cuba, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay have huge populations of Euro descent Latinos that are just white.

God Job USA for creating a race does is not a race

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

because the setting, story, etc served to help the characters making it better overall.

Why do I feel that your next post is gonna be really really racist?

Mulan's story was set in ancient china, Pochontas in 1700s and Jasmine's in arabia centries ago. They weren't recent and they were mostly made up. Imagnation and creativity doesn't end at the souther border.

 

[Czigga]

This thread is racist. There are lots of fair skinned latinos.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

We need more brown skinned main characters.

 

[charsace]

That's not entirely true.

Yes, it is true. People from Spain are Spanish.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Cuba, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay have huge populations of Euro descent Latinos that are just white.

God Job USA for creating a race does is not a race

When the suits in the USA think of "latinos" as a demographic to cater they don't think of anything below the Yucatán peninsula.

 

[gutter_trash]

Yes, it is true. People from Spain are Spanish.

and Spanish people also have a variety of mix within Spain through invasions in the past 2000 years from Celtic settlers, Greek traders, Roman Empire, Germanic tribes and the Moors.

Then in colonialisation to the West, came Europeans (white), who mixed with the locals (Natives), then in areas where Natives got wiped out, they brought African slaves to replace the dead Native slaves

but but but in USA profiling, they are all just ONE race LOL

 

[Socreges]

I know fair-skinned Latinos. I don't think I've ever met a brown-haired, light-skinned, blue-eyed Latino, though. But they did say that she's 'half-Latina', so they've given themselves an out.

Why even say Latina? Just don't label it at all.

So they can promote their brand as 'culturally diverse' and draw in more Latino viewers.

Yet they've made her white enough to not turn away white people/children who wouldn't be as interested in a Latina princess.

Ah well.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

"White" or fair skinned Latina's have the other Disney princesses to emulate.



Where this will really hurt though is the merchandising. parents are going to want to buy merchandise that their child can identify with. That's why it was so important to introduce the Frog Princess - black parents have a princess their daughter can identify with physically.

Introducing a latina princess only to make her as lily white as the rest of them was stupid on Disney's part.

 

[Kinyou]

The mother looks Latino, but the dad and kids don't.

Femshep playing Cinderella though? :/

BAHAHA

BWAHAHAHAHA

BWHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[KillGore]

Cuba, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay have huge populations of Euro descent Latinos that are just white.

God Job USA for creating a race does is not a race

Puerto Rico too (76%) [vs Cuba's 65%] but I guess the amount of americans here raises that % in PR

Edit: Damn, didn't realize Uruguay was 88% white.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

"White" or fair skinned Latina's have the other Disney princesses to emulate.

Introducing a latina princess only to make her as lily white as the rest of them was stupid on Disney's part.

absolutely.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Why do I feel that your next post is gonna be really really racist?

Mulan's story was set in ancient china, Pochontas in 1700s and Jasmine's in arabia centries ago. They weren't recent and they were mostly made up. Imagnation and creativity doesn't end at the souther border.

I will break my meaning down as easy as I can.

Do
start out with whatever 'fairy tale'(from anywhere) they want/find interesting, develop from there.

Don't
"We need a .... princess, lets make a movie"
"We need a .... princess, lets edit this already completed script and throw her in"

 

[A.E Suggs]

Don't worry in the future this will be a thing of the past when we can tamper with DNA enough to make everyone on earth one color. I'm sure that will solve everything, or create more problems when people just want to be another color.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I will break my meaning down as easy as I can.

Do
start out with whatever 'fairy tale'(from anywhere) they want/find interesting, develop from there.

Don't
"We need a .... princess, lets make a movie"
"We need a .... princess, lets edit this already completed script and throw her in"

neither of those things are happening.

 

[Devolution]

I think people are getting muddied in the fact that Latinos can come in so many shades. The point is Disney could add more brown instead of another girl with a pale complexion so that the gamut is more varied not less.

 

[trineo_feo]

Yes, it is true. People from Spain are Spanish.

Yeah, and people from Mexico are Mexicans. Your point being?

Being latino is not about country of origin or race, is about certain culture similarities. We, in Spain, do consider ourselves part of the latin world.

 

[7Th]

Does it really matter if she looks latina or not? It's a fucking direct-to-TV movie; she was irrelevant from inception!

 

[Izick]

Ben Affleck played Antonio Mendez in Argo.

 

[KtSlime]

I don't think I ever implied that there should be a cartoon with fantasy latinos. In fact the fantasy aspect of the story makes this a little harder to swallow.

There are tons of things to base a children's movie on in latin countries, they haven't just been napping and mowing lawns for the past few centuries.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, my comment was solely about what I thought Razgriz-Specter was trying to communicate. I don't think that at all, I know there is a wealth of excellent literature and cultural heritage from countries heavily influenced by Spain (I'm an anthropologist). Maybe I am having a really off day and am not writing what I intend to be saying. I think the fantasy world makes it hard to say she is Latina as well, wouldn't she be an Enchancian, subject to the culture she grew up in, with influence from the Galdizian culture her mother is part of (we have no idea what any of this means since none of us has seen the show)? I suspect due to Disney's silence on this, that she actually isn't a Latina princess, and Mitchell is just ignorant that doesn't know what Latino means, using it as an adjective for "influence from a Latin country" It seems pretty evident to me that Princess Sophia is modeled after Spain's queen Sophia.

Can anyone find a source of Disney saying she is Latina outside of Mitchell's quote? I'm rather curious if this is all just a misunderstanding.

 

[Kinyou]

Does it really matter if she looks latina or not? It's a fucking direct-to-TV movie; she was irrelevant from inception!

Yeah, she's not even canon!

 

[Jackben]

Arguments about irrelevancy kind of go out the window if you read the article and realize that Disney specifically released press statements talking about how she is "Latina" and comes from a land with "latin origins".

They were the ones who decided to add that context into their film, so they deserve any feedback they get about it.

 

[Buddha Beam]

I assume Disney will solve this problem the sensible way – by replacing their crowns with sombreros, they'll have thick accents and they'll ride donkeys instead of horses.

Stereotypes! Yeah!

 

[Socreges]

Some Spaniards may consider themselves Latino (not many), but when we use the term we are referring exclusively to Latin Americans.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

neither of those things are happening.

I don't know thats just what this seemed like to me, probably wrong have to see what people say once it releases.

 

[IceCold]

The real Latins are from Lazio. The rest are just imposters.

 

[GManDH]

disney will have a latin princess. they had an african american one, the next one is going to be latin. give it time, and dont be offended.

 

[Tornado Condor]

2dnly, watch Mexican TV shows, Mexican news and Mexican commercials. It's white Mexicans that dominate Mexican TV

As a light-skinned Mexican, i agree.

 

[Jackben]

FWIW my co-worker's old school Filipino grandma made her play inside because she didn't want her to get too much of a tan since she would be seen as working class.

People will find excuses for discrimination regardless of diversity apparently.