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[nVidiot_Whore]

Since the main gay rights issues GENERALLY are at the State level, I imagine many gays aren't as concerned with the Presidents position on the issue.

It's not like gay people are automatically liberal. Being turned on by the same sex isn't, in fact, progressive.

Which is why stories like this CAN have an affect.. I imagine enough disturbing statements could sway someone otherwise not considering the "gay" issue at the National level.

 

[phosphor112]

Most likely for fiscal reasons. That's why the gay Repubs I know vote for them. And I love it. They support a party who literally campaigns on denying them civil rights.

Even if they believe in his fiscal policies, they still won't be able to use all the exemptions and rights they have to help them financially like a conservative defined marriage would.

Brilliance at it's finest...

 

[Neuromancer]

It's not right on paper.

It's not right in fact.

IN FACT.

 

[Sai-kun]

What a stupid mother fucker.

 

[LosDaddie]

Even if they believe in his fiscal policies, they still won't be able to use all the exemptions and rights they have to help them financially like a conservative defined marriage would.

Brilliance at it's finest...

Right, but many believe it's a STATES RIGHTS issue that will "work itself out" in the end. That's what GAF's famous gay libertarian argues, anyway.

Again, I love it. Absolutely love it. They support a party where a (very) large portion of it hate gays.

 

[Kusagari]

But I thought Mitt was great for the gays as governor!

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Even if they believe in his fiscal policies, they still won't be able to use all the exemptions and rights they have to help them financially like a conservative defined marriage would.

Brilliance at it's finest...

And Obama isn't doing anything at the federal level to change that for gays.

Romney would be unlikely too as well. It would be Congress in the first place who changed any federal law.

A homosexual looking to secure their rights would be more likely concerned with State or other local elections and initiatives.

Right, but many believe it's a STATES RIGHTS issue that will "work itself out" in the end. That's what GAF's famous gay libertarian argues, anyway.

Again, I love it. Absolutely love it. They support a party where a (very) large portion of it hate gays.

It's MOSTLY effectively a States Rights issue.

Unless there is some big campaign to change federal laws I'm unaware of. Nobody is changing much at the federal level.

DOMA being about the only thing I can think of.. and no one is really campaigning to change much there.

 

[Rayis]

gay fiscal conservatives should vote for a better candidate like Gary Jonhnson instead of Romney, he has the fiscal policies they want AND the gay rights as well, talk about uninformed voters

 

[phosphor112]

And Obama isn't doing anything at the federal level to change that for gays.

Romney would be unlikely too as well. It would be Congress in the first place who changed any federal law.

A homosexual looking to secure their rights would be more likely concerned with State or other local elections and initiatives.

It's not easy to pass many laws, especially when it involves homosexuals and their rights, in congress when everything gets shot down to hell. Sure, he hasn't even proposed anything yet, but he still would like a chance to win second term.

 

[Apath]

Would you happen to know the reason? I'm always curious about such self-loathing behavior.

My friend told me for fiscal reasons. I don't know her well enough to discuss her political views and not be rude, so I've never really found out, outside of the previously mentioned vague statement.

 

[speculawyer]

I don't think it's self-loathing, most likely that other issues are more important to them than their own rights as a gay person, regardless, Mitt is crazy and no one should vote for him, and I hope America can overcome its homophobic tendencies

What are these 'other issues'?

Generally, it would seem to come down to economic issues. So how much of an economic difference would it make to a person if Romney or Obama were elected? Generally, not much.

But let's assume the believe that VooDoo-economics works and they believe they'll get a 20% increase in take home pay. These people are willing to sell-out their self-respect and civil rights for a 20% increase in take-home pay? I call that self-loathing. Or at least greed.

My friend told me for fiscal reasons. I don't know her well enough to discuss her political views and not be rude, so I've never really found out, outside of the previously mentioned vague statement.

That's what I thought. I know some people like that. I find it quite pathetic. They are willing to elect holier-than-thou moralizers that shit on them for prospect of a few more bucks. I find that sad. What's going price on a person's self-respect these days?

 

[Tenck]

Can't wait for election day. I want to see how many people vote for this guy.

 

[Takamura-San]

I hope you like your next president america. You deserve it.

I have come to terms that Romney is going to win this election.

Nothing reported on him has made a dent on the polls.

There's no hope for this country.

 

[RagnarokX]

Studies have shown that same sex parents are healthier for child development than single parents. Should we ban single-parent children from getting documents? After all, children have a right to have two parents. They should be punished for having deadbeat fathers or mothers.

Also lol at Romney taking a jab at "it takes a village".

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Would you happen to know the reason? I'm always curious about such self-loathing behavior.

Every politician has bad points (even Obama, he just happens to be less bad than Romney). Perhaps they support Romney's other policies and are willing to overlook the bigotry because they feel the country would be better under him. Not that I share the same sentiment (in fact i'm the opposite - the personal impact of a politician means more to me than the grand scale), but I can see where they are coming from.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

It's not easy to pass many laws, especially when it involves homosexuals and their rights, in congress when everything gets shot down to hell. Sure, he hasn't even proposed anything yet, but he still would like a chance to win second term.

The President is still quite limited and doesn't have a large affect on gay rights at the Federal level.

I just don't think it's right to insult all homosexuals who would vote for a GOP President.

Gung-ho GOP supporters at all levels seem odd to me.. but in the National election the issues are different than a local election. I imagine many gays would be weary of voting Mitt Romney as Governor of their own State based on his record, but might feel strongly enough about other issues, and consider the fact that the POTUS has less potential to affect their rights and cast a vote that direction.

 

[R-User!]

Which is like half of the USA.

About half of half I believe.... Still

 

[Kai Dracon]

Breaking news from years ago but even so, let me just say:

Fuck you, old white man. Fuck you and everything you stand for. Fuck your wholesome conservative families with their ham fisted daddies who beat their gay children and kick them out on the street. Fuck your claims to moral superiority when wholesome straight couples are as much the poster children for divorce and spousal abuse as anyone else's form of inhumanity. Fuck your entire degenerate culture and that's just related to the homophobic parts. I don't have time today to write the fucking novel required to cover the rest of it.

To the people of the future, enjoy your world where men like this and his retrograde kinsman are known only as curious figures in your holographic history files. You should be able to find them sorted by genre. The one with the upstanding moral crusaders who ran re-education schools for Navajo children that took their names away, and the people who put civilians into fenced camps because their eyes were the wrong shape.

 

[i-Lo]

Damn gay & women's right getting between repubs & their rightful place in Whitehouse. It is right on Paper and right In fact.

 

[Kusagari]

The President is still quite limited and doesn't have a large affect on gay rights at the Federal level.

I just don't think it's right to insult all homosexuals who would vote for a GOP President.

Gung-ho GOP supporters at all levels seem odd to me.. but in the National election the issues are different than a local election. I imagine many gays would be weary of voting Mitt Romney as Governor of their own State based on his record, but might feel strongly enough about other issues, and consider the fact that the POTUS has less potential to affect their rights and cast a vote that direction.

I wouldn't want Romney probably nominating anti-gay justices, like Scalia, to the court if I was gay.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Can't wait until this election is over

But I guess if Romney wins - we will still get these threads nonstop

Hmm, maybe when Republicans stop treating gays like second class citizens the threads will stop.

 

[TheKaeptain]

I can't wait for one of his sons to come out.

 

[Mollymauk]

Daily Romney is dumb/bad/evil thread

It gets reaffirmed on a daily basis.

 

[Duffyside]

Not that I can convince anyone, but it is always fun to see the meltdowns;

I'm troubled people are only concerned with the same-sex parents, and not the child, though you would think I wouldn't be since that's a common theme for the entire country -- to view children more like property than individuals with very important, delicate rights.

The idea that all people have a right to know who they come from strikes me as absolutely true, and that the social agenda for "gay rights" would trump that is more than a little irksome. And before anyone asks; yes, I would be in favor of laws preventing anonymous sperm donation, so that if a single woman were to become pregnant, the child could still know who their father is.

Still, the right approach would seem to be to have spots on the Birth Certificate for the father and mother, but then additional categories for "additional guardian, married to mother (or father)" or something of that nature. In the end, this doesn't seem like a big deal at all, and if reported at say FoxNews, could actually help Romney.

But, this is coming from a guy who really likes fast food chicken sandwiches, so, y'know... go crazy.

 

[Macattk15]

In before Pctx defense force!

Oh and Fuck Romney.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I wouldn't want Romney probably nominating anti-gay justices, like Scalia, to the court if I was gay.

A good point to make to homosexuals considering voting GOP, for sure.

- Supreme Court
- Potential changes to DOMA and/or it's enforcement
- DOJ does have some say in certain court proceedings

I can't think of much else.. it would be a good thing to write up and inform homosexual voters about.

I still don't think it's right to insult all homosexuals considering Romney (as some have done in this thread, mostly with sarcasm, nothing too serious, but it's still insulting.)

 

[TheJollyCorner]

man, Obama-GAF is in overdrive now with less than a week to go before election.

Seems like dozens of anti-Romney/GOP threads popping up on a 30 minute basis.

 

[diehard]

man, Obama-GAF is in overdrive now with less than a week to go before election.

Seems like dozens of anti-Romney/GOP threads popping up on a 30 minute basis.

oh man if Romney wins the meltdowns will be glorious.

 

[Forever]

oh man if Romney wins the meltdowns will be glorious.

And if he loses I look forward to your suicide.

 

[Mercury Fred]

man, Obama-GAF is in overdrive now with less than a week to go before election.

Seems like dozens of anti-Romney/GOP threads popping up on a 30 minute basis.

Well, it's not like the regressive mouthbreathers that make up the GOP aren't supplying an endless amount of material.

 

[soco]

God's will!

 

[Majine]

It Romney wins, you kinda deserve to be passed by China.

 

[levious]

Not that I can convince anyone, but it is always fun to see the meltdowns;

I'm troubled people are only concerned with the same-sex parents, and not the child, though you would think I wouldn't be since that's a common theme for the entire country -- to view children more like property than individuals with very important, delicate rights.

The idea that all people have a right to know who they come from strikes me as absolutely true, and that the social agenda for "gay rights" would trump that is more than a little irksome. And before anyone asks; yes, I would be in favor of laws preventing anonymous sperm donation, so that if a single woman were to become pregnant, the child could still know who their father is.

Still, the right approach would seem to be to have spots on the Birth Certificate for the father and mother, but then additional categories for "additional guardian, married to mother (or father)" or something of that nature. In the end, this doesn't seem like a big deal at all, and if reported at say FoxNews, could actually help Romney.

But, this is coming from a guy who really likes fast food chicken sandwiches, so, y'know... go crazy.

"gay rights"

 

[Duffyside]

"gay rights"

Right, as in this case it seems like more of "child/human's rights" issue, or at "best" a "step parent's" rights issue, which I don't see as being listed on the birth certificate in replacement of a biological parent as a right. The opposite, actually.

 

[Phreaker]

Doesn't surprise me. Sounds as if he was a bully to gay kids in High School too. We need a President, not a boss. Ef Romney.

 

[Dude Abides]

A human right to know who your biological parents are is so silly not even Romney tried to invoke it to justify this. Where is the FBI's department of tracking down unknown fathers? The human rights of thousands of children are at stake!

 

[levious]

Right, as in this case it seems like more of "child/human's rights" issue, or at "best" a "step parent's" rights issue, which I don't see as being listed on the birth certificate in replacement of a biological parent as a right. The opposite, actually.

I appreciate your "thoughts" on this issue.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Sort of a side question:

When someone:

- Pre-arranges an adoption
- Uses a surrogate mother
- Other situations where the 2 people doing the parenting aren't technically the "parents"

Does the "Certificate of Live Birth" list the "caretaker" parents or the people who physically conceived and birthed the child?

I'm assuming the former considering this issue..

 

[speculawyer]

I'm troubled people are only concerned with the same-sex parents, and not the child, though you would think I wouldn't be since that's a common theme for the entire country -- to view children more like property than individuals with very important, delicate rights.

Go read the testimony over the California Prop 8 lawsuit. There was a decent amount of testimony on gay parenting and there wasn't any real hard evidence of problems with kids raised by gay parents.


But just for argument's sake, let's assume there is. Let's say kids raised by gay parents are more like to get into fights. Or some such stuff. What then? Do we deny civil rights because of some statistical issue on gay parenting? What's next then? Should we ban black people from marrying because black men are more likely to end up in jail than white men? Should we ban poor people from getting married and having kids because the kids will be poor?

"But what about the children" isn't actually a very good argument. Especially when the real argument is "Eww gays . . . god says you are sinners!" (Never mind that Jesus never said a word about homosexuals but totally condemned divorce which they have no problem with.)

 

[Duffyside]

Go read the testimony over the California Prop 8 lawsuit. There was a decent amount of testimony on gay parenting and there wasn't any real hard evidence of problems with kids raised by gay parents.


But just for argument's sake, let's assume there is. Let's say kids raised by gay parents are more like to get into fights. Or some such stuff. What then? Do we deny civil rights because of some statistical issue on gay parenting? What's next then? Should we ban black people from marrying because black men are more likely to end up in jail than white men? Should we ban poor people from getting married and having kids because the kids will be poor?

"But what about the children" isn't actually a very good argument. Especially when the real argument is "Eww gays . . . god says you are sinners!" (Never mind that Jesus never said a word about homosexuals but totally condemned divorce which they have no problem with.)

This is why I don't talk to you. I didn't say any of this.

 

[anotherVegan]

 

[Technosteve]

Is this for woman woman couples? Or male male couples? In one instance they can have children the other they can't. I dont understand the position at all.

 

[Poyunch]

Some gays it ain't sunny but it ain't so hard.

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Is this for woman woman couples? Or male male couples? In one instance they can have children the other they can't. I dont understand the position at all.

It's not to be understood. It's to be accepted without question.

Bow before The Mittens.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

As someone outside of the US, it honestly bothers me that someone like him could end up as president considering some of his views and policies, and that he would be the leader of one of the biggest and most powerful nations on the planet.

He seems quite happy to drag society into the past.

As someone who is also outside the US, I love it. Obama is a boring and safe president. I can't help but think of all the gaffes and stupid stuff Romney will do over the next 4 years if he gets in. He'll be even better the George W. was.

 

[Raist]

My girlfriend's sister's brother

Wut

 

[Prologue]

I hope you like your next president america. You deserve it.

I have come to terms that Romney is going to win this election.

Nothing reported on him has made a dent on the polls.

There's no hope for this country.

I'm starting to think he will win as well.

 

[diehard]

And if he loses I look forward to your suicide.

Damn man you're classy.

If he loses i go on with my day, it will just be less entertaining here.

 

[Binabik15]

Gay parents may have a bad impact on a chid

Therefore, we see fit that that child should have no parents.

But a father+mother couple might have a bad impact on the kid as well-

Therefore, we see fit that that child should have been aborted.

Spoiler

 

[KingFire]

And he will win.