GOP hopeful: 'Rape thing' not cause for abortion

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A Republican congressional candidate says abortion should not be legal, even when it involves "the rape thing," according to audio provided Wednesday to The Associated Press.

An activist working on behalf of liberal group FUSE Washington asked questions of Republican hopeful John Koster during a fundraiser Sunday. Koster said he does not oppose abortion when the life of the mother is in danger but then explains he would oppose it when it involves rape or incest.

Koster twice uses the phrase "the rape thing" when describing his views, first saying that he knows a woman who was raped and gave up the child for adoption without any regrets.

"But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange.


Koster's campaign manager, Larry Stickney, says the candidate has long been a proponent of dealing strongly with sex offenders. He noted that Koster worked in the state legislature on legislation to crack down on sex offenders and has daughters of his own.

"To imply that he's cavalier about the issue is preposterous," Stickney said.

Koster is locked in a competitive House race against Democrat Suzan DelBene.

Collin Jergens, a spokesman at the advocacy group FUSE Washington, said one of the group's activists went to the fundraiser to ask Koster about the issue of abortion. Democrats have been trying to portray Koster as out of touch with the district, which stretches from areas east of Seattle to the border with Canada, and they have focused particularly on his stance on social issues.

Sara Kiesler, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood Votes Northwest, said the Koster's remarks are proof that he shouldn't be involved in a woman's decision about her pregnancy.

"My gut reaction was that rape is violence, and that rape is a crime, and that his choice of words diminishes that violence," Kiesler said.
 
"But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange.

Yes because that "more violence" wasn't approved by that woman's body or anything.
 
More recently, Indiana GOP candidate Richard Mourdock has been criticized for saying that pregnancy resulting from rape is God's will.


this one is a twoofuh boys.
 
"The rape thing"

Like it's this casual topic you bring up at the water cooler in your office now. "So you've heard of this rape thing, right?"

Funniest part is that it's GOP themselves that are making it a "thing". Republican 1 says ignorant, offensive bile about abortion, people call them out, it's not a controversy. Republican 2, equally ignorant, says "wat? But like rape isn't even bad dude, just shut that shit down when the penis is coming, m i rite?" And even more people facepalm and call it out.

Repeat maybe 10 times and now you have "a thing". And now some dumbass GOP now calls it "a thing", like it's some kind of manufactured talking point that people just randomly decided to make a big deal about. You know, it's not because of the influx of dumbfuck middle aged white dudes pretending like they know what they're talking about when it comes to abortion and rape.
 
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"But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange.

Remember when you were forced to have sex and you had no say in the matter? Now you get to have a baby, and you have no say in the matter.

You're welcome. THANK GOD THERE WASN'T MORE VIOLENCE COMMITTED TO YOUR BODY.


Damn, I don't remember this and I watch almost every episode!
 
I don't see a problem with those comments. If you take the position that a fetus be imbued with the rights of a living individual, then this is the logically consistent position to take. Although I don't agree with the premise, I prefer that my opponents take logically consistent stances.

As far as the phrasing of "rape thing" - it is awkward, but then rape is not a comfortable topic to talk about. Pouncing on it seems like a pretty petty thing to do. Focusing on 'gaffes' rather than arguing against the actual ideas is the sign of a shallow intellect.
 
Remember when you were forced to have sex and you had no say in the matter? Now you get to have a baby, and you have no say in the matter.

You're welcome. THANK GOD THERE WASN'T MORE VIOLENCE COMMITTED TO YOUR BODY.

Right, much like all of these issues, these morons don't even quite know what is offensive. Just clearing up the "rape thing." statement, yet ignoring how amazingly offensive the rest of it is...

I don't see a problem with those comments. If you take the position that a fetus be imbued with the rights of a living individual, then this is the logically consistent position to take. Although I don't agree with the premise, I prefer that my opponents take logically consistent stances.

As far as the phrasing of "rape thing" - it is awkward, but then rape is not a comfortable topic to talk about. Pouncing on it seems like a pretty petty thing to do. Focusing on 'gaffes' rather than arguing against the actual ideas is the sign of a shallow intellect.

Its not a gaffe to claim the womans vagina has anti-rape properties. And there is no question of how shallow these people are in the pool of intellect. The fetus doesn't have Government issued rights, the fetus doesn't have a social security number. The mother does though, and its her body. If you want to force a woman to do things with her body, thats fine. Foot the bill for each child until they are 18. And attend every funeral where a girl goes to a back-alley abortionist and dies to death from bleeding.

This is nothing to argue against with people who are complete morons about anatomy and womens rights. People have to earn the right, through actions, to be taken seriously. None of these people have shown any sign of intelligence to respond with.

There is so much wrong about removing rights of women, ignoring back-alley doctors, and the broken families in which unwanted children usually bring.
 
I'd love to see a compiled list of all the stupid shit GOP members have said since Obama was elected. Would probably rival russian literature in length.
 
I don't see a problem with those comments. If you take the position that a fetus be imbued with the rights of a living individual, then this is the logically consistent position to take. Although I don't agree with the premise, I prefer that my opponents take logically consistent stances.

As far as the phrasing of "rape thing" - it is awkward, but then rape is not a comfortable topic to talk about. Pouncing on it seems like a pretty petty thing to do. Focusing on 'gaffes' rather than arguing against the actual ideas is the sign of a shallow intellect.
While I largely agree with you, politicians are also expected to be good communicators to fulfill their duties in office. Comments that indicate unease with discussing these sorts of important topics do deserve a poor reception.

Though, I think I'd need to see the actual discussion to make that judgement.
 
I don't see a problem with those comments. If you take the position that a fetus be imbued with the rights of a living individual, then this is the logically consistent position to take. Although I don't agree with the premise, I prefer that my opponents take logically consistent stances.

As far as the phrasing of "rape thing" - it is awkward, but then rape is not a comfortable topic to talk about. Pouncing on it seems like a pretty petty thing to do. Focusing on 'gaffes' rather than arguing against the actual ideas is the sign of a shallow intellect.

The phrase "rape thing" is a sign of a shallow intellect to begin with. There's not much to do here except facepalm.
 
"But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange.

how does that make it worse
 
Why would anyone who is against abortion be in favor for it in the case of rape? The reason people are against abortion is because you are killing an innocent child, even in the case of rape. Now if the women's health was a concern then yeah I can see how people would be ok with it then because you are weighing a life against a life.


Why do people still vote for the GOP?


I just can't for the life of me understand it
I'm sure the bubble of GAF libs will provide you an answer!
 
I don't see a problem with those comments. If you take the position that a fetus be imbued with the rights of a living individual, then this is the logically consistent position to take. Although I don't agree with the premise, I prefer that my opponents take logically consistent stances.

As far as the phrasing of "rape thing" - it is awkward, but then rape is not a comfortable topic to talk about. Pouncing on it seems like a pretty petty thing to do. Focusing on 'gaffes' rather than arguing against the actual ideas is the sign of a shallow intellect.

I don't know. I personally think that the flippancy with which certain candidates discuss the violation of a woman's body is a sign of a lack of empathy and compassion.

But sure, you can call it a gaffe if you like. You seem to be capable of empathy and are extending these men the courtesy to take their point of view seriously, to treat their viewpoints and opinions with respect.

If only they felt the same way about women. Wouldn't that be something?
 
These statements are mind blowing, all these decrepit old fucks trying to reinforce what a woman should do with their body, fuck that bullshit. You think that a life is when it starts in the womb? Fine. Label the potential mother who gets an abortion as a murderer that doesn't get charged.

The people that these GOP candidates are appealing to at this point are potential rapists that want a illegitimate children. As ridiculous as that sounds, those are the only people that will benefit.

Do the GOP's even think what the mother has to tell the child? "Your father was a rapist and you'll probably never see him because he's in prison for 20 years." Yet these GOP hopefuls argue having gay parents will hurt the child?

Fuck anybody that supports these people.
 
Are reports of GoP ignorance on GAF inflated or do they really spout this nonsense this frequently.

Most of them keep their abhorrent views inside their own heads. They have been letting those views out more frequently during this election cycle though.
 
Are reports of GoP ignorance on GAF inflated or do they really spout this nonsense this frequently.
When you go against everything a party believes in then yes everything they say is going to sound ignorant to you.

My question is why do people here sound so shocked about this? Did you not know this was the view of the GOP for several years already?
 
When you go against everything a party believes in then yes everything they say is going to sound ignorant to you.

My question is why do people here sound so shocked about this? Did you not know this was the view of the GOP for several years already?

Even Mitt Romney disagrees with the suggestion that a woman who has already been raped shouldn't have any say in what happens to her body after.

It's only recently that the GOP has modified the entire platform to be much more hardline on the issue.
 
Who'd like to bet if any of these GOP hopefuls daughter's were raped that they would fly them to another state to get an abortion?
 
He noted that Koster worked in the state legislature on legislation to crack down on sex offenders and has daughters of his own.

Nothing to see here. The man has daughters, people! He can't possibly be saying anything wrong if he has daughters.
 
No, abortion and gay marriage are currently THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES.

Both revolve around horror stories of sex and sexuality. All those loose women running around using abortion as birth control! That's a thing that happens! The gays are everywhere, converting our children, taking over our media, and what happens next? Where does it end!

Fear mongering bullshit. That's where the "legitimate rape" line of thinking comes from. If rape is really about loose women who can't control themselves and cry rape after, then your daughter and wife are safe. Everyone you know is safe. It's not really a concern, it's not really a problem, you don't have to feel bad for those whores, right? Sleep well at night, Mister GOP, that lady got what she deserved.

Gay marriage is a pretty important issue.

I think he meant in terms of how it should be a no brainer, not the boogie man to construct as the basis for an entire political campaign.
 
These statements are mind blowing, all these decrepit old fucks trying to reinforce what a woman should do with their body, fuck that bullshit. You think that a life is when it starts in the womb? Fine. Label the potential mother who gets an abortion as a murderer that doesn't get charged.

The people that these GOP candidates are appealing to at this point are potential rapists that want a illegitimate children. As ridiculous as that sounds, those are the only people that will benefit.

Do the GOP's even think what the mother has to tell the child? "Your father was a rapist and you'll probably never see him because he's in prison for 20 years." Yet these GOP hopefuls argue having gay parents will hurt the child?

Fuck anybody that supports these people.
Great post, especially how you cap it all off by nullifying your credibility!

You know who the GOP is appealing to? The people who actually respect life. Who's going to benefit from this? How about the child that didn't get murdered? And lets think about that little child who must hear from his mom (or adopted parents) that he/she is the result of the rape, I'm pretty sure he/she would be more thankful that he/she isn't dead.

I know it's cliche but hey, I have to say it: I find it funny that all the people in favor of abortion have already been born.

I realize I'm probably the only one who's going to read this thread that has this view, but that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, kind of fun. I will now leave to let y'all continue preaching to your own choir
 
I think she already had it in the bag. This hurts Romney and other GOPers . . . they don't need yet another GOP candidate talking about god's glorious rape fetuses.

I just didn't expect that in my own state. Good god GOP is self sabotage. I can't wait to hear the 1090 progressive talk hosts spend the entire day tearing them apart again. Espeically Randi Rhodes XD
 
Great post, especially how you cap it all off by nullifying your credibility!

You know who the GOP is appealing to? The people who actually respect life. Who's going to benefit from this? How about the child that didn't get murdered? And lets think about that little child who must hear from his mom (or adopted parents) that he/she is the result of the rape, I'm pretty sure he/she would be more thankful that he/she isn't dead.

I know it's cliche but hey, I have to say it: I find it funny that all the people in favor of abortion have already been born.

There's more to life than just living. Growing up without a father is one terrible thing, growing up without a father that raped your mother that lead to your birth is another even more terrible thing.

If you see abortion as taking a life away, that's on you. Call the woman a murderer or what have you, it should be her damn decision if she wants to bring more life to this planet.
 
I know it's cliche but hey, I have to say it: I find it funny that all the people in favor of abortion have already been born.

I realize I'm probably the only one who's going to read this thread that has this view, but that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, kind of fun. I will now leave to let y'all continue preaching to your own choir

Speaking of nullifying your credibility...
 
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