Every Vita owner watched it.
Just what is Sony doing with Vita? If they've given-up, they should just kill it.
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Every Vita owner watched it.
I think that the thing with vita was that (if you look back at the PSP) it was mostly a thing handled by SCEJ and 3rd party companies. There was no uncharted or quality port of LBP.
Games like patapon and loco roco and lumines, Jeanne D'arc actually made some buzz. Then some original titles debuted from established franchises like Crisis Core, God of War, Final Fantasy Tactics: WoTL, and some smaller sized games like dead head fred or death jr. , wipeout pure/pulse.
Sony tried to recreate the psp by making it a console gaming experience on the go (which is why I purchased mines), but never captured what the psp was best at.
That being said, saving the vita in japan will require SCEJ and their support. Gravity Rush doesn't cover it, bring out more OG titles like patapon and loco roco. Let your creativity shine. Then the 3rd party support has got to reel in.
But the gamechangers, and we know what they are. Monster Hunter might never come to the vita, but something has to replace it for japan to cherish the vita and to get sales skyrocketting. I don't think soul sacrifice is that game.
As for the west, CoD should have came second. The first thing, yes the first THING should have been an estasblished Grand Theft Auto Portable along with a price drop. We all know how that would have performed. Casuals and HC alike would come flying to that.
Also as for liberations, I don't think aligning it directly with AC3 was a good thing. It should have launched maybe a week before or after, but thats just my preference.
Rockstar is the only one capable of making the vita into a true system. I can only imagine combining the unique things of china town wars with that of liberty city stories gameplay, along with vita's graphics. It would be truly amazing, but I don't think its happening.
Games like patapon and loco roco and lumines, Jeanne D'arc actually made some buzz. Then some original titles debuted from established franchises like Crisis Core, God of War, Final Fantasy Tactics: WoTL, and some smaller sized games like dead head fred or death jr. , wipeout pure/pulse.
Sony tried to recreate the psp by making it a console gaming experience on the go (which is why I purchased mines), but never captured what the psp was best at.
That being said, saving the vita in japan will require SCEJ and their support. Gravity Rush doesn't cover it, bring out more OG titles like patapon and loco roco. Let your creativity shine. Then the 3rd party support has got to reel in.
But the gamechangers, and we know what they are. Monster Hunter might never come to the vita, but something has to replace it for japan to cherish the vita and to get sales skyrocketting. I don't think soul sacrifice is that game.
As for the west, CoD should have came second. The first thing, yes the first THING should have been an estasblished Grand Theft Auto Portable along with a price drop. We all know how that would have performed. Casuals and HC alike would come flying to that.
Also as for liberations, I don't think aligning it directly with AC3 was a good thing. It should have launched maybe a week before or after, but thats just my preference.
Rockstar is the only one capable of making the vita into a true system. I can only imagine combining the unique things of china town wars with that of liberty city stories gameplay, along with vita's graphics. It would be truly amazing, but I don't think its happening.
Vlodril
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I am not saying it has anything to do with its future. I just find it weird that all it matters is how are its sales and not the enjoyment people are getting from it. Its a good machine.
Its sales are abysmal you will not find i think anyone to disagree with you. Sony is not going to drop the price for now and its going to ride it out. I think shutting it down would be completely illogical. The major cost is done already by r&d and setting up the production lines.
What possible benefit would Sony get by killing it?
Its sales are abysmal you will not find i think anyone to disagree with you. Sony is not going to drop the price for now and its going to ride it out. I think shutting it down would be completely illogical. The major cost is done already by r&d and setting up the production lines.
What possible benefit would Sony get by killing it?
^ what he said. Also i'm gonna keep saying it - sales =/= appeal - especially for relatively new products with potential to change certain things like price and library.
I'm not sure if I read that too quickly but they don't need to aim for PS4 level of games, just carry on developing impressive ENOUGH games on a handheld console - PS4 level is going to cost a shitload and we'll see more developers flock to cheaper platforms.. hopefully by then the vita userbase would have grown considerably.
-ok now, brb 1hour.
I'm not sure if I read that too quickly but they don't need to aim for PS4 level of games, just carry on developing impressive ENOUGH games on a handheld console - PS4 level is going to cost a shitload and we'll see more developers flock to cheaper platforms.. hopefully by then the vita userbase would have grown considerably.
-ok now, brb 1hour.
CloakedPuppet
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Quoting this for it's bang-on-ness. Very well said and this should be the patented response to any future doomsday, crapola Vita threads.
I agree here. The Vita shouldn't be a labeled as a portable console. It's not. Crtierion made a stellar racing game in NFS:MW but it unfortunately caused a divide with gamers when they saw how clearly graphically inferior the Vita version is. As much fun as I'm having with it, I'd have to think Criterion would have been better off making a unique experience here, instead of showing on-the-fence gamers how much less of a game it looks to be when compared to consoles.
If you love your Vita, then you should care, because Sony and their partners are not running a charity. The more things go as they are, the less games you will be getting for the Vita. Riding it out is not an option.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Not selling it yet.
I still have hope.
EDIT: I'm never selling it, actually. Still love it too much...and I poured in too much money already, so I'm locked it for the long haul.
I'd love to get that white model.
I still have hope.
EDIT: I'm never selling it, actually. Still love it too much...and I poured in too much money already, so I'm locked it for the long haul.
I'd love to get that white model.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
not selling it because i have a huge backlog of quality software (i've lost track of numbers - 55? something like that) - some are obviously crap, but this machine plays Wipeout 2048, Wipeout HD and Wipeout Fury :O
The vita, though, has many many issues to over come to make itself appeal out of the weird niche it seems to be hitting : people like me who havent much time to play at home who want a console experience on the go with ports not exactly being a negative.
The vita is a great machine -for me- but they need to have a wider appeal, get the price down, and try to find that killer title -and- try and get third parties onboard.
The vita, though, has many many issues to over come to make itself appeal out of the weird niche it seems to be hitting : people like me who havent much time to play at home who want a console experience on the go with ports not exactly being a negative.
The vita is a great machine -for me- but they need to have a wider appeal, get the price down, and try to find that killer title -and- try and get third parties onboard.
Do you really want a Slant Six game on PS4? Some teams are better left to smaller sandboxes to play in.
The Japanese market, which should have been a strong market for Vita, doesn't look good.
They are releasing some good games (miku, P4G, soul sacrifice, etc) but its still weak.
Of course, losing Monster Hunter was big in Japan, and the fact that a lot of developers are still making games for psp doesn't help. Even winning eleven(PES) is not coming out for Vita while its coming out for psp.
Hopefully we get a lot more titles announced for next year.
They are releasing some good games (miku, P4G, soul sacrifice, etc) but its still weak.
Of course, losing Monster Hunter was big in Japan, and the fact that a lot of developers are still making games for psp doesn't help. Even winning eleven(PES) is not coming out for Vita while its coming out for psp.
Hopefully we get a lot more titles announced for next year.
You think Vita is a safer bet than the PS4? You foresee a handheld resurgence? And a grand exodus of developers from consoles to Vita development? Your predictions are grounded only in the misguided thoughts of your own mind.
Ollie Pooch
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"I just LOVE the Vita even though I feel like it doesn't have any good games, I really want it to succeed! But I haven't bought one"
What a load.
These threads pop up every day. Sales are shit. Sony's treatment of it from a PR perspective has been a disaster, and don't get me started on SCEA. But let's not pretend this is some kind of level-headed discussion about what Sony could do - it's the usual suspects piling on, like every other Vita doom thread.
What a load.
These threads pop up every day. Sales are shit. Sony's treatment of it from a PR perspective has been a disaster, and don't get me started on SCEA. But let's not pretend this is some kind of level-headed discussion about what Sony could do - it's the usual suspects piling on, like every other Vita doom thread.
Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post above. My sentiments were more in line with the poster you replied to.
PS4 will undoubtedly require more resources, making the apparent divide (if there is one) between PS4 and Vita more and more apparent. If anything, I see Vita support dwindling based on devs focus shifting to learn next-gen architecture, and adapting their flagpole franchises for it. I think Vita will be relegated to indie devs or mild 3rd party support until otherwise, cared for. I just don't see Vita's userbase growing unless there is compelling content, and with the PS4 around the corner, I don't see that anytime soon.
PS4 will undoubtedly require more resources, making the apparent divide (if there is one) between PS4 and Vita more and more apparent. If anything, I see Vita support dwindling based on devs focus shifting to learn next-gen architecture, and adapting their flagpole franchises for it. I think Vita will be relegated to indie devs or mild 3rd party support until otherwise, cared for. I just don't see Vita's userbase growing unless there is compelling content, and with the PS4 around the corner, I don't see that anytime soon.
UncleSporky
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You don't believe it's possible for Sony to potentially make more money in the long run by shifting all of their resources to a different platform?
Not even whether it's true they could profit more or not, but that it's simply possible. You don't think that is a remote possibility?
You think the cost of Vita R&D was so great that effort spent making the PS4 a Wii-like success couldn't possibly make up the difference, they have to keep devs and factories tied up in supporting a platform that sells 5k weekly in Japan?
If sales pick up starting now, then I would agree, but right now I don't think so. Nintendo has Japan all by itself this Xmas till summer with DQ8 and Monhun 4. Also I think that debs would have announced games by now for next year
Sony don't need to do anything for the system, they've already done what they could do. I'ts up to Square-Enix from now on. In order to gain momentum SE have to drop megatons for the system. FFX remake? Where is it? Also we need more. Dissida HD+ Online? FF7 remake? FF Tactics 2? New Star Ocean or Valkyria Profile? Kingdom Hearts BBS 2?
And then enter Konami with Vita exclusive MGS. Capcom With MH Portable 4. Sega with Valkyrie Chronicles. Rockstar with San Andreas Stories. Then I can call Vita PSP2.
And then enter Konami with Vita exclusive MGS. Capcom With MH Portable 4. Sega with Valkyrie Chronicles. Rockstar with San Andreas Stories. Then I can call Vita PSP2.
Is 3DS also getting DQ8? I thought it was DQ7
Sony would need to pay to fund each of these games.
It's 7. Though I wouldn't doubt 8 sometime in the future.
I wonder if both parties would comply. lol
Hypereides
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This thread is kinda ironically amusing.
Its very similiar to those threads back in 2007 that were spelling doom and gloom over the PS3's lacking catalogue.
Look how that turned out?
I guess the best thing is let the corporate business heads figure how to tackle this situation. Also give it time.
Its very similiar to those threads back in 2007 that were spelling doom and gloom over the PS3's lacking catalogue.
Look how that turned out?
I guess the best thing is let the corporate business heads figure how to tackle this situation. Also give it time.
If support dries up for the vita due to Sony not spending the dough to keep games coming? I won't be buying a ps4 until the thing is basically dead/over and can be had for 50$ on craigslist. Not interested in being burned twice by the same company.
But what would GAF talk about? We obviously have all the right answers. 100 different answers and all of them right.
MightyHedgehog
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You can't kill what's already dead.
Seriously, every time I see the small Vita section at a given retail store, it has this pathetic and untouched appearance, like it hasn't seen any human interaction since launch with its thin selection of titles, surprisingly large numbers on price stickers, and generally abandoned look. I'd be surprised if retailers didn't essentially do it in by getting out of their contracts with Sony for support since the space might be better used for reselling iOS/Android devices or expanding the Wii U section. Deader than a door-nail now and probably a memory this time next year...that is, if anyone did know it actually existed, which it seems like many non-forum-dwellers don't. Sony would have to essentially re-launch this whole thing with a 3DS-equaling price drop, a string of big, exclusive, and broadly-appealing titles, and an expensive ad campaign. The chances of that happening are pretty slim.
Seriously, every time I see the small Vita section at a given retail store, it has this pathetic and untouched appearance, like it hasn't seen any human interaction since launch with its thin selection of titles, surprisingly large numbers on price stickers, and generally abandoned look. I'd be surprised if retailers didn't essentially do it in by getting out of their contracts with Sony for support since the space might be better used for reselling iOS/Android devices or expanding the Wii U section. Deader than a door-nail now and probably a memory this time next year...that is, if anyone did know it actually existed, which it seems like many non-forum-dwellers don't. Sony would have to essentially re-launch this whole thing with a 3DS-equaling price drop, a string of big, exclusive, and broadly-appealing titles, and an expensive ad campaign. The chances of that happening are pretty slim.
A lot has happened within the gaming space in the last 5 years, especially to Sony.
While I'm satisfied with my Vita so far, there are problems definitely. While I think the current price you get with bundles is okay, the memory cards are definitely overpriced. And if you are a PS+ member or own PS1/PSP games, a 32Gb is a must so that will set you back a lot.
Another problem is how Sony touts it as a 'console experience on the go'. While I do think that is possible, and I would be perfectly happy with games like that on Vita, the hardware itself isn't quite powerful enough for it. I mean I'm not the type of person who even remotely cares about games like Uncharted or Gravity Rush being non-Native res, but the fact they are shows that it's not powerful enough. But more importantly if it wanted to be that console experience, it needed to be powerful enough so it got the 3rd party games alongside PS3/360/PC but it's not.
As for the games themselves, while I think there's a lot of variety and I'm satisfied, I'm not what you would call a regular customer. I'm primarily a console gamer, and only use handhelds as a supplement, so i only need the odd decent release to keep me satisfied. I mean Gravity Rush and Uncharted lasted me a month overall, and I anticipate Liberation and New Little King Story to last even longer. But for other people they probably want a lot more games anywhere else, or don't resemble games that may be superior elsewhere. What it needs is a lot more games in the vein of Gravity Rush. yeah I know some people didn't like it (I loved it. So much fun travelling), but it's the whole unique experience that can only be gotten on Vita is what I'm getting at. I like the look of Ragnarok Odyssey and Soul Sacrifice, and even if i'm not really interested, Tearaway fits the bill as well. It just needs more. Can't wait till Ys Celceta comes out.
Yes the Vita's in a bad spot and it's going to be extremely difficult to revive it, but it's not completely dead yet. Sony have got a major job on their hands though and it'll be interesting to see what they can do.
Another problem is how Sony touts it as a 'console experience on the go'. While I do think that is possible, and I would be perfectly happy with games like that on Vita, the hardware itself isn't quite powerful enough for it. I mean I'm not the type of person who even remotely cares about games like Uncharted or Gravity Rush being non-Native res, but the fact they are shows that it's not powerful enough. But more importantly if it wanted to be that console experience, it needed to be powerful enough so it got the 3rd party games alongside PS3/360/PC but it's not.
As for the games themselves, while I think there's a lot of variety and I'm satisfied, I'm not what you would call a regular customer. I'm primarily a console gamer, and only use handhelds as a supplement, so i only need the odd decent release to keep me satisfied. I mean Gravity Rush and Uncharted lasted me a month overall, and I anticipate Liberation and New Little King Story to last even longer. But for other people they probably want a lot more games anywhere else, or don't resemble games that may be superior elsewhere. What it needs is a lot more games in the vein of Gravity Rush. yeah I know some people didn't like it (I loved it. So much fun travelling), but it's the whole unique experience that can only be gotten on Vita is what I'm getting at. I like the look of Ragnarok Odyssey and Soul Sacrifice, and even if i'm not really interested, Tearaway fits the bill as well. It just needs more. Can't wait till Ys Celceta comes out.
Yes the Vita's in a bad spot and it's going to be extremely difficult to revive it, but it's not completely dead yet. Sony have got a major job on their hands though and it'll be interesting to see what they can do.
Square Triangle
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Colonel Mustard
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Except these events aren't similar at all due to factors that have been spelled out countless times before.
chickdigger802
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I feel like that quoted for truth a few months ago still applies here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6h9rNzcI5g4&list=WL6AB0C3E9C934EDE3#t=1213s
Vita got games, but how many of them are ' Games I wanna play' instead of 'Games I wanna buy'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6h9rNzcI5g4&list=WL6AB0C3E9C934EDE3#t=1213s
Vita got games, but how many of them are ' Games I wanna play' instead of 'Games I wanna buy'?
Konami, Square Enix, and Rockstar would have no issue if Sony footed the bill. Capcom? I dunno, they seem to like Nintendo money better.
Really? So FF, MGS and 360 multiplats won't save the Vita?! OH NOES!!
dacuk
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Hypereides
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Which doesnt mean it can happen again?
Sony is probably reflecting on the situation as we speak. They most likely want their product to succeed.
But they probably have to figure out what to do first. Things like these are far sighted and not short sighted.
Sure they could invest/spend some big millions software and pump out games, but they would likely aswell lose money way faster.
Vlodril
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No i do not think that any possible benefit will outweigh the loss. But then i am not running Sony (and good thing that is
).Hypereides
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I'd argue saying they are quite parallel.
I hate to say this, but in 2007 there were major titles to get hyped for that you knew were coming to PS3. Grand Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4...
What does Vita have? Soul Sacrifice and Ys IV?
ZombiePlatypus
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Sigh...
No, I'm not gonna throw upwards of $200 down the drain just because I love the tech/idea of what the device can potentially be. Not when I can count the number of games that I want for it on one hand. This doesn't mean that I don't want the Vita to turn around, recover and succeed. How is this difficult to grasp? Why should I, as a consumer, be expected to take a gamble, before the device proves itself with a viable library? I can be a fan of the hardware, but still be frugal and fork over the cash only after the software catches up.
I'm not gonna feel bad about not being an early-adopter. That's not something I should be burdened with.
DeaconKnowledge
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Sony had the benefit of the PS2's legacy and the XBOX 360 to carry the PS3 through the storm.
Vita has no such luxury.
I'm not suggesting it's impossible. But Sony's situation in 2007 with the PS3 was remarkably different than their current situation with the Vita. They are not interchangeable.
DiscoJer
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I don't think Sony should kill it (especially since I just bought one), but they really have dropped the ball.
The most popular game genre in the West is the FPS. They added a second stick to the Vita so it could play FPSes reasonablly well. And how many FPSes does the Vita have? 1 crappy one, with another (presumably) crappy one on the way.
They should have formed their own internal FPS development team for Vita, and launched with a new, flashy IP. I realize this is harder than it sounds, but still, they needed to try.
And they could have courted existing FPS developers/publishers. The Borderlands 2 people have almost been begging Sony to put the game on the Vita.
Heck, even the Ouya got the company that made that Shadowgun game to support it, at least unofficially, just so they have something to show off. And the Minecraft guy. Why couldn't Sony even do that?
Even their Playstation Mobile program is a dud. Where are all the big companies from iOS/Android? A lot of those games would play better with buttons. It's got a few nice games on it, but most are overpriced.
The most popular game genre in the West is the FPS. They added a second stick to the Vita so it could play FPSes reasonablly well. And how many FPSes does the Vita have? 1 crappy one, with another (presumably) crappy one on the way.
They should have formed their own internal FPS development team for Vita, and launched with a new, flashy IP. I realize this is harder than it sounds, but still, they needed to try.
And they could have courted existing FPS developers/publishers. The Borderlands 2 people have almost been begging Sony to put the game on the Vita.
Heck, even the Ouya got the company that made that Shadowgun game to support it, at least unofficially, just so they have something to show off. And the Minecraft guy. Why couldn't Sony even do that?
Even their Playstation Mobile program is a dud. Where are all the big companies from iOS/Android? A lot of those games would play better with buttons. It's got a few nice games on it, but most are overpriced.
Hypereides
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You are right. What they have available right now, is pretty slim.
But as Im implying, those things change progressively over time. The adoption rate will increase over time as more title become released.
On another topic, the PS3 was most likely not selling itself on the software hype but on the brand recognition mainly. Anything else was suppose to be extra sauce.
The price was the main offender in Sony's plan if anything. Thats probably how Sony calculates the situation.
Square Triangle
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It was, it's coming out in March
I am probably going to break my vita if I played dark souls on my vita.
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