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I see "baby penis" in the URL ... do I want to click?
Dion Blaster
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kudos to jschreier for continuing to respond
GroundCombo
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Eurogamer posted their updated editorial policies. Skipping the CoD review event is a pretty effective way to show that they're serious about this stuff.
SolidSnakex
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WeylandxYutani
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I applaud them but it'll be interesting to see if the new policy correlates with any change in traffic (which directly impacts their ad revenue).
Will lack of attendance at VIP event impact their ability to deliver content as promptly as sites that do attend? Will readers show more faith in them because of their policy?
Will lack of attendance at VIP event impact their ability to deliver content as promptly as sites that do attend? Will readers show more faith in them because of their policy?
ThisWreckage
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I think that there are many conflicts of interest in the industry. I think many reviewers have some sort of fanboy agenda. I think favors are exchanged for better scores. I don't think any of this is conspiracy theory. Out of all entertainment medium reviews, gaming ranks dead last. I do not trust a single word a gaming journalist says.
Edit: what is this about Jaffe telling someone to go drink some Mountain Dew? I laughed out loud when I read that.
Edit: what is this about Jaffe telling someone to go drink some Mountain Dew? I laughed out loud when I read that.
Yeah, he seems like a decent guy imo. Even though Kotaku isn't my thing.
Well done Eurogamer.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
WHY !!
yes. They won't; have a black ops 2 review day 1 and if they keep it up they won't have gta v day one
Dictator93
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Well done eurogamer. This is what I like to see!
Broder Salsa
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For a second there I thought that was Marcus Beer and Jimmy Carr.
grimshawish
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Excellent work. Some of these policies are wonderfully bold. Eurogamer proves yet again why they're the best of the big outlets. Well done.
Isn't that precisely the point? That generating raw hits isn't worth jeopardizing your trustworthiness?
Also, remember that their readership was already directly questioning the site for its editorial decision to cut names from Florence's article, so this move might actually save them readers. And hopefully changes in editorial policy will eventually help build their readership over time.
Besides, a good marketing team understands that raw "hits" aren't the most important thing to (good) advertisers. There are tons of other traffic metrics that often matter more. Not to mention, editorial should never be driven by marketing concerns. It's the marketing staff's job to tailor the site's ad sales to editorial, not the other way around.
I mean, isn't that the whole point of what we've all been talking about in this thread?
Freeza Under The Shower
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for those of you thinking that games journalism is always a journalistic problem, you should probably look at this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=499152
and count the amount of people still downplaying his many achievements. Also take note that this particular myth has been very much the result of constant reporting on his past projects (and his willingness to chat about the potentials of video games).
It's not as straightforward as saying "it's their fault", when clearly the audience is dumb as fuck too.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=499152
and count the amount of people still downplaying his many achievements. Also take note that this particular myth has been very much the result of constant reporting on his past projects (and his willingness to chat about the potentials of video games).
It's not as straightforward as saying "it's their fault", when clearly the audience is dumb as fuck too.
One of the media's jobs is to educate and inform its audience. An ignorant audience existing is no excuse to pander to them and reaffirm their world views.
What the fuck is this shit
Does Gawker still pay its writers based on the number of clickthroughs a headline gets? If so, that explains a lot of the crap Kotaku posts. It doesn't justify it, but it might explain it.
People don't want news, they want olds. If a medium doesn't reaffirm their world views, they'll ignore the medium.
Jake Tower
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chickdigger802
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sadly, video game sites can't live off 'journalism'.
we need to go back to every site making lists.
we need to go back to every site making lists.
Day 1 reviews are usually bullshit. And pre-day1 reviews are always bullshit. Big publishers will not continue to give review code to sites that don't play ball. So the fact that Halo 4 had 75 reviews out by release day and not a single one of them was less than 4/5 speaks volumes.
So day 1 reviews means I give a site very little credibility. If Eurogamer starts holding off by a week their reviews so that they dont have to play ball, it might become my goto site for pro-reviews. I doubt it will happen because it would cost them majorly, but I can hope.
Sad but true. Infact, Google is investing in personalized search results that leverage this fact to give people the results they want in searches. When the BP gulf oil spill was going on, I remember reading an article about the different search results people would get when searchinf for 'BP Oil'. Some would get typical environmental disaster/eco warrior stuff page 1, and others would get stock price and financial stuff page 1.
Echo...
LOL, literally.
You can disable that, though. Unfortunately, duckduckgo is simply not as good (slower, no images).
Various press kits
Ahh, so THAT's why game budgets are so absurd and unrealistic.
Hahaha, no.
I know that someone was employed to create this stuff. But t I always think that it would be better to have spent the considerable money spent on producing this shit to do something else.
Something insane...like employing someone to make their games better.
Just FYI: I was referring to marketing in general, as in ads, billboards, and so on. Are you implying that an absurd amount of money isn't spent on marketing and things unrelated to the actual development of the game?
I see, carry on then.
CecilRousso
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They fail by still thinking that it´s ok to review games at the companies offices. I can´t trust reviews from someone who does that. It´s a step better that they say that they will disclose that they did so, but still not really good enough.
not_so_special
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why ashcraft still works on kotaku?it boggles my mind
for every good article on kotaku who made them look good there is 20 of these stupid weabooo articles from ashcraft who bring down any good feelings on the site
It is not absurd if they feel it is required to get their message above the noise. Companies are in the business of making money, not spending it. If there was a way to be more effective and spend less money doing so, they would.
Sigh. Ok then.
Journalists wouldn´t write about a politician, with him sitting right next to them.
Game journalists would review a game, while sitting in the publishers office, making photos with the game devs and taking one of the press kits.
Another One bites the dust.
Yeah, there is already a thread but it also belongs to the bigger picture, portrayed here.
Good for them but still no interest in their site.
LOL at those press kits. Everything outside of the disc/case sits in the trash/closet.
McBradders
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I have never seen a "profession" so openly disrespectful of their audience.
I mean, seriously, keep that shit behind closed doors. Man, it boils me blood a little, to be perfectly honest.
I mean, seriously, keep that shit behind closed doors. Man, it boils me blood a little, to be perfectly honest.
Those tweets are depressing. simplistic view of games journalism? Right. How about you stop circle jerking each other on Twitter, where you can choose to hear the opinions that would make you feel better about yourself and come here and offer something substantial to the discussion like grown men.
You hide behind the "us vs them" and "witch hunt" all you want, but don't you fucking dare be condescending to the people who want to get serious about the subject and argue many points of views on this subject.
You can be a coward, and hide behind your precious twitter followers and friends, and keep believing that you are right, unchallenged. But you don't fucking disrespect me and my fellow gaffers for wanting to discuss the matter, and offer an opposite point of view.
You hide behind the "us vs them" and "witch hunt" all you want, but don't you fucking dare be condescending to the people who want to get serious about the subject and argue many points of views on this subject.
You can be a coward, and hide behind your precious twitter followers and friends, and keep believing that you are right, unchallenged. But you don't fucking disrespect me and my fellow gaffers for wanting to discuss the matter, and offer an opposite point of view.
Well, that's because it probably goes both ways.
McBradders
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Wicked cool justification there.
drkOne
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I love Twitter circlejerks.
And seriously, if your work has something to do with the internet and you can't deal with insults, you should probably quit.
Claiming that we have simplistic views when we haven't used anything but facts to attack them. GAF should've financed Press Reset, then we could pressure Kollar into deleting that tweet.
And seriously, if your work has something to do with the internet and you can't deal with insults, you should probably quit.
Claiming that we have simplistic views when we haven't used anything but facts to attack them. GAF should've financed Press Reset, then we could pressure Kollar into deleting that tweet.
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