College Football Week 14 - Conference Championship Games and Pseudo Championships

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Hah, what a hypocrite. Saban doesn't think it's fair for UF to go to Sugar Bowl instead of the loser of the SECCG. This coming from the guy whose team went to the MNC last year without being in the SECCG.

I don't feel good about it either. The runner up should go to a BCS game provided they're ranked in the top so and so of the rankings, IMO. Won't happen though.
 
Oh and to make things worse, Stoops supposedly interviewed for the head coaching job at Kentucky. Jimbo could leave and I wouldn't blink an eye, but if Stoops bolts we are FUCKED.
 
Oh and to make things worse, Stoops supposedly interviewed for the head coaching job at Kentucky. Jimbo could leave and I wouldn't blink an eye, but if Stoops bolts we are FUCKED.

Please no no no no no no no no no.

Stoops has it great here. Why would he want to leave?
 
I don't feel good about it either. The runner up should go to a BCS game provided they're ranked in the top so and so of the rankings, IMO. Won't happen though.

I'm pretty sure the Sugar Bowl isn't obligated to take any SEC team if the SEC winner goes to the NC. So at that point, they are just taking the best team available. UGA has an argument to go because they beat us in the head-to-head, but what's Alabama's argument? We still would have a better resume than the loser of the SECCG so seems completely fair to me.
 
Hah, what a hypocrite. Saban doesn't think it's fair for UF to go to Sugar Bowl instead of the loser of the SECCG. This coming from the guy whose team went to the MNC last year without being in the SECCG.
How does that make him a hypocrite? Saban saw what Georgia went through last year and is expressing his concern that Georgia will, once again, be left out of a BCS game this year. Seems like Saban is the opposite of a hypocrite to me.

I wonder what else, other than his charitable, loving heart, it will take for the Catholic church to canonize him when he passes?
 
Jimbo Fisher said:
Jimbo: I have a 5 year plan and a 10 year plan for this program. I wanted to call plays for 3-5 years and then focus on other areas #Noles

Good news for FSU fans. We really need a serious OC that actually calls the plays. Not Coley who is basically just a recruiter (albeit an incredibly good one). Hopefully it's 3 years for Jimbo's play calling and we get a real OC for 2013. Florida has clearly out-spent us in that regard. Notice how Muschamp is the head coach with a defensive background, but he still has a real DC.
 
Performing a miracle like coaching the Browns to a Super Bowl.
I think it will be a miracle if we make it to the MNC game this year. Hell, look at all of the miracles that have happened over the past two years: Oregon losing (USC in 2011, Furd in 2012), OSU losing to ISU last year, and KSU absolutely choking to Baylor this year. I'm convinced.
 
Good news for FSU fans. We really need a serious OC that actually calls the plays. Not Coley who is basically just a recruiter (albeit an incredibly good one). Hopefully the it's 3 years and we get a real OC for 2013. Florida has clearly out-spent us in that regard. Notice how Muschamp is the head coach with a defensive background, but he still has a real DC.

Keeping Jimbo as head coach, losing Stoops, and getting an offensive coordinator is either going to be completely terrible or great.
 
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Hmm, what does Impirius have to say about this????

Clearly based on reports from Clemson fans who had never seen a "defense" before

Really, The State? Really?
 
Keeping Jimbo as head coach, losing Stoops, and getting an offensive coordinator is either going to be completely terrible or great.

Agreed. If it were up to me we'd either ditch Jimbo and get a new HC and OC, or demote Jimbo so he can focus only on the OC job, and make Stoops the HC. That'll never happen though. Any move to demote Jimbo would just lead to him leaving. I'm OK with that, as long as Stoops is the HC.
 
Agreed. If it were up to me we'd either ditch Jimbo and get a new HC and OC, or demote Jimbo so he can focus only on the OC job, and make Stoops the HC. That'll never happen though. Any move to demote Jimbo would just lead to him leaving. I'm OK with that, as long as Stoops is the HC.

Completely agree. Jimbo's a great QB coach, a decent offensive coordinator, and a fantastic recruiter. And it's only a matter of time before Stoops leaves for a head coaching job. Push Jimbo to OC, move Stoops to HC, and either keep Stoops as DC or get someone else. Then jump ship to the Big 12.

That'd be the ideal scenario, however that's far from likely. Realistically (at least for the coming season), Jimbo's going to keep the dual-role of HC and OC, Stoops looks like he's leaving for Kentucky, and we're not likely going to move to the Big 12 for at least another season or so. Which is total balls.
 
Coaching vacancies, updated:

ACC
Boston College
NC State

B1G
Purdue

Pac-12
Cal
Colorado

SEC
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee

Mid-Majors
Idaho
UTEP
Western Michigan


Bunch of rumors about Kentucky, the last day or two. Supposedly they were about to hire McIntyre out of SJSU, then Butch Jones was about to be announced, now it's Stoops. I wouldn't flip out just yet, FSU fans.
 
Completely agree. Jimbo's a great QB coach, a decent offensive coordinator, and a fantastic recruiter. And it's only a matter of time before Stoops leaves for a head coaching job. Push Jimbo to OC, move Stoops to HC, and either keep Stoops as DC or get someone else. Then jump ship to the Big 12.

That'd be the ideal scenario, however that's far from likely. Realistically (at least for the coming season), Jimbo's going to keep the dual-role of HC and OC, Stoops looks like he's leaving for Kentucky, and we're not likely going to move to the Big 12 for at least another season or so. Which is total balls.

A lot of it will depend on how much money Kentucky can offer Stoops. And also, how much Stoops loves FSU. Even if they can offer him more, it might not matter if it is only a little more and he and his family love it here (which they seemingly do, as do most of our coaches historically). If he's not the HC, Stoops at least needs to be the one of most well paid DCs in the nation. We cannot lose him if we want to keep this up.

Is this FSU Stoops Mike Stoops? Formerly of Arizona?

Yes. Took our defense from like 81st in the nation to the top 5 in two years. He's fantastic. It was hard to see at Arizona because he didn't have the elite talent that FSU has.
 
I'd assume that the Big East will be essentially dead after the ACC uses it to replace two of FSU/GT/Clemson, just a matter of when that happens. I wonder if the Big East will try to grab some good MAC teams as a last-ditch effort to stay alive.
 
A lot of it will depend on how much money Kentucky can offer Stoops. And also, how much Stoops loves FSU. Even if they can offer him more, it might not matter if it is only a little more and he and his family love it here (which they seemingly do, as do most of our coaches historically). If he's not the HC, Stoops at least needs to be the one of most well paid DCs in the nation. We cannot lose him if we want to keep this up.



Yes. Took our defense from like 81st in the nation to the top 5 in two years. He's fantastic. It was hard to see at Arizona because he didn't have the elite talent that FSU has.
Oh I thought he was good. He got hosed at Zona. Had their best season in years, ends up losing to 4 top ten teams to start the next season, and they axe him.
 
This Embree conference. :(

edit: He's basically talking about the Chizik method of winning big quickly now, which gets you four years, apparently.
 
I'm pretty sure the Sugar Bowl isn't obligated to take any SEC team if the SEC winner goes to the NC. So at that point, they are just taking the best team available. UGA has an argument to go because they beat us in the head-to-head, but what's Alabama's argument? We still would have a better resume than the loser of the SECCG so seems completely fair to me.

I'm not speaking of how Florida wouldn't be qualified based on their record at that point. I'm talking more about the fact that if a team can't actually win the conference, they're better off not going to the championship game and having a better shot at a BCS bowl. I'm just saying that the way that I wish it worked was that (for example) the winner would go to the MNC and the runner up would go to the Sugar Bowl rather than falling all the way to the Capital One Bowl or Chik Fil A.
 
IMO slightly worse than Florida getting into the BCS over the loser of the CCG would be back in 2007 when one loss Kansas got into the BCS over two loss Missouri. Mizzou's two losses were both to OU, once in the regular season and once in the CCG, while Kansas' loss was to Mizzou.
 
I'm not speaking of how Florida wouldn't be qualified based on their record at that point. I'm talking more about the fact that if a team can't actually win the conference, they're better off not going to the championship game and having a better shot at a BCS bowl. I'm just saying that the way that I wish it worked was that (for example) the winner would go to the MNC and the runner up would go to the Sugar Bowl rather than falling all the way to the Capital One Bowl or Chik Fil A.

Meh. That's the downside of getting a shot in the CCG. The advantage is if you win, you go to the MNC. The disadvantage is if you don't, you slide.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy; that CCG has been hugely helpful to the SEC over the years.
 
Meh. That's the downside of getting a shot in the CCG. The advantage is if you win, you go to the MNC. The disadvantage is if you don't, you slide.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy; that CCG has been hugely helpful to the SEC over the years.

Thank God for the SEC CCG last year. Thank God.
 
Any chance we'll see Texas vs. Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl? Cotton Bowl gets 3rd or 4th pick of SEC teams and 2nd pick of Big 12 teams. Which really means it gets the 2nd non BCS SEC team and the 1st non BCS Big 12 team. I think there's a chance those teams could be TA&M and UT.
 
I'm pretty sure UF was just prepping for FSU the whole time.

This is exactly what happened. Muschamp had our number and he had the soft late-season SEC schedule to help him slip FSU reps in for at least a few days during those weeks' practices. Plus, EJ managed to completely fuck up everything the one time it mattered the most. It's odd, because he usually does that against lesser opponents (NC State). He's typically good on the "big stage" (took down ND with a fucking broken leg last year). Of course he would fold to Florida on senior day though.

He has been FAR too streaky his entire time here. People say that Jimbo's playbook is too complex, but I don't believe that. He just isn't football smart enough and at the same time Jimbo does not know how to utilize him. EJ is fantastic when he has less time to think. You can see it every time he runs a 2 minute drill. He turns in to this super QB. You saw it in the 3rd quarter vs Florida. Then Jimbo slowed things down and we lost the game. Typical Jimbo play calling on top of EJ's streakyness doomed us.

Also, LosDaddie, you were scarily accurate in your pre-season prediction.

I paid $8.95 and the info there says that this was basically the case. FSU practice was started right after the Georgia game. Almost backfired horribly on us, though.

Meh. That's the downside of getting a shot in the CCG. The advantage is if you win, you go to the MNC. The disadvantage is if you don't, you slide.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy; that CCG has been hugely helpful to the SEC over the years.

Both scenarios have happened to Florida, I think. We lost to Bama in Atlanta (2009) and played Cincy in the Sugar Bowl. We also lost to Bama one year and played in the Citrus bowl. Don't know how I feel. I wouldn't want to get punished for playing the SECCG. Conversely, I'd happily give up the Sugar Bowl for a shot at Bama this year.

BCS doesn't have to take the higher ranked team, right? If they pick Florida I'd imagine it would be because of ratings. Georgia travels better than us but is a lesser draw (or used to be) ratings wise.

But yes, Saban is a super hypocrite for saying it troubles him after what happened last year.
 
I'm not speaking of how Florida wouldn't be qualified based on their record at that point. I'm talking more about the fact that if a team can't actually win the conference, they're better off not going to the championship game and having a better shot at a BCS bowl. I'm just saying that the way that I wish it worked was that (for example) the winner would go to the MNC and the runner up would go to the Sugar Bowl rather than falling all the way to the Capital One Bowl or Chik Fil A.

I understand why that sucks, but why should losing to CG help you? At that point, they are just comparing the resumes of UF and UGA, and most would consider UF's to be better even though UGA has the head to head victory. That isn't a new concept (I remember OU jumped Texas in 2008). You really have to think of it as UF and UGA tied, and the SEC tie breaker favored UGA for the SECCG. For a BCS bowl, a different tie breaker is used, and that one favors UF (polls, overall SOS, etc).

I don't really consider that UGA is getting punished for playing the CG. If UGA's resume was better, they'd be going to a BCS bowl over UF.

IMO slightly worse than Florida getting into the BCS over the loser of the CCG would be back in 2007 when one loss Kansas got into the BCS over two loss Missouri. Mizzou's two losses were both to OU, once in the regular season and once in the CCG, while Kansas' loss was to Mizzou.

yeah that was bullshit
 
I'm not speaking of how Florida wouldn't be qualified based on their record at that point. I'm talking more about the fact that if a team can't actually win the conference, they're better off not going to the championship game and having a better shot at a BCS bowl. I'm just saying that the way that I wish it worked was that (for example) the winner would go to the MNC and the runner up would go to the Sugar Bowl rather than falling all the way to the Capital One Bowl or Chik Fil A.

That's not a good scenario, either. Back in the 90s when the SEC West was "weak", Florida would usually play for the SECCG against a lesser LSU/Arkansas/Bama team. Tennessee would be right behind us and deserve a better bowl than a lower ranked West team.

Basically, playoffs. 16 team.
 
BCS doesn't have to take the higher ranked team, right? If they pick Florida I'd imagine it would be because of ratings. Georgia travels better than us but is a lesser draw (or used to be) ratings wise.

Depends. If the higher ranked team is #3 they get an automatic bid. Or if they are #4 and #3 already got in on an automatic bid or is ineligible for a BCS bowl (probably not this year).
 
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