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[Czigga]

Maybe they can stop calling themselves journalists? 'Jingoists' is my preferred nomenclature.

the guy isn't reviewing Doritos. man you guys are harsh. do you have any idea how much product placement and advertising is in everything you see on tv? what he did is nothing controversial, at all.

in fact I guarantee we will see more of this type of thing as ad blockers get more and more sophisticated, in-video ads and product placement will become increasingly the norm. you might as well get used to it

 

[toddhunter]

Maybe they can stop calling themselves journalists? 'Jingoists' is my preferred nomenclature.

Like the journalists that report on politics?

By and large the gaming guys are just par for the course.

 

[Zissou]

Well, GAF never forgets. But does anyone outside of Gaf even care? I can't imagine the people watching something like the VGA or Michael Pachter Attack being particularly offended by any of this.

Then why respond at all?

 

[Miletius]

Like the journalists that report on politics?

By and large the gaming guys are just par for the course.

Nah those guys are 'TV and Radio Personalities.'

 

[Oersted]

Maybe they can stop calling themselves journalists? 'Jingoists' is my preferred nomenclature.

PR spokesperson. Plain simple.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

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[Barbacoatl]

Like the journalists that report on politics?

By and large the gaming guys are just par for the course.

No, more like the recipients of the Pulitzer prize, but I know in my heart that those are pipe dreams.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

If I had to take a picture with the doritos AND mountain dew and I could eat it all I probably would. Straight up!

 

[Oersted]

the guy isn't reviewing Doritos. man you guys are harsh. do you have any idea how much product placement and advertising is in everything you see on tv? what he did is nothing controversial, at all.

in fact I guarantee we will see more of this type of thing as ad blockers get more and more sophisticated, in-video ads and product placement will become increasingly the norm. you might as well get used to it

You have never seen the video, didn´t you? and because companies acting more and more wrong, you want to accept and embrace it? Fine for you.

 

[Nert]

the guy isn't reviewing Doritos. man you guys are harsh. do you have any idea how much product placement and advertising is in everything you see on tv? what he did is nothing controversial, at all.

in fact I guarantee we will see more of this type of thing as ad blockers get more and more sophisticated, in-video ads and product placement will become increasingly the norm. you might as well get used to it

If there was "nothing controversial," why does he feel the need to make a statement? Why did any of the things that happened happen? Did the people that lost their jobs in this whole mess lose them through sheer coincidence?

 

[Oblivion]

Yes?

Why use the word "jingoist"? I mean from the definition that I'm aware of that would mean something different in this situation.

 

[NullPointer]

you might as well get used to it

Nothing good comes from people who say this. In fact, you're actually part of the problem.

PR spokesperson. Plain simple.

Indeed.

 

[Barbacoatl]

Why use the word "jingoist"? I mean from the definition that I'm aware of that would mean something different in this situation.

I brainfarted, but I didn't sharted.

 

[BocoDragon]

Shilling has its time and place, though, doesn't it?

Sites that actually aspire to journalism should state their policies up front... but I don't know why it's scandalous when mere "entertainment media" turns out to be a marketing apparatus (someone above mentioned Entertainment Tonight as a comparison).

But I'm not really familiar with Keighley... was he masquerading as a member of legitimate news media? if not, I don't see the problem.

 

[speculawyer]

I love the phrase "Doritosgate".

 

[Lkr]

pretty much says it all.

Will be interesting to see what he says about the whole mess though.

speaking of mess, doritos usually leave my hands rather messy

 

[BocoDragon]

I love the phrase "Doritosgate".

Makes me hungry!

The irony is that this makes us think of Doritos.

I heard a story recently that despite all the recent anti-gay criticism of Chick-fil-A, their sales increased during the controversy!

 

[Shambles]

I want him to post a youtube video of him slamming corporate influence while sliding in as many product placements in the video as possible.

 

[BocoDragon]

I want him to post a youtube video of him slamming corporate influence while sliding in as many product placements in the video as possible.

"I will not bow to any sponsor."

 

[Barbacoatl]

Shilling has its time and place, though, doesn't it?

Sites that actually aspire to journalism should state their policies up front... but I don't know why it's scandalous when mere "entertainment media" turns out to be a marketing apparatus (someone above mentioned Entertainment Tonight as a comparison).

But I'm not really familiar with Keighley... was he masquerading as a member of legitimate news media? if not, I don't see the problem.

As you said, there's a time for everything. If these enthusiast outlets want to go full retard, they should just stop pretending to 'care' about gamers and quit doing reviews altogether. Just pimp the games according to which publisher gave the most swag, trips, dinners, clubbing nights, ad space, etc. They want to come off as unbiased when they're not, they answer to ulterior interests, and that doesn't inspire trust.

Anyway, in the end the consumer will vote with its time / money, and if you love geoff's style of infomercial journalism by all means dew it to it.

 

[haikira]

The first time I've heard the situation being called "doritosgate". I love it.

 

[Czigga]

If there was "nothing controversial," why does he feel the need to make a statement? Why did any of the things that happened happen? Did the people that lost their jobs in this whole mess lose them through sheer coincidence?

what? how did Doritos in the video lose people their jobs? in fact it probably helped people KEEP their jobs, or get a raise perhaps. it's also one or two less video ads I have to watch. all of this is good for everything except your high horse.

actually, it's probably more the reaction you so strongly support that's more threatening to jobs.

I'm all for journalistic integrity. I don't like game pubs sending free games to game reviewers. but I think this instance has been unfairly lumped into that same pool of moral transgression when it is a totally different scenario.

edit: and he felt it necessary to make a statement because he's been attacked from the hive mind that is the internet. have yu evwr been attacked on the internet on a wide scale? it probably sucks a whole lot. he collapsed under the pressure. he would probably love to ignore it and not have to say shit. we'd prolly do the same thing in his shoes.

 

[Poyunch]

To show neutrality, he'll sit next to a bag of Lay's and Mello Yello.

 

[Jake Tower]

 

[Jawmuncher]

Gotta say im in the camp of not caring.
I'd take a picture with Mountain Dew and Doritos just because.
Besides I don't really care about Geoff as a game journalist.

 

[Oersted]

what? how did Doritos in the video lose people their jobs?

The link to the case is in the OP. Educate yourself.

all of this is good for everything except your high horse.

Insults won´t help your agenda. As a matter of fact, you are better than this.

I'm all for journalistic integrity. I don't like game pubs sending free games to game reviewers. but I think this instance has been unfairly lumped into that same pool of moral transgression when it is a totally different scenario.

Please define for us what kind of scenario this is.

edit: and he felt it necessary to make a statement because he's been attacked from the hive mind that is the internet. have yu evwr been attacked on the internet on a wide scale? it probably sucks a whole lot. he collapsed under the pressure. he would probably love to ignore it and not have to say shit. we'd prolly do the same thing in his shoes.

Your insights. Mind sharing a source?

 

[Ydahs]

Doritos Pope is legendary. Keighley should embrace it, not hate it.

 

[NaM]

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Why isn't master chief holding a doritos in one hand and a mountain dew in the other? btw lol

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Samuel L. Jackson is really everywhere...

really?

 

[twinturbo2]

Did they change the recipe to Mountain Dew Gamer Fuel? I tried some, I don't remember the aftertaste being so horrible.

 

[Jake Tower]

All I know is my integrity doesn't come cheap. I'm holding out for Totinosgate.

Who wants a pizza roll? Leave a comment on this webzone if you want a pizza roll.

 

[Meccanical]

Did they change the recipe to Mountain Dew Gamer Fuel? I tried some, I don't remember the aftertaste being so horrible.

Did you have some doritos on hand to mix the flavor?

 

[Auto_aim1]

He's responding quite late but at least he is doing that. Guy got massacred by the Internet, should have definitely affected him negatively.

 

[NullPointer]

Why isn't master chief holding a doritos in one hand and a mountain dew in the other?

Good question.

 

[Nert]

what? how did Doritos in the video lose people their jobs? in fact it probably helped people KEEP their jobs, or get a raise perhaps. it's also one or two less video ads I have to watch. all of this is good for everything except your high horse.

actually, it's probably more the reaction you so strongly support that's more threatening to jobs.

I'm all for journalistic integrity. I don't like game pubs sending free games to game reviewers. but I think this instance has been unfairly lumped into that same pool of moral transgression when it is a totally different scenario.

edit: and he felt it necessary to make a statement because he's been attacked from the hive mind that is the internet. have yu evwr been attacked on the internet on a wide scale? it probably sucks a whole lot. he collapsed under the pressure. he would probably love to ignore it and not have to say shit. we'd prolly do the same thing in his shoes.

I was going to type a longer response to this, but it's pretty clear that you haven't really explored the issue in any kind of depth. At the very least, you should skim this post. Yes, people have lost jobs over all of this.

As for the "high horse" comment... what? The bit you quoted from me was just me addressing your suggestion that this wasn't a controversial topic. Of course this is a controversial topic, no matter how much people try to lump a diverse range of opinions and discussions into phrases like "hive mind." The amount of coverage that it's garnered should be sufficient evidence.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I'm looking forward to seeing how he responds, but it's just going to be fluffy bullshit that doesn't really address any concern.

With that being said, the best thing that's come out of Doritogate is these pics and shoops. My god, every time I see him with the dorito hat, I lose it.

 

[Neiteio]

Man, screw you guys.

Doritos are delicious.

 

[Czigga]

The link to the case is in the OP. Educate yourself.

I'm aware of what happened. I'm missing the connection of what Doritos in his video has anything to do with any of it.

Insults won´t help your agenda. As a matter of fact, you are better than this.

you're right. didnt need to do that. Sorry nert

Please define for us what kind of scenario this is.

Advertising. it's called a plug. Do you ever listen to talk or sports radio? they have one almost every segment. Doritos gave ms some money for some promotion. keighley and his employer got some money to plug it.

like I said I think there is a line and it can and has been crossed, but I don't think it was crossed by keighley in this instance. to me, doritosgate has nothing to do with Doritos or him, but rather the underlying goings on, specifically the ps3 hash tag debacle in this case. even the old OP, other than the video in the top of the post, none of it has anything to do with it/him other than lol look at that idiot surrounded by Doritos.

Your insights. Mind sharing a source?

not really insight, just common sense. if I was a semi-public figure and thousands of the consumers in my industry said "you did this! your reputation! what do you have to say for yourself!?", I would be obliged to say something as would most others I think.

 

[Diddy Kong]

double xp = 20/20

 

[Neiteio]

Somewhat off-topic, but broccoli soup lovers, crush up and mix in Nacho Doritos.

Trust me.

 

[Bladenic]

Hate to ask, but what the hell is Doritosgate?

 

[Neiteio]

Hate to ask, but what the hell is Doritosgate?

Keighley appeared alongside dangerously delicious Doritos and thirst-quenching, extremely energizing Mountain Dew.

 

[Loomer]

While sitting next to which fine beverage and snack products?

Canada Dry.

 

[faceless007]

Advertising. it's called a plug. Do you ever listen to talk or sports radio? they have one almost every segment. Doritos gave ms some money for some promotion. keighley and his employer got some money to plug it.

In what should be glaringly obvious, the difference is none of those personalities on the radio claim to be or have the slightest intentions of being journalists. They are entertainment personalities and opinionators and they have no illusions about it. Real reporters for newspapers and, you know, actual journalism organizations, are not allowed to do plugs like that.

If you call yourself a journalist, you better expect to be held to the ethical standards of one.

 

[akachan ningen]

maybe he's all about the paper. I don't care if he is a total shill, that's his life choice. but don't pretend to be something you're not. just come out and say it. 'this is who I am, if you don't like it, fuck off.' but that's hoping for way too much.

 

[Antiwhippy]

The link to the case is in the OP. Educate yourself.

Robert florence-gate is entirely separate from the doritosgate. Geoff didn't cause him to lose his job.

 

[BocoDragon]

maybe he's all about the paper. I don't care if he is a total shill, that's his life choice. but don't pretend to be something you're not. just come out and say it. 'this is who I am, if you don't like it, fuck off.' but that's hoping for way too much.

The problem is that shilling doesn't work if you come out and say you're a shill.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Lol this reminds me of the Simpsons episode when Mr.Burns pledged to fix the Church.

 

[Nert]

The problem is that shilling doesn't work if you come out and say you're a shill.

There's a reason that PR people reach out to games writers instead of just cutting them out completely and taking their material directly to consumers. Something that is more or less a direct advertisement can be given more credibility, and potentially reach a wider audience, if it's delivered by a person or an organization that consumers trust. If you can get, say, IGN to put out previews or news stories that read almost exactly like press releases, it will go a lot further than if a publisher were to try to go it alone.

In other words, more consumers will pay attention to "Geoff Keighley, Games Journalist" than "Geoff Keighley, Doritos PR," even if they're delivering the same basic message.

 

[akachan ningen]

maybe we need scary larry and dan electro to make a comeback.