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[Mariolee]

The whole plot device of Gordon conveniently writing out a full confession that he decided not to say (but is perfectly fine mentioning to a large audience) is ridiculous.

It is odd, for sure, but nothing that brings down the movie in my opinion. For all the audience could have known, the "truth about Harvey Dent" could've been most anything, and seeing how this was only a small gala event it wouldn't have made too much of a splash for him to mention it as a passing comment.

That slight mention of the letter in Gordon's speech at the Dent Day event was supposed to represent how he so eagerly wanted to tell the audience, and against his better judgement could barely hold it in.

 

[Chuckie]

Your shrink never told you to write letters to/about people you hate and then not mail them?

And then mail them anyway?

No, he told him to write about movies he hates on a forum and then post over and over and over again

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I wish I hated it. I wish it was downright awful and completely irredeemable. That would be easier. It could be like a T3 or a Rocky V that I could just ignore.

It's more offensive and disappointing because there are the hints of a great movie in there and it feels like pure laziness is what made Nolan and company drop the ball. Because that is how the script feels - lazy.

 

[Dead Man]

I wish I hated it. I wish it was downright awful and completely irredeemable. That would be easier. It could be like a T3 or a Rocky V that I could just ignore.

It's more offensive and disappointing because there are the hints of a great movie in there and it feels like pure laziness is what made Nolan and company drop the ball. Because that is how the script feels - lazy.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. Some good performances were wasted as well.

 

[Osietra]

I never thought I'd say this guys, but the most recent Universal Soldier was genuinely more enjoyable than TDKR.

This is partly due to it not having Ann Hathaway, and actually having decently shot fights.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I never thought I'd say this guys, but the most recent Universal Soldier was genuinely more enjoyable than TDKR.

This is partly due to it not having Ann Hathaway, and actually having decently shot fights.

 

[strafer]

The hate this movie gets is fucking silly.

A friend that saw it last night called it the worst batman movie ever.

And he hasn't seen the other batman movies.

make sense.

 

[Dany]

You're friend is silly.

 

[Kabuto]

so basically if you didn't preorder the limited edition you're screwed? trying to find it online and no dice. Is there a good amount in store if anyone went today?

 

[neorej]

The hate this movie gets is fucking silly.

A friend that saw it last night called it the worst batman movie ever.

And he hasn't seen the other batman movies.

make sense.

I've seen people call Man of Steel the worst movie of 2012.




These kind of people are not "friends", these are pets that people with an IQ of 80 or higher need to keep and feed tidbits of information now and again. Whenever these pets speak, we just need to look at them, smile and say "that's cute.".


I found this works out well 90% of the time.

 

[IamMattFox]

I bet Man of Steel is going to end up being pretty great.

 

[overcast]

The hate this movie gets is fucking silly.

A friend that saw it last night called it the worst batman movie ever.

And he hasn't seen the other batman movies.

make sense.

It's one of the biggest movies of the year, and the last of a trilogy that is beloved. Makes sense to me. I loved the movie, but I do consider it to be the worst of the three.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Yeah I liked his monologue to Bruce in the fight and prison. But the football speech and the Harvey Dent speech were so bad. The latter especially was just meaningless tbh.

I loved both speeches. The football one was a tad too long but it set up the plot for the rest of the movie so i guess they had to cram in a lot of dialogue.

The Harvey Dent speech at first looked silly to me. The prisoners getting all crazy and Bane looked a little a goofy as well. But after watching it more and more i started to love it. Get Gotham to say fuck the police and rip themselves apart. Just to blow them all up months later anyways. Such a twisted fucked up plan.

There's only 2 things i hate about the movie that will probably never change.
1. Talia. First off i already knew about the twist due to picture leaks which i fully blame Nolan for. Why in the fucking world would you film that scene on the streets? She's literally Talia for 5 mins. You couldn't film that dumb 5 second walk to the Tumbler on a set or something? Or just not have it at all? Now with that said even if i didn't know about the twist i probably wouldn't have liked it anyways. Unlike others i don't think it neutered Bane at all. This revenge plan was just way too convoluted to be pulled off by one dude. So the tag team made sense. But why couldn't it have been revealed earlier? Banes death was brutal so i loved it but it felt so damn rushed because now all the attention was on Talia. If she was established earlier Banes death could have been less rushed. Don't get me started on the worse death scene ever. Fuck it's bad. The acting, the speech, even the music they put with it. Everything was just so off.

2.Autopilot. 3 times they tell us about the autopilot!! It should have been Fox telling him it doesn't work and then the reveal at the end. It would have been PERFECT because you would have forgot all about the autopilot bullshit. The autopilot joke on the roof should have been tossed and the scene before Batman flies off should have been reworded. As soon as he told Catwoman no autopilot i knew something was up. He should have just said something simple like 'I Can't" or whatever.

All together i still love it. My favorite in the trilogy. I guess some people hate the fan service but i loved it. I don't need a whole damn movie to be artsy smartsy. He gave 6 characters amazing endings that they all earned in one beautiful scene.

 

[Solo]

Haven't done my rewatch yet (sometime this weekend), but thinking back to when I saw it in July, I think my greatest disappointment was how "fan-fic-y" the Rhas/LoS stuff was handled. Conceptually, tying Bane to the League and having Rhas appear as a vision to a broken down Buce is fucking fantastic, but the execution of both was incredibly ham-fisted and, like I said, played more like fan fiction that an actual professionally written script.

 

[neorej]

Haven't done my rewatch yet (sometime this weekend), but thinking back to when I saw it in July, I think my greatest disappointment was how "fan-fic-y" the Rhas/LoS stuff was handled. Conceptually, tying Bane to the League and having Rhas appear as a vision to a broken down Buce is fucking fantastic, but the execution of both was incredibly ham-fisted and, like I said, played more like fan fiction that an actual professionally written script.

Agreed, in the beginning of the movie I envisioned that the LOS contracted Bane to finish what Rha's had started. Perhaps as a successor of Bruce / Rha's, perhaps as a completely new member without ties to Begins.

 

[Blader]

His actions don't feel particularly inspired by Batman; he's just a resistance fighter like everybody else (another notion that is woefully underdeveloped).

Batman is the reason that people in Gotham feel inspired to become resistance fighters in the first place. Just look at the role he plays in transforming the police force, how they change from a tool of the mob in BB (where Gordon is the only one worth a damn) to an army where even their relatively worse still devotes their life to serve.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

It's just justification for Bane to have a bigger army to impose his will on Gotham, even if it's as flimsy as it is. All those prisoners are locked up because of the laws made in Dent's honor, if it turns out he's a monster, then he can justify letting them go in a warped sense.

But anyone with a brain could tell he is just full of bullshit and a crazy murderer. I don't think anyone would believe his words are no more than lies. Giving Gotham to the people, while oppressing and threatening them to death. Yeah trust worthy. Maybe the prisoners could buy it, but the regular people never would.

Another thing, I don't understand the motives of the henchmen in this movie. In TDK many of them were at least mental patients, but in this they are not. Are they all just willing to die for him? Hard to buy.

I wish I hated it. I wish it was downright awful and completely irredeemable. That would be easier. It could be like a T3 or a Rocky V that I could just ignore.

It's more offensive and disappointing because there are the hints of a great movie in there and it feels like pure laziness is what made Nolan and company drop the ball. Because that is how the script feels - lazy.

Pretty much.

 

[Mariolee]

But anyone with a brain could tell he is just full of bullshit and a crazy murderer. I don't think anyone would believe his words are no more than lies. Giving Gotham to the people, while oppressing and threatening them to death. Yeah trust worthy. Maybe the prisoners could buy it, but the regular people never would.

Another thing, I don't understand the motives of the henchmen in this movie. In TDK many of them were at least mental patients, but in this they are not. Are they all just willing to die for him? Hard to buy.



Pretty much.

I figured they were all mercenaries hired by what was left of the League of Shadow's wealth, or brainwashed by Bane.

 

[Blader]

His being marginalized by Hauer is one of the clunkier scenes in the whole trilogy, it's full of weird deductions by the characters (I've just explained what the device is, why did you lose one?), it is blatant exposition, and is really only used to set up the "memo" gag for the end of the film. It's the punchline to a lame payoff joke. It's barely characterization. It's my least favorite scene in Begins.

It is a weird scene. "Dig up everything you can on this thing, then you're fired."

Another thing, I don't understand the motives of the henchmen in this movie. In TDK many of them were at least mental patients, but in this they are not. Are they all just willing to die for him? Hard to buy.

BB establishes the League of Shadows as a bunch of lost souls looking for a righteous cause.

Plus, their whole operation in Gotham is a suicide mission. None of them are there because they're looking to retire early and live long lives.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

I figured they were all mercenaries hired by what was left of the League of Shadow's wealth, or brainwashed by Bane.

But he used the abandoned orphans too. Then why add that? The orphan thing gave hints they weren't all from the League of Shadows. Plus they don't look or seem to have ninja abilities.

Even if they were from TLOS, does that make them automatically stupid or from Al-Qaeda? It's not like TLOS is a religion. They do have brains, don't they? Specially when they see/know he will kill them like ants (when he killed his henchmen in the sewers), do they not realize he doesn't care about them, then why should they care about him? lol

 

[LosDaddie]

Amazon say my TDK trilogy set should be here by Friday. Going to rewatch TDKR this weekend. The movie was better on my 2nd viewing in the theater.

 

[Mariolee]

But he used the abandoned orphans too. Then why add that? The orphan thing gave hints they weren't all from the League of Shadows. Plus they don't look or seem to have ninja abilities.

Even if they were from TLOS, does that make them automatically stupid or from Al-Qaeda? It's not like TLOS is a religion. They do have brains, don't they? Specially when they see/know he will kill them like ants (when he killed his henchmen in the sewers), do they not realize he doesn't care about them, then why should they care about him? lol

I believe TLOS was a religion to them, especially if they were all picked up the way Bruce was and brainwashed by Rhas and/or Talia and/or Bane. I mean, even at the very beginning of the film when the mercenary asks, "Have we started a fire?" and Bane answers, "Yes, the fire rises," seems to invoke some tribal sense of what these men are after.

 

[RustyNails]

Foley's such a useless character. They should have brought Stephens back and kept him badass throughout the entire film.

They should've brought back Gordon's scummy partner from Batman Begins. I miss him

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

I believe TLOS was a religion to them, especially if they were all picked up the way Bruce was and brainwashed by Rhas and/or Talia and/or Bane. I mean, even at the very beginning of the film when the mercenary asks, "Have we started a fire?" and Bane answers, "Yes, the fire rises," seems to invoke some tribal sense of what these men are after.

Fair enough, but the LOS members were like ninjas were they not? They don't seem that way in the movie. I found that early scene you mentioned a bit awkward/forced, though it does make that point. I say about the Ninja stuff because they focused on that in BB.

 

[JB1981]

Haven't done my rewatch yet (sometime this weekend), but thinking back to when I saw it in July, I think my greatest disappointment was how "fan-fic-y" the Rhas/LoS stuff was handled. Conceptually, tying Bane to the League and having Rhas appear as a vision to a broken down Buce is fucking fantastic, but the execution of both was incredibly ham-fisted and, like I said, played more like fan fiction that an actual professionally written script.

What makes it fan-fic the Talia reveal?

 

[Solo]

What makes it fan-fic the Talia reveal?

That for sure, but most cringe-worthy was Alfred just talking in great detail about "Ros Al Goo and da League o' Shadows". That was straight fan-fic stuff.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

That for sure, but most cringe-worthy was Alfred just talking in great detail about "Ros Al Goo and da League o' Shadows". That was straight fan-fic stuff.

Yeah, was all their info up online? Doesn't sound like a secret organization.

 

[Solo]

Its made even worse because Alfred didn't even talk like that in the film starring Rhas and the League. It was an info dump exposition given to the completely wrong character.

 

[bud]

The whole plot device of Gordon conveniently writing out a full confession that he decided not to say (but is perfectly fine mentioning to a large audience) is ridiculous.

really? it's ridiculous that someone writes something only to not use it in the end?

that's ridiculous.

 

[JB1981]

That for sure, but most cringe-worthy was Alfred just talking in great detail about "Ros Al Goo and da League o' Shadows". That was straight fan-fic stuff.

The reveal didn't bother me in the slightest. Alfred schooling Bruce on Bane and the League did bother me, though.

 

[.GqueB.]

Even if he was allowed time, it's not like he has any money; he even quit the force. How much gas does "the bat" eat? And the other stuff Tookay said about Ninja training. All I see is him going in the suit and once he runs out of gadgets he gives up and starts facing a midlife crisis.

This actually sounds completely accurate. I doubt "batman" comes with an instruction manual.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I'm sure Bruce left none of his wealth to the kid and took it all with him to blow on pearl necklaces for Selina, makes way more sense when you don't think about it.

 

[PartlyCloudlike]

They should've brought back Gordon's scummy partner from Batman Begins. I miss him

Maybe Nolan doesn't like Falafel?

 

[Dany]

Are the special features on youtube yet?

 

[Messypandas]

Blake doesn't need training, he just needs to keep watch of the automatons

 

[Solo]

Training is nothing. Will is everything!

 

[Blader]

Michael Caine confirms the ending is not a dream. Also confirms he doesn't know anyone's names.

 

[crisdecuba]

This has likely been asked and answered already a bunch of times, but why don't the prisoners climb the pit using the rope?

 

[Stallion Free]

Michael Caine confirms the ending is not a dream. Also confirms he doesn't know anyone's names.

I find it pretty pathetic that people ever thought otherwise.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

This has likely been asked and answered already a bunch of times, but why don't the prisoners climb the pit using the rope?

Mind blown lol.

 

[Messypandas]

This has likely been asked and answered already a bunch of times, but why don't the prisoners climb the pit using the rope?

Because Bane told them not to

 

[Dany]

The rope doesn't go all the way up.

 

[triplestation]

the rope disintegrates upon exiting the hole

 

[artist]

This has likely been asked and answered already a bunch of times, but why don't the prisoners climb the pit using the rope?

Why didnt you preface this question with .... is Bruce dead or alive?

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Honest Trailers - The Dark Knight Rises

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

The rope doesn't go all the way up.

Had to check, and while it's true, it does go way up.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I really don't get the hate with the Alfred stuff. They established in TDK he can use all the computers, look up bios and all that jazz. He's Bruce's right hand man. Plus Bane is not in the LOS. He's in his own fucked up cult version. It makes sense he would let out that he was excommunicated in order to swerve people.

Now i guess i can agree there could have been other ways to do it. But this is fucking Batman! He's supposed to know his shit before he goes to battle. And Alfred giving Bruce help just isn't all that weird to me.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

Don't talk shit about Alfred. He was in Burma.

 

[Messypandas]

I really don't get the hate with the Alfred stuff. They established in TDK he can use all the computers, look up bios and all that jazz. He's Bruce's right hand man. Plus Bane is not in the LOS. He's in his own fucked up cult version. It makes sense he would let out that he was excommunicated in order to swerve people.

Yeah I don't get the whining either, Alfred TDK was all about cross-referencing addys for Bruce and doing the background checks on cops, he's all up in everyone's shit. He probably only knows of the LOS from what Bruce told him. And I can forgive the forced back-grounding on Bane because of how awesome it is.

What I can't forgive is why they misspelt Hiest on the newspaper clipping. Is that a comic reference or something?

 

[Liquidsnake]

So I went home yesterday, GF came home early. We ordered pizza and watched it. My 4th viewing.

I get very emotional during the 1st Bane Bat fight. I shed a tear during the "not everything not yet" scene. The last 5 min I have tears in my eyes.

Such an emotional movie for me. I rate it just above Lincoln as far as movie of the year.

I could watch a montage of Bane 24/7.

I think I have watched it 4 times solely because of him.

"Let the games begin"

This was a 9/10 for me. It gets better every time I watch it.