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Scullibundo said:
The biggest missed opportunity is still Bruce not returning to Gotham in his Begins suit as a last resort after having his armory and suits stolen/destroyed.

When watching the film and seeing the crowd of cops slowly advancing toward Bane's army, I kept imagining Bane seeing something in the sky beyond them - a shadow passing over the group of cops which forces them all to Spielberg Look™ above them. Then Batman - Begins suit Batman, that primal - scary motherfucker reborn, lands in front of Bane and that is what rallies the cops to charge before Bruce rips Bane apart.
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This is actually a great idea, believe it or not.

TDKR was missing that gliding Batman shot. Plus, there wasn't enough of a "fuck yeah" build up to Bruce's second return and this would have been great moment. Batman entering like a goddamn boss. Man, I would get rid of Talia and Blake. I'd do the surprise twist reveal for Bane being in the League of Shadows when he's destroying Bruce. And I'd spend more time with Bruce once he escapes the prison and is returning to Gotham. Just some scenes where he's reconciling what he's become with what he was supposed to become. It would give a little more time to build to his second return.

This movie is filled with missed opportunities. They made Talia such a shit character in this when she's supposed to be so much more. And fuck Blake like always.
 
Scullibundo said:
The biggest missed opportunity is still Bruce not returning to Gotham in his Begins suit as a last resort after having his armory and suits stolen/destroyed.

When watching the film and seeing the crowd of cops slowly advancing toward Bane's army, I kept imagining Bane seeing something in the sky beyond them - a shadow passing over the group of cops which forces them all to Spielberg Look™ above them. Then Batman - Begins suit Batman, that primal - scary motherfucker reborn, lands in front of Bane and that is what rallies the cops to charge before Bruce rips Bane apart.
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I actually agree with you. That would have been a far more fantastic/awesome/badass entrance.
 
You guys sound surprised. I'm full of gold like this. If I'm feeling particularly generous later, I'll tell you guys how Bruce's climb/jump in the pit could have been made much stronger.
 
Scullibundo said:
You guys sound surprised. I'm full of gold like this. If I'm feeling particularly generous later, I'll tell you guys how Bruce's climb/jump in the pit could have been made much stronger.
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I'm not entirely surprised. I had a few of these kind of ideas while watching the film as well.

The climb out of the pit was great. Honestly, I wish the movie really was split into two if only to allow everything to be paced better and to... breathe. It all feels rushed sometimes. Kinda wish we got to see more of Bruce struggling in the pit. Hell, I would have been game for the first half of a second film with him rebuilding himself in the pit. Also wanted to see more of Gotham actually crumbling and falling apart into chaos.
 
I prefer it how it is. The cops marching to what they think is certain doom, prepared to die and stand their ground. The canon's turning towards them... loaded... cocked then BOOM. FUCK YEAH BATMAN OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE. It works without the lame pretension. I also like the implication Batman leaves intervention in life or death situations to the last minute just to intentionally fuck with people. Seriously what if that thing fired a second earlier? Same with Gordon Bombay on the ice.
 
Messypandas said:
I prefer it how it is. The cops marching to what they think is certain doom, prepared to die and stand their ground. The canon's turning towards them... loaded... cocked then BOOM. FUCK YEAH BATMAN OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE. It works without the lame pretension. I also like the implication Batman leaves intervention in life or death situations to the last minute just to intentionally fuck with people. Seriously what if that thing fired a second earlier? Same with Gordon Bombay on the ice.
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He is the dramatic sort, isn't he.
 
I still maintain that Alfred should have been the one to shoot Bane with a shotgun at the end. Would have been better than Catwoman somehow stealth-driving the Batpod into position with the .50 cal guns.

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Dashes through all the chaos of the riot to save Bruce, Selina clears a path, he goes in and shotguns Bane to death. "I've never quite as fond of the no-guns rule as you, Master Wayne". Would have made for a great final moment between Alfred and Bruce (probably a fucking tearjerker) before he goes to stop Talia. The poetry would have been fantastic. Bruce's Alfred kills Talia's Alfred.
 
The second part of IndieWire's Nolan interview is up.

Do you want to keep exploring the blockbuster genre?
I'm open to a lot of different things. I don't have an exact idea of what I'm going to do next, which I am quite enjoying. I've been on a very relentless timeline for the last few years. I worked on this for the last 12 years, so I'm not in any rush. But there are a few [projects] I'm looking at. I like films of all scales and so I feel that in the future if I have the chance, I'll do a lot of different sizes of films.


The films you did in between Batman films were a type of film noir -- anti-heroes, morally dubious protagonists and things end poorly for them.
I suppose. You know to me every film feels equally large. I see scale in storytelling and emotional terms, in budgetary terms I suppose I would say. So for me a story has to be massive in some way, even if it's two guys sitting around talking about something. It has to have an enormity to it that draws me to it. It takes a long time to make a film
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Scullibundo said:
The biggest missed opportunity is still Bruce not returning to Gotham in his Begins suit as a last resort after having his armory and suits stolen/destroyed.

When watching the film and seeing the crowd of cops slowly advancing toward Bane's army, I kept imagining Bane seeing something in the sky beyond them - a shadow passing over the group of cops which forces them all to Spielberg Look™ above them. Then Batman - Begins suit Batman, that primal - scary motherfucker reborn, lands in front of Bane and that is what rallies the cops to charge before Bruce rips Bane apart.
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D-grade fan fic #2359 right here.
 
artist said:
D-grade fan fic #2359 right here.
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I dunno, it's actually a pretty cool idea visually.

But instead of the Begins suit, I'd rather it be some sort of new suit, an unused suit built during the interim of TDK and TDKR, something that combines the beast look of the BB suit with the versatility of the TDK suit.

Cause as badass as the Begins suit is, he still can't move his neck!
 
James Bond 007: Lifestyles of the rich and joking


Extra! Extra! Read all about it, Batman kidnapped by the Joker, was the headline of the Gotham Times, that dreadful day. Robin had even tried to save him. How would the Bat be saved?

Robin: How are we going to save him?

Batgirl: I really don't have any idea at all...

Alfred: In my stays at Buckingham palace, I met a man that just might be able to do the job, my fellow friends...

Robin and Batgirl: Who?

Alfred: His name is James Bond, he's Britain's top secret agent and he is very charming with ladies.

Robin: We want him to save Batman, not to make out with Harley!

Alfred: No, my dear boy, you have a lot to learn, he uses everything he has to his own advantage.

Batgirl: That's about the person we need.

Robin: You can say that again!
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what do you guys think of mine?
 
James Bond is currently in bed with Jinx (at the end of die another day), when his wristwatch goes off.

"Sorry, duty calls," said James as he pushed the button on his watch. "What is it M?"

"I have an assignment for you, that calls for very cautious measures," Said M, "I want you to go to America, in a large city named Gotham City, famous for its superhero, Batman."

"Batman, you really believe that garbage, M?" Asked James, sarcastically.

"Now James, the person who gave you this case, is someone who claims they knew you a long time ago." She said. "His name is Alfred Pennyworth, he is currently working as butler for Bruce Wayne, Gotham City's biggest Aristocrat, he says he used to work for Buckingham Palace."

"Ah yes, he's an old friend of mine." Said James. "But, about this bat business, I think Alfred may be a little too old to be giving out missions.

"James, you have to learn, Batman is Gotham City's crime fighter. He literally runs the police department, the police in Gotham seem to slack off a little too much."

"Okay, M, but don't you think I should take Jinx with me, as back-up?"

"We already had that arranged, James, I already talked to American officials, and they said it would be the two of you attempting to save batman from the person who captured him, The Joker."

"Sounds like a funny fellow!"

"James, your plane arrives tonight in Twenty-Two hundred hours, be ready by then."

"Okay, Jinx, we've got a job on our way."

"What's the deal?" Jinx replied.

"We have to save some crime-fighter, who's called "Batman" from his arch-nemesis, The Joker."

"Sounds like some kind of freaky dream world."

"I wish it were."
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my characters are 3 dimensional than nolan could ever hope to rwite.
 
Certainly doesn't measure up to the quality of

'You should use your real name. I like it... 'Robin.'

That certainly doesn't sound like fan-fic stuff.
 
I'll just ask this here since this also acts as an active Nolan thread.

I recently re watched the Prestige. About the 5th viewing for me but the first for my wife. She loved it! She was so hesitant to watch because she thought it looked boring. She figured about the twist about half way in but still was glued.

Anyway something I picked up or think I picked up...is it implied that the Borden that is hanged for the murder of Angier was the biological father of the daughter? I got the impression that while the Fallon/Borden that survives was the one who loved Sarah (since the one that is in prison apologies for Sarah and not leaving Angier alone), he didn't father the daughter. Would make it even more twisted.

Or am I looking to deep into it?
 
Scullibundo said:
Certainly doesn't measure up to the quality of

'You should use your real name. I like it... 'Robin.'

That certainly doesn't sound like fan-fic stuff.
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Because it doesn't? How does that sound fan fic like?

Charles Foster Kane said:
"Whatever it is, it's nuclear"


"Selina: So where is it?
Daggett: Where's what?
Selina: The program. The 'Clean Slate'.
Daggett: The ultimate tool for a master thief with a record.
[just then one of Daggett's men bursts into his office]
Daggett's Bodyguard: Hold it right there!
[Selina grabs Daggett, shoots the window shattering the glass and jumps out of the window whilst holding Daggett]

[after abducting Daggett, Selina lands on a window cleaning platform, plunging it down the side of the building and turns to Daggett]
Selina: Where is it?
Daggett: The 'Clean Slate'? Where you type in someone's name, date of birth and a few minutes their gone from every database on earth? Sound a little too good to be true."
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Except he says that sarcastically to make her realize how stupid she has been to believe him.

And again how is "whatever it is its nuclear" terrible? The dude is reading the radiation signal from the device. Its about the most basic and logical thing he can say.

Jesus you guys won't stop at nitpicking every single thing.
 
Scullibundo said:
You're just angry because you realize now what this film could have been if the writing crew weren't so lazy.
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Yes, I'm really bitter and angry that they didnt go with in your fan-fic direction.

*Stomps foot*

DMczaf said:
And then Batman and Wonder Woman get married and have a bunch of bat babies.

You can read my script on my blogspot.
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NotTheGuyYouKill said:
The Dark Knight Raises

His kids.
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Oh god, I shouldnt have used the fan-fic word.
 
Wilbury said:
It kinda does... I love the film and don't really have a problem with that scene, but it was just there as fan service.
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I thought we were talking about fan fiction. Not fan service. Obviously that scene/reveal is fan service and I don't even see that as a negative. It was a great scene that got tons of audible gasps from the opening day crowd I saw the movie with.

And of course spawned millions of morons to think Robin Blake was actually going to become Robin, using his own first name.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
The climb out of the pit was great. Honestly, I wish the movie really was split into two if only to allow everything to be paced better and to... breathe. It all feels rushed sometimes. Kinda wish we got to see more of Bruce struggling in the pit. Hell, I would have been game for the first half of a second film with him rebuilding himself in the pit. Also wanted to see more of Gotham actually crumbling and falling apart into chaos.
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Splitting a movie in two does not improve pacing.

Personally, I prefer one quicker movie to two slower ones. It's partly why I'm not totally looking forward to the Hobbit.
 
effzee said:
I thought we were talking about fan fiction. Not fan service. Obviously that scene/reveal is fan service and I don't even see that as a negative. It was a great scene that got tons of audible gasps from the opening day crowd I saw the movie with.

And of course spawned millions of morons to think Robin Blake was actually going to become Robin, using his own first name.
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It does read a little like fan fiction though. The one cop that takes over the mantle of Batman happens to be called Robin? It's both fan service and reminiscent of fan fiction
 
effzee said:
Except he says that sarcastically to make her realize how stupid she has been to believe him.

And again how is "whatever it is its nuclear" terrible? The dude is reading the radiation signal from the device. Its about the most basic and logical thing he can say.

Jesus you guys won't stop at nitpicking every single thing.
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It's just the lines that bugged me the most besides "Robin" and the "get the president"

But yeah, I'll stop.
 
How about this. Batman storms up to Bane in the midst of the chaos; steely reserve they stare each other down like bad mofos. Batman puffs up his chest and explodes two holes in his suit that unsheath the Batnips. Bane cowers to his knees in agony. "How!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!?" Bane screams, tears rolling down his face.
 
To no surprise the special features on the TDKR blu ray sucks. The navigation is disgusting. It reminds me of the first batch of DVDs in 2000. I guess they're going to wait for the ultra edition sets but damn.
 
Killing_Joke said:
To no surprise the special features on the TDKR blu ray sucks. The navigation is disgusting. It reminds me of the first batch of DVDs in 2000. I guess they're going to wait for the ultra edition sets but damn.
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Yeah, I was pretty disappointed. I only watched the Bane-related videos which didn't really explain much in the way of new and awesome content. Oh well.
 
It's fan fiction level stuff the same way Indiana Jones marrying Marion Ravenwood at the end of Crystal Skull is or the same way Yoda facing off against the Emperor is.
 
Wilbury said:
It does read a little like fan fiction though. The one cop that takes over the mantle of Batman happens to be called Robin? It's both fan service and reminiscent of fan fiction
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Well I saw it more as a nod.

I mean we are in the world of Batman so all the characters could be considered huge coincidences or written in to fit the world. The one thief who steaks his mother's necklace just happens to be Selina/Catwoman?

Besides its not even Robin. Just a slight nod for the fans but then it spells it out that he is in fact the next Batman. Or am I limiting my definition of fan fiction to what I see mostly on forums?

There were some lines I did have a problem with. Like Batman's comeback when Bane asks him "come back to die with your city have you?". Or Bane's delivery of "...and then I will break you". Nothing major but those could have been either re written or delivered better. Actually Batman's comeback might be the dumbest lamest comeback in the history of comebacks. Thank god he redeems himself with the "maybe your knife was too slow..." line which I only noticed on my 2nd watch and had me laughing.
 
Scullibundo said:
It's fan fiction level stuff the same way Indiana Jones marrying Marion Ravenwood at the end of Crystal Skull is or the same way Yoda facing off against the Emperor is.
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I actually dug Marion and Indy getting together.

Shia's still a little shit though.

effzee said:
Well I saw it more as a nod.

I mean we are in the world of Batman so all the characters could be considered huge coincidences or written in to fit the world. The one thief who steaks his mother's necklace just happens to be Selina/Catwoman?

Besides its not even Robin. Just a slight nod for the fans but then it spells it out that he is in fact the next Batman. Or am I limiting my definition of fan fiction to what I see mostly on forums?

There were some lines I did have a problem with. Like Batman's comeback when Bane asks him "come back to die with your city have you?". Or Bane's delivery of "...and then I will break you". Nothing major but those could have been either re written or delivered better. Actually Batman's comeback might be the dumbest lamest comeback in the history of comebacks. Thank god he redeems himself with the "maybe your knife was too slow..." line which I only noticed on my 2nd watch and had me laughing.
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Man, how'd that comeback make it through proof-reading?

"So, you came back to die with your city?"

"No, I came back to stop you."

"I... obviously, idiot."

If he'd said something like "I came back to save it", it's still kinda cliche, but it flows so much better.
 
There were hints of that cheesiness in TDK, but they thankfully never manifested themselves into eye-rolling moments.
THIS SHITTY IS FHUOL OF PEOPLE... READY TA BELIEVE IN GEEEEEEOOOOD
 
Scullibundo said:
There were hints of that cheesiness in TDK, but they thankfully never manifested themselves into eye-rolling moments.
THIS SHITTY IS FHUOL OF PEOPLE... READY TA BELIEVE IN GEEEEEEOOOOD
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That line is actually fine. Its the bat voice under duress that ruins it.

If delivered normally, even in Bat voice, it comes across fine. "This city is full of people ready to believe in good."

In TDKR Batman needed to have a similar response. What he says to the Joker is the exact opposite of what the Joker believes and is trying to prove. It proves Batman right. His rebuttal of Bane...um well it does nothing. It should have spoken to the theme. I bet they actually caught Bale off guard with that and only Tom knew there was a line there.
 
Yeah Batmans retort to Bane was fucking abysmal, even a cool silent stare down would have been more acceptable. But honestly I don't think the Nolans get enough props for the gems of dialogue they get in there "The shadows betray you because they belong me". They fucking nailed the villain dialogue in all 3 movies, particulary TDK and TDKR.

Joker hanging upside for example "Madness - as you know - is like gravity. All it takes is a little push." Heaths delivery makes it, and he even improvised the little "as you know" jab, but the script is never clunky enough to feel unnatural.
 
I don't know if you guys have read The Dark Night Returns, but there's a part where the cops are chasing after some bad guys and upon seeing batman one of the cops tells his partner "we're in for a show, kid."

Thats exactly similar to what the cop said in Rises when he saw batman: "boy are we in for a show tonight."


I noticed that when i watched the bluray. Nice touch! I had a nerdgasm.
 
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