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The Dark Knight Rises |OT2| The Legend... Continues
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Liquidsnake
Banned
There *are* more than two possible approaches, you know.....
I want to see something more fantastical again, but minus the camp.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I think its either for 5 year old kids, or its for a more mature audience. That's it.
That's the mindset of Hollywood.
Messypandas
Member
Just put it away for a while and stop shaking it.
None of the live action Batmans are for 5 year old kids. So, no.
And a tonal change is needed and will be welcome. We've have enough takes-itself-so-goddamn-seriously, somber Nolan Batman for a while.
I'd like to see a Gotham that had the art deco aesthetic of TAS.
Liquidsnake
Banned
This is the only route that will get my money.
Appears Superman learned a lot from Batman.
Kindly explain the success of the Spider-Man trilogy or the Marvel films then, please.
Messypandas
Member
Unfortunately TDK created the blueprint for many films now, not just superhero films (Spider-man, Man of Steel). Heck, even Skyfall was TDK-lite even by the directors own admission
I could go for that, or go the opposite way completely and do a futuristic, Batman Beyond type of thing.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I don't know about tone, but I think audiences have come to expect Batman to be more grounded to a degree. At the end of the day, Batman is just a man, so seeing him do absurd things (like sky surfing) would be a major turn off I'd think.
Liquidsnake
Banned
It works for me at least for my age group.
I love despair, I want our heroes to go to dark places inside.
Yes? I also live in a world where the highest grossing superhero movie ever is light, brisk, funny and couldn't be further from Nolan's Batman films, tonally or aesthetically.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Yeah, I will also welcome a different approach.
totally, they really ripped of the joker with silva too.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I look forward to more movies grounded in a certain reality.
Superman is next in line, and from clips I have seen I am very very intrigued.
Superman is next in line, and from clips I have seen I am very very intrigued.
Dredd was serious and nothing like TDK. It was also better than TDK.
Escape Goat
Member
Not me. That was my biggest gripe with Nolan Batman. It was too grounded and not enough superheroics that make Batman cool. I dont want Schumacher levels of cheese but something in between.
Wasn't Dredd also satirical to a degree?
Because we all miss drunk Iron Man.
tdk changed modern cinema as we know it. its a well known fact that children of men was hugely influenced by batman begins.
To an extent, but its not like it was a Paul Verhoeven film by any stretch.
Messypandas
Member
Don't get me wrong this is personally my favourite approach for Batman because many of his villains are not fantastical in the slightest and are very much human. Transferring that blueprint to MOS may be a mistake, I'll wait til I judge; but i would have preferred an All-Star Superman take.
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Dredd was a relatively fun way to spend an hour and a half. But corridor shoot out after corridor shoot out and it was a bit boring by the end.
Plus it had a black guy and TDK also had black guys so you can see the influence
Dredd was lean and mean and didn't outstay its welcome. Can't say any of those things for TDK.
Liquidsnake
Banned
It did for me. I mean I never looked at these movies the same again, and it made Thor and Captain America unwatchable for me.
Ill admit I liked the Avengers, but it was mostly for Ironman.
Even the first Ironman was grounded and a little dark. It worked for me. More importantly it worked for those who are dragged along by their dates.
My GF loves Nolan Batman. Wanted to kill me during the Avengers.
Loves Ironman go figure.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Messypandas
Member
wtf? He's Ra's in every form of Batman media. You're kind of a weirdo when it comes to correct spelling, aren't you.
Killing_Joke
Member
Ra's is a great character and a damn important one in the trilogy. But an extremely boring villain. He's a villain for 10-15 mins. He presses a button, talks a lot and fights Batman for 2 mins. His "master plan" to destroy Gotham is just as hard to swallow as Banes/Talias. Actually they're damned near identical.
Can't even think of a reason why he hid his identity except for Nolan/Goyer wanting a random twist. Dude was ready to fuck up Gotham before so why is finding out he's the real Ra's even matter? His motivation is exactly the same. As soon as he was pressuring Bruce to chop a dudes head off you knew he was bad news.
Bane was a force from beginning to end. Killing good guys, bad guys, Hanging soldier bodies in the sky, snapping necks, and even killing off his own people! Dude just didn't give a fuck.
Can't even think of a reason why he hid his identity except for Nolan/Goyer wanting a random twist. Dude was ready to fuck up Gotham before so why is finding out he's the real Ra's even matter? His motivation is exactly the same. As soon as he was pressuring Bruce to chop a dudes head off you knew he was bad news.
Bane was a force from beginning to end. Killing good guys, bad guys, Hanging soldier bodies in the sky, snapping necks, and even killing off his own people! Dude just didn't give a fuck.
Theatricality and deception
Messypandas
Member
He also has the lamest is villain quote in the series:
"Time to spread the word gentlemen, and the word is...panic"
"Time to spread the word gentlemen, and the word is...panic"
Not that guy. I'm talking about the guy that was mercilessly crushed in the garbage truck when the Tumbler crashed into it.
Except Rha's plan had people actually going att each other's throats, while in Bane's plan, people just went on with their daily lifes.
Worst quote in the series? Have we done that yet? Here's mine:
"I came back to stop YOU!"
Probably a tie between that and Dagget explaining what the clean slate was.
Slate, but I didn't think that was bad; it was kind of like 'what, you thought the computer chip which wiped a criminals entire history existed?' Just seemed like he was trying to highlight its implausibility
Best quote: "We kill the Batman."
Worst: Tie between Batman's "This city just showed you [pause to catch breath] that it's full of people ready to believe in gooooooooooooooooood."
and Talia's monologue when she stabs Batman.
Killing_Joke
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For the audience sure. But why Bruce? He was grooming him to be his right hand man.
You didn't watch the scene where hundreds of people were being attacked and thrown out their homes? They even had a scene with a sad Selena looking at a family photo from a house that just got ransacked. It only seemed so peaceful because the movie was jumping from weeks to months in time where i assume a good chunk of people are dead.
Plus Ra's only fucked up a tiny island. Bane took over the whole city.
wtf? He's Ra's in every form of Batman media. You're kind of a weirdo when it comes to correct spelling, aren't you.
Rhas, Blande...Solo is on his own language.
:lol, yes. That's another thing that stuck out on my BB rewatch: the shit ton of cheesy oneliners.
I agree with all those criticisms, but still love Hardys performance. :/
Did the last 2 min give you chills?
Yes. I was just blown away throughout the movie honestly.
I think the beginning of the movie wasn't quite as effective as the beginning of The Dark Knight, but other than that it was right up there IMO.
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