eot
Banned
Self consistent?
Giant Bomb Thread The Third: #TeamBrad
- Thread starter randomlyrossy
- Start date
- Status
Self consistent?
EmCeeGramr
Member
Verisimilitude.
slightconfuse
Banned
i would have loved if they ended it there
Well that was what I thought would be the ending. Until it just kept on going. But yes I fully agree with you. That would have been a better ending. Nobody dares to make the simple endings nowadays though. You see that both in the movie and the gaming Industry.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If they wanted speculation, they could have faded to black with
and just left it at that. Maybe cut to
Shepard's death
Buzz Aldrin just to confirm that the organics survived or something.
ColonelColon
Member
Yeah, that's the word I was straining to remember.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Way before the game came out, I thought
that with the emphasis on Earth and the human race, and past Mass Effect themes about humanity's role in the galaxy and whether or not the ends justify the means, that the ending would reveal that whatever Reaper-destroying device you'd found would cause massive destruction, and you'd have to choose between annihilating the Earth and yourself to save the galaxy in a localized detonation, or spare Earth and mess up the rest of the galaxy by spreading the energy out.
Yep, there you go. Bittersweet ending that makes most of the players happy. I mean, I'm sure that someone would have complained about it, but probably not the extent of the "space magic" ending.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
As for Shepard,
^^^RED DEAD REDEMPTION SPOILERSSSSSS^^^
Killing him is just pathetic. These "You can save everyone but you have to die" endings are terrible. Stupid, lazy, unoriginal, so obligatory. It's such an utterly pathetic, focus test-friendly, generic way of trying to induce pathos and tears, and it DOESN'T WORK. The way it's handled is generally bad, and Mass Effect 3's is no exception whatsoever. When John Marston dies in RDR, it's effective because he doesn't sacrifice himself in some obligatory scheme. He dies like a nobody, gunned down just because his job was done and they couldn't stand letting him live. And it's also why the accusation that people didn't like ME3's ending for not being happy enough is laughable, because the ending of RDR is heavily-lauded. It's all in the execution, not the mere concept of the main character dying = instant award winner.
^^^RED DEAD REDEMPTION SPOILERSSSSSS^^^
Hot Coldman
Banned
So ME1's ending, but on a way bigger scale.
eot
Banned
Something that would've that what we got.
I'll put it on the pile gently to make sure it doesn't fall over.
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
Yeah... I'd point to The Walking Dead as an example of a game where the ending isn't necessarily super surprising or complex but its fairly simple, well executed and just works.
Its like BioWare wanted to have another shocking KoTOR type revelation with the ending when they should have quit while they were ahead. It doesn't really even match up tonally with the rest of the game which is pretty straight forward save the world, unite factions, use MacGuffin sort of a story, but it mostly works. Keeping it simple and executing that really well is better than trying to imbue a story with some slipshod last minute revelations.
The whole Buzz Aldrin thing was another example of not knowing when to stop. Seriously, why was that even in there at all? Other than it seemed like BioWare and Casey Hudson really wanted to shove Buzz Aldrin in their space game somehow?
Brawndo Addict
Banned
Woops, I said the same thing a few pages ago and forgot to spoiler tag, that has now been corrected. I also went back and read some of my old posts in the massive spoiler threads we had upon release and I'm surprised to see they hold up. Glad to know I retained my sanity fighting in the trenches.
Much thanks for the RDR spoilers.
Hey everybody, surprise RDR spoilers in post above.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Fixed it, might want to edit the quote too in case somebody misses the original post.
Can't wait for my "I spoiled Red Dead" title.
Can't wait for my "I spoiled Red Dead" title.
eot
Banned
Excellent point.
The problem with the ending was never that it was sad, because it wasn't sad. The problem (one of them anyway) was that it had no emotional payoff of any kind. It wasn't fulfilling, uplifting, tragic, bittersweet or whatever else you can come up with. There wasn't even tension. It was a bad moment and to end the whole trilogy on it.... god.
Mordin's death is simultaneously the saddest but also the best and most powerful moment in the entire series. Shepard dying could've been a great moment, but it was so arbitrary and in those final moments Shepard didn't have any agency anyway, so Shepard doesn't even die being Shepard. Actually, there was practically no emotion in any of the Earth-assault part of the game. It's like they forgot that the series has always been about, and been grounded in the characters. A good ending and final mission should've involved the characters, just like the suicide mission.
Mordin's death is simultaneously the saddest but also the best and most powerful moment in the entire series. Shepard dying could've been a great moment, but it was so arbitrary and in those final moments Shepard didn't have any agency anyway, so Shepard doesn't even die being Shepard. Actually, there was practically no emotion in any of the Earth-assault part of the game. It's like they forgot that the series has always been about, and been grounded in the characters. A good ending and final mission should've involved the characters, just like the suicide mission.
It's the ME1 ending choice situation on a larger scale, which would have been a great way for ME3 to close the loop in a grand way.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I had always hoped Bioware would have some guts and
make the Renegade choices the "good" choices and the Paragon choices come back to bite you in the ass. It could have been awesome to be rewarded for being a no-nonsense, hell-bent asshole because holy shit the universe is ending. The choices could have been viewed through the lens of what is nice, and what is necessary.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
An entire thread of blacked-out text and "Brad is bad at games."
No way Jose,
that's even worse than sucking up to Paragons. A healthy mix of both would have been fine.
I play a space paladin Jesus Shepard and I like it that way.
This is literally what I thought the final choice was going to be up until the moment I hit the ending. I was convinced that the Bioware writers would be so short-sighted as to think it was even a choice.
My Shepard isn't from Earth and has no connections there. Fuck 'em. Let Earth burn.
Then we got the actual choice, and I realized that even the idiotic Bioware writers in my head were too smart for reality.
slightconfuse
Banned
im guessing there is no chance they will do a never dead quick look, for content this week
Its too bad, rolling around as a head with your limbs flopping around is prime ql material
EmCeeGramr
Member
YOU'RE A POOR GAME
slightconfuse
Banned
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Is the Binary Domain love around here
ironic or what
or maybe I played a different game
ironic or what
or maybe I played a different game
It is now my mission to become a mod so I can ban you.
I haven't played BD yet I just got it for 10 bux on black friday
Get out.
The ending of ME3 was pretty bad, but I don't understand why people point to
the fleet being stranded at Earth and Garrus and Tali having nothing to eat as evidence of the ending being bad. Complain about the deus ex machina, but just because defeating the Reapers had some negative consequences doesn't mean the ending was bad in a narrative sense.
chickdigger802
Banned
On a side note, Klepek is taking suggestions on what to do with all this 999/VLR knowledge.
I suggested doing a spoilercast with some other press guys that played them.
I suggested doing a spoilercast with some other press guys that played them.
Reticent Rhino
Member
Personally I always found it dumb that
^(in response to Brad wanting an example of something that's logically inconsistent with the Mass Effect universe's fiction)
they have the Catalyst suggest the Destroy option to Shepard in the first place. The Catalyst and his Reapers have killed billions, possibly trillions, of lifeforms over hundreds of thousands of years all in service to his ideology. He clearly wants Shepard to pick Synthesis (or even Control as a second place option). So why tell him about the option that runs counter to everything he's done for millennia? Why would the Catalyst run the risk of letting Shepard pick the "wrong" option?
^(in response to Brad wanting an example of something that's logically inconsistent with the Mass Effect universe's fiction)
Really. The game is afraid to progress the story without a combat sequence. It's just fight sequence after fight sequence and the gameplay just isn't very good. You're fighting the same robots throughout the game and they're all destroyed the same. And when they give you a brief story moment between these overlong, tedious fight sequences it's almost always uninteresting. The dialogue and events are predictable for almost the entire game. The only thing I didn't guess was the twist because it was so stupid and terrible it never entered my mind. UGH WHAT A BAD GAME IT IS.
The game desperately needed more quiet moments to break up the tedious gameplay. There's two times (I think) the game takes a break and both don't involve anything interesting happening and you're forced to walk at a snail pace during them. In fact, you're walking at a snail pace the whole game. You're so fuckin' sluggish, the movement speed should have been just a little higher.
Also the PC port is still bad.
slightconfuse
Banned
i think kevin van ord has played them. i wouldnt mind an article about his experiences
Felix Lighter
Member
It is not a thing that you can comprehend.
Meatvillain
Banned
I wouldn't say it's poor, it does some cool things, but this idea that it needed to be played before year's end is crazy.
You know, seeing as it's getting increasingly rare for two or more of the GB guys to have played the same game to completion (especially the more obscure stuff like 999), it might be a good idea to do Jartime-like vids of just Patrick or whoever talking about a game they recently finished - complete with all out spoilers.
It's not as ideal as a Bombcast discussion, but I think it's a fairly good compromise and would be way better than Spookin' (no offence Patrick, but I'm just not a fan of that series).
I disagree. It has the dialogue options but they don't really change anything so they might as well not have been there. At least then they could have had your dude and your squadmates have properly voiced, better written dialogue. What's in the game is
"Blah blah blah."
"Yeah."
"I know, right? Blah blah blah."
and it's so hard to be engaged in any of it.
I'm takin' a stance, man. The game has no redeeming qualities. There's nothing in it worth seeing. Patrick should have spent his time on a different game instead.
I'm also of the opinion (as I mentioned earlier) that Binary Domain is way overrated. It has some wacky, funny, and over-the-top stuff especially in the first half, but that's it. The combat is okay at best, and the second half of the game is just dull.
Mine was also in September (like another poster mentioned in response to this post), and I also used the web form on the page linked above except that I sent two forms and never got any response. It is what it is at this point, and I in no way would expect them to refund me now, but they've also guaranteed that I will never, ever give them money again.
Also some other people mentioned this as well, but the 2013 subscriber shirts feel cheap and flimsy as fuck, so that doesn't help either.
Mine was also in September (like another poster mentioned in response to this post), and I also used the web form on the page linked above except that I sent two forms and never got any response. It is what it is at this point, and I in no way would expect them to refund me now, but they've also guaranteed that I will never, ever give them money again.
Also some other people mentioned this as well, but the 2013 subscriber shirts feel cheap and flimsy as fuck, so that doesn't help either.
I'm only a few hours in, but I think I feel the same way. The controls feel awful on KB/M and the combat doesn't seem great. The story and characters seem interesting so far.
What's good about it? I really went into the game wanting to like it, it just seems extremely bland other than a goofy story and good characters. It's no Vanquish.
I was always kind of on board with ME3's ending, I actually liked it. But this is making me rethink everything.
shadyspace
Banned
Good idea. You should pass it along.
Like what?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
They've already "paid me back for paying them" in full. I think I'll dabble thru the older Premium videos for gems.
It's even more mind-boggling that it was a planned trilogy, planned as a trilogy and has this many "scribbled out on yellowpad the day before" feel to it. In a medium that is very violent towards this kind of iterative story-telling over sequels (Suikoden, anyone?), the ammount of suspension of disbelief they seem to ask of the player is huge. I mean, if they seem to not give a shit about giving a shit, why should we (along with money)?
PsychoSoldier
Banned
It doesn't make it narratively bad, but it does essentially undo any good you could have done in the universe, especially regarding the Quarians. "Good job saving the Quarians. Too bad they're now all going to die before they can get to any food they can eat." It's yet another way it feels like a giant "LOL I HIT RESET BUTTON NOW" by the starchild. Yet another way the game takes the many decisions you made throughout the series and squished them into the uniform paste that the ending creates.
Possibly the worst thing about it is that despite the implications that people drew from the ending, if Bioware did actually want to go that dark they refused to actually own it---instead giving a heavily protracted and heavily unexplained ending that forced people to read into it without making them spell it out.
Possibly the worst thing about it is that despite the implications that people drew from the ending, if Bioware did actually want to go that dark they refused to actually own it---instead giving a heavily protracted and heavily unexplained ending that forced people to read into it without making them spell it out.
- Status