crimsonspider89
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Yeah, the final exam and the first arc were really well done. The book was entirely character driven.
This.... is not at all.
This.... is not at all.
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Supermanisdead
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The football game was one of the worst issues of the year! Avengers Academy doesn't hold a candle to the superior Avenger training series, Avengers: The Initiative.
crimsonspider89
Banned
I liked the football issue. Was nice to see the interactions between both schools. But the highlight of the series was the first arc were you get to know everybody and the final exam where the students really became heroes.
slightconfuse
Banned
i liked the Kovac arc as well. especially what happened to repltil. also the Prom issue was pretty good as well
i have no idea what is going on in the GOTG reboot. but i already dont like where it is heading. they are ignoreing everything DnA did it seems
supermanisdead said:
Avengers.TI was good for 13 issues.
BenjaminBirdie
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Prolly wanna bank some trades
I am pretty sure the antagonist of the book is
Arcade
And it plays out
almost exactly like Battle Royal. The proctor introduces himself and the rules of the game, kills a student and then leaves the rest to the other participants. Only different being Arcade gave them a chance to choose who died first.
I don't know how objective you could be considering that all the new characters
spoke at most a line. Some of them didn't get a chance to speak at all yet. Also, you didn't think he was cowardly? He kidnapped children, first off. He then picked the easiest kids he could get to which he clearly states in the book. He then fights them making use of whatever odd powers he seems to have in this place. You are asking for quite a lot from 22 pages.
I am not even mad. I am just saying.
slightconfuse
Banned
does the first issue explain how darkhawk is in the book
Whenever
Thanos
will be so he can kill him
The rest are so dumb. I've never had a problem with reboots in the past, but that's because it's stuff that's super popular, and I've accepted that they're going to mess with it, but GOTG was a real niche thing forever. Cosmic in general was niche to most readers unless you're talking Galactus, Surfer, Thanos, and maybe Black Bolt and the InHumans.
It would be like if they said, 'Yeah, we want Beta Ray Bill in Thor 3... But he's not very marketable, so we're gonna remake him to look like Ryan Gosling'. Defeating the entire purpose of Bill. Just like this remake defeats the purpose of GOTG that they look like some 50s noir crazy coked up space outcasts.
It explains the situation that all the kids are in and from there the story will shift perspective from each of the participants and deal specifically with them. So that will be known when it's Darkhawk's turn to tell his story.
Oh, is that the legit reason? I honestly wasn't aware that was a thing. Scratch that off my list, then.
Agreed with the rest of your points.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I thought that guy was dead >_>
crimsonspider89
Banned
No, for the story to be successful there have to be antagonists WITHIN the students which there have not been. I am asking from Hopeless what other writers would of done. And within 22 pages, Gage gave us the character of all of his students as did Aaron and Hickman.
And no the book explains not how or why Darkhawk is in the book.
Difference is proctor showed up and killed a student out of the student not paying attention where Arcade killed to make the other students kill and fight. Every other subject material has an internal antagonist. That is what makes the story thrilling. Will the protagonist become like the antagonist present or will he rise above? None of that is present.
And no the book explains not how or why Darkhawk is in the book.
slightconfuse
Banned
thanos?
Bendis revived him and star lord in some unexplaniend reason in avengers assemble
got to get those movie dollars
got to get those movie dollars
slightconfuse
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Uncanny X-men News
-Doctor Doom level villian to show up at some point
- double shipping
-uncanny #3 and/All new X-men #9 will cross over
-new hellfire club to show up
-will adress why their powers are funky
-new mutants to join book
-As for Magik, Bendis stated there was "some big, juicy stuff going on with her.
Badass Magneto
-Doctor Doom level villian to show up at some point
- double shipping
-uncanny #3 and/All new X-men #9 will cross over
-new hellfire club to show up
-will adress why their powers are funky
-new mutants to join book
-As for Magik, Bendis stated there was "some big, juicy stuff going on with her.
Badass Magneto
Lol emma
why is because Arcade got him. How is to be seen. So the only way for a story like this to be successful is if there is a "evil kid" among the players? Are you sure that is to help the story or just easier for the reader to swallow because they have someone to point fingers at. You also don't know any of the new characters at all, so I don't know how you are able to draw that conclusion off issue 1.
Arcade is probably banking on a certain someone going nuts after this issue's events and being the primary push for what is going to happen. That is my guess anyway. It is important to remember that he is a schemer and plans his steps out. His thing is, after all, the creation of these elaborate and out there death traps.
The black and white made me think someone....well you get the idea
crimsonspider89
Banned
No for a story of this kind there has to be some kind of internal antagonist which pushes the protagonist to go evil which there is not. The internal antagonist job is to push the protagonist to cross the line.
So your logic is that he got just cause. And he had to sell the story in the first issue which he did not at all. Not just me, majority of people are repeating the same response I had. The story was bland, mischaracterization and none of the character development he promised but a mindless death where he did not even characterize hazmat or Mettle correct. I am sorry but his Arcade did not sound like Arcade at all. He made no puns and lacked his typical attire. You are saying wait to see but if you are creating a controversy story, you HAVE to sell the positive in the first issue. Remender did it with UXF. Hickman sold Johnny's death much better than Mettle's death. Walker's art is nice but the book was crap.
Supermanisdead
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i'm still laughing at magneto's bare arms in his new costume. emma's new costume looks great.
No, my logic is that he got darkhawk because he could. There are no grudges here. He simply wanted wanted players for his game and somehow, darkhawk was very accessible to him just as the Academy kids were because the staff was gone and most of the students were too. There is nothing to apologize about. Your opinion is entirely your own. I thought that the characters did feel like they should. Mettle and Hazmat did what I expected Mettle and Hazmat to do. I honestly don't see how they were out of characterization so if you could explain that to me, I would appreciate that.
Modernization tends to happen to characters who were created in 1960's. I am not sure if anyone should be faulted for that.
Of course, that's just my opinion and I have to assume that this is Marvel's opinion too since they went ahead and made the design changes that they did. I guess you do feel that he looks pretty intimidating there.
I stopped pre-ordering All New X-Men after #6 until i hear that Bendis has enough content and ideas to run two books at the same time with one double shipping. I don't believe he will, i think he will devolve into the sludge that was his Avengers duo. Hickman pulled it off with FF and Fantastic Four, but i don't trust Bendis like i do Hickman. I don't think pulling half the story content out of All New X-Men to fit into a new book is going to be the benefit of either one.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I liked Arcade's look in a recent X-Factor, drew him with the SNAZIEST arcade socks
I hope that isn't the case because I really like ANXM.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Ummmm..... okay where to begin?
Mettle was shellshocked with one person dying. Yet he did I only care about you dying. That is nothing like Mettle. Also did not at show Mettle's humor during the battle scene and just wrote him as a Thing clone. I hardly could recognize him. Hazmat's beginning inner monologue made no sense considering she grew up miss popular till her power hit and then became a freak who didn't even fit in with the freaks which turned her cynical and harsh. She was never described as a hater and in Academy was shown to have grown out of the cynical stage, maybe still blunt and brash. I think a villain can be made into a legit threat without changing everything about there look and personality. Didn't show Arcade at all conversing with buyers or making his typical puns. Other comedic villains kept the comedy routine but established as threats such as Joker. The first issue he had to impress the naysayers which Hopeless did not and instead gave us all the ammo of what we said the book was going to be. And why did he not have Arcade mention the relationship he had with Academy or the fact the Academy kids already had a run in with Arcade? So much history and character left wrong. Just makes me shake my head.
I went and spoiled Avengers Arena for myself too. I couldn't resist the temptation, and frankly my LCS owner will probably be glad I haven't marred one of his copies by reading it and then sticking it back on the shelf like I planned.
I'm one of the people who has dreaded this series since it's announcement.
It's tough, because surely it has to go the route of being either an utter waste of characters, or the route of being a pointless fake-out, and both of those are pretty rubbish really.
Either way, it's safe to say that I didn't go into it objectively. I expected to dislike it... honestly though, I found it rather bland. Arcade
, and frankly that's about it. Well, that and
Having read it I still consider the entire idea of the series to be tasteless, mean-spirited, somewhat exploitative dross, I still consider it a waste of characters, and I'm still not going to buy it.
I did surprise me though, because I expected to care about what's happening, but the issue itself seems to have successfully pushed me past the point of giving a damn. I imagined that despite myself I'd still be reluctantly curious, but I no longer intend to follow what's going on with it at all. I guess it got it out of my system or something.
And so my only other real comment on the issue is
.
Edit: That Emma cover bothers me so much. I generally really like Bachalo's style, but I just can't see how her spine can support her legs being in that position unless she snapped one of them off and is holding it in position with that hand.
I'm one of the people who has dreaded this series since it's announcement.
It's tough, because surely it has to go the route of being either an utter waste of characters, or the route of being a pointless fake-out, and both of those are pretty rubbish really.
Either way, it's safe to say that I didn't go into it objectively. I expected to dislike it... honestly though, I found it rather bland. Arcade
seems to be exhibiting flashy god powers which are... well, flashy god powers
the red explosion that was the guy whose power is that he's virtually indestructible, because hey, why not. No reason to let logic interfere with letting the black guy die first.
Having read it I still consider the entire idea of the series to be tasteless, mean-spirited, somewhat exploitative dross, I still consider it a waste of characters, and I'm still not going to buy it.
I did surprise me though, because I expected to care about what's happening, but the issue itself seems to have successfully pushed me past the point of giving a damn. I imagined that despite myself I'd still be reluctantly curious, but I no longer intend to follow what's going on with it at all. I guess it got it out of my system or something.
And so my only other real comment on the issue is
that Arcade completely fails to take advantage of the perfect opportunity to quote Anne Robinson. Considering that the set-up was all there it seemed like an odd omission... even though if he had said it, I'd probably have groaned
Edit: That Emma cover bothers me so much. I generally really like Bachalo's style, but I just can't see how her spine can support her legs being in that position unless she snapped one of them off and is holding it in position with that hand.
I thought the deal was that Mettle flipped because he killed someone? Not so much that people died but that he got his hands dirty? Also it isn't possible that given the particular circumstance, he was more interested in keeping Hazmat safe than anyone else? I don't think we got to see too much of anyone fight during the fight scene. They were too busy getting smacked around. He also left the fight rather early when Hazmat was thrown into some other area. I don't even get how you can confuse him with the Thing. The only thing in common between the two is that they are both big bruisers made of rock/metal. I guess Mettal wasn't too interested in cracking a joke given the circumstances though I am sure that would have felt totally natural. The entire point of that is to show that they can not over power Arcade in his current state. It showed that.
What does Hazmat's popularity have to do with her negativity? You can be popular and complain about a lot of things. You are probably more inclined to because your peers are more likely to listen to you. Your problem is seriously that no one has ever specifically called hazmat a "hater" before? Because that is what I am getting from that statement. If they have said and done that before, wouldn't it be redundant to say it now?
They didn't change everything about Arcade's look and personality. He still has the same color scheme and general look. They changed the tie, the jacket, the shoes and made his hair longer (and this is not the first time he has changed his hair, mind you). The color scheme remains the same and the feel remains the same. Arcade's personality is intact. He still likes to put on a show, and likes to show off and brag. Do you have any evidence that he is a totally different character besides "he doesn't tell puns anymore". A lot of characters don't. Because the times have changed. Arcade wasn't conversing with buyers because (for what we know so far) he is doing it for himself. He is tired of losing and being seen as a joke. He is doing this to gain some credibility as a legitimate threat. What would be the point of mentioning what happened previously in Avengers Academy? "Oh by the way I fought those kids over there before". What does that add to the story beside give an unnecessary nod to academy readers. Again, you have 22 pages to tell a story every issue. Why would you waste space on something that insignificant. If at some point Reptil or something decides to say " I don't remember this guy being this serious" or something like that when it's his turn to take the lead, then fine but why right at the beginning?
What does Hazmat's popularity have to do with her negativity? You can be popular and complain about a lot of things. You are probably more inclined to because your peers are more likely to listen to you. Your problem is seriously that no one has ever specifically called hazmat a "hater" before? Because that is what I am getting from that statement. If they have said and done that before, wouldn't it be redundant to say it now?
They didn't change everything about Arcade's look and personality. He still has the same color scheme and general look. They changed the tie, the jacket, the shoes and made his hair longer (and this is not the first time he has changed his hair, mind you). The color scheme remains the same and the feel remains the same. Arcade's personality is intact. He still likes to put on a show, and likes to show off and brag. Do you have any evidence that he is a totally different character besides "he doesn't tell puns anymore". A lot of characters don't. Because the times have changed. Arcade wasn't conversing with buyers because (for what we know so far) he is doing it for himself. He is tired of losing and being seen as a joke. He is doing this to gain some credibility as a legitimate threat. What would be the point of mentioning what happened previously in Avengers Academy? "Oh by the way I fought those kids over there before". What does that add to the story beside give an unnecessary nod to academy readers. Again, you have 22 pages to tell a story every issue. Why would you waste space on something that insignificant. If at some point Reptil or something decides to say " I don't remember this guy being this serious" or something like that when it's his turn to take the lead, then fine but why right at the beginning?
You know, I took a communication course a little while back. There I learned that the idea isn't to convince your nay sayers to agree with you. You guys made your choice to hate this book before it even came out. The idea is to convince those sitting on the fence to agree with you or in this case, make them interested enough to keep reading. Shake your head and hate all day if it comforts you. You did not convince me to join you, sorry. I think instead I am going to pick up issue 2 and continue to see where Hopeless takes this.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
If you go into a conversation with the intention to change somebody's mind(instead of the mind-changing being a by-product of listening to your opinion), you have already failed a major part of communication.
The Take Out Bandit
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Yep, I'm not going to miss this whining horse shit.
I would read an issue or 3 (I am a big fan of the rule of 3) and make a call for yourself, honestly. Sometimes it's easy to misinterpret fan reaction because the upset voices tend to be louder than the content voices. Don't mistake that for majority.
crimsonspider89
Banned
I am not trying to convince anyone. You were the one who came in here all huff and huff about people not liking the Arena. I did not feel like the character present was Arcade. Arcade is constantly shown being about the money he makes and uses murder world to demonstrate his ability to create deathtraps to protect lairs. And not being able to demonstrate the personality of a character in what is going to be his death appearance for issue makes the death meaningless. Mettle sounded nothing like the Mettle that was described in the previous issues. Mettle had how many lines in the book? And how many did Hazmat have? Where Hazmat was shown to not be a hater but have a perfect life before her accident? And he could not even inject personality into any of his own created character's line? Which OTHER writers did with just as much lines? Really? In two lines of a new character introduction, you should understand there personality and get a grasp on who they are.
Arcade was known for his sick humor which was not shown at all in the entire amount of lines he obtained. Honestly, sounds like you are just ignoring the facts shown. And read the book again, Hopeless had it where Mettle, Reptil and Hazmat didn't recognize Arcade and vice versa. Hazmat or Mettle or Reptil should of had some kind of statement referring to the past run in which incited a little rage from Arcade since they embarrassed him. The fact you are downplaying that fact makes me scratch my head a little.
Arcade was known for his sick humor which was not shown at all in the entire amount of lines he obtained. Honestly, sounds like you are just ignoring the facts shown. And read the book again, Hopeless had it where Mettle, Reptil and Hazmat didn't recognize Arcade and vice versa. Hazmat or Mettle or Reptil should of had some kind of statement referring to the past run in which incited a little rage from Arcade since they embarrassed him. The fact you are downplaying that fact makes me scratch my head a little.
I am just stating what happened in the book. You are the one trying his hardest to persuade others.
I don't think i could give Avengers Arena a fair look, it seems too shameless to me and i'd be blinded to the quality. Maybe if they didn't wholesale it as a Hunger Games/Battle Royale thing with the variants it would be easier to check out, but as it stands it would be like watching the FF fight to the death because they didn't want to bother doing anything with them after Hickman left. *imagines a "Deadpool kills the FF" by Daniel Way, in continuity*
Yeah, I hate it when people make comments I disagree with as well - luckily I find being brusque and dismissive a great way to deal with their audacity
yes plz
Incorrect. I came here in a huff because snap judgments and premature opinions were formed on arena. These are not the same thing. Correct, Arcade is an assassin for hire. With a really bad assassination track record which he is looking to change. Who would hire someone who can't do what they are hired to do? It makes perfect sense that he would want some kills under his belt. Hazmat and Mettle had most of the lines in the book after Arcade (which might be debatable). Arcade referred to himself as the "bad ass boogieman with a volcano elevator" but you are honestly going to claim he doesn't have a sense of humor? Please.
Anachronism's one line is "I'm taking off his head". His appearance and weapon of choice (which looks to be an axe made of rock) tells me he is a berserker type who likes to shoot first and ask questions never. I have a basic feeling for the character based on his one line and his appearance which can now be built upon in the future. That wasn't hard.
There is no indication that they don't remember each other. You are making that assumption because they didn't shove it in our face. We went over this already.
In order for me to ignore any facts, you'd need to give them to be first. Instead what you are doing is repeating yourself on arguments already made.
Anachronism's one line is "I'm taking off his head". His appearance and weapon of choice (which looks to be an axe made of rock) tells me he is a berserker type who likes to shoot first and ask questions never. I have a basic feeling for the character based on his one line and his appearance which can now be built upon in the future. That wasn't hard.
There is no indication that they don't remember each other. You are making that assumption because they didn't shove it in our face. We went over this already.
In order for me to ignore any facts, you'd need to give them to be first. Instead what you are doing is repeating yourself on arguments already made.
I don't care what you like or dislike. What I want is for people to relax and experience something before they over react on something they know little to nothing about. At first, I didn't think I was asking for a lot.
Why not wait a little while then. Wait for the jerk reactions general back lash to die down a little bit. See what the story becomes instead of what people expect it to be.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Why does Magneto have a pouch in that picture and not in this one?
regardless, he reminds me of the guy from mace the dark age now:
regardless, he reminds me of the guy from mace the dark age now:
crimsonspider89
Banned
Read the book again. Please. You missed out on several lines from Hazmat/Mettle that address one of the issues since they mention one of his feats but not the one where he captures them. You want people to give a book a chance for no reason. I am giving UA a chance cause of Remender. The first issue does not inspire greatness. The panels, and interviews pointed towards the kind of book this was developing into. All of us naysayers about the book was going off of what interviews and solicits said.
Nah, lets go by unlimited optimism instead of logical deduction. I found none of Arcades lines the funny in a twisted sense at all but just blatant statements. I thought UXF, and Venom were going to be good due to how Remender described his ideas for the books in interviews. Same for Hopeless.
Dude I gave Fraction and Bendis additional chances. And love Fraction's Hawkeye but haven't read ANXM but will give it a shot.
I am one of the most objective "haters" as you say out there.
Nah, lets go by unlimited optimism instead of logical deduction. I found none of Arcades lines the funny in a twisted sense at all but just blatant statements. I thought UXF, and Venom were going to be good due to how Remender described his ideas for the books in interviews. Same for Hopeless.
Dude I gave Fraction and Bendis additional chances. And love Fraction's Hawkeye but haven't read ANXM but will give it a shot.
I am one of the most objective "haters" as you say out there.
BlueScrote
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It blew my mind.
It still doesn't top the krypto issue. That one was some All-Star level greatness.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I used to see that game all the time when I was looking through the shelves at Blockbuster renting my weekly N64 game. I always thought he looked like Lord Zed from Power Rangers
ok then, lets give this another try. Can you show me exactly where in the book you can find this? Because the only thing I found that is even remotely close to anything you are describing is
in the beginning where Hazmat tells Mettle that he makes her feel like a normal girl and not a freak. Then Mettle makes a joke about him willing to make her feel like a normal girl whenever she wants (a joke! which you claimed before he did not make. Perhaps I am not the only one who needs to reread this book).
Oh, alright you personally didn't find Arcade to be humorous. I guess that changes everything. I guess if they aren't constantly spewing punch lines and wise cracks, they must not be a humorous character.
...sigh, why do I even bother right now. Now we are literally going in circles, constantly arguing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
Angelus Errare
Banned
Man we jived so well until this post.
The philosophical problem I have with Avengers Arena is that a book in which teens murder one another is bleak as fuck, when the last fucking thing we need in mainstream teenage super-hero comics is more bleak as fuck teenage death and despair. It doesn't really matter how well it's done, the problem is that it only exists to stroke an editor's murder-boner.
The Krypto issue was probably the best single issue I read this year, of any comic.
as grim as the situation is, Hopeless does say at the end of the book in the Q and A section that in reality, while it does involve killing, he wants the book to be driven more on the drama of the situation rather than the violence. In another answer, he said that he doesn't want this book to turn into a "meat grinder" as he called it. I don't know if that is any more settling for you, but there it is.
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