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Man of Steel - Official Trailer #2

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Scullibundo said:
Hey so, I just found you
And this is crazy
Should you have saved those kids?
I dunno, maybe.

I'll be here all week ladies and germs.

Take my wife, please.
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Pft, pulled that shit off pages ago.

Mariolee said:
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Scullibundo said:
Hey so, I just found you
And this is crazy
Should you have saved those kids?
I dunno, maybe.

I'll be here all week ladies and germs.

Take my wife, please.
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I hope the Batman Maybe people make another video based on Man of Steel and hire you for the lyrics.

Mariolee said:
Pft, pulled that shit off pages ago.
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You need to do more of these. Seriously. Asshole Kent is the best thing this week.

"You think there's DNA evidence on the body?"

"Maybe"
 
Scullibundo said:
It's also a case of Jonathan being in the process of teaching Clark who he ought to be and what he has a responsibility to. If he agrees that Clark ought to have saved those lives and averted that disaster, then why not every life and every disaster? He's not just looking out for Clark's future in terms of being exposed, but in terms of trying to come to terms with whether he wants to guide Clark towards a happy life for himself or a life dedicated entirely to others.
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Perhaps he was there at the moment it happend and it just made sense to do it. Easier to save a bunch of kids from drowning when it happens right in front of you instead of saving a bunch of kids 3000 miles away.
 
duckroll said:
I really don't like the tone they're going for here. It looks bleak and grim, trying so hard to be more "realistic", but this is fucking Superman. I feel this is part of what really made Superman Returns suffer too - trying too hard to try and make sense of how Superman could fit into the world today. I don't think they need to do that. Just make a big fun colorful movie about an invincible alien who comes to Earth, grows up, and does things we cannot do, making the world a safer place.
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Fuck that, I think having an origin story where a man not understanding who he is or where he came from is a good one. It's a cliched comic book arc, but I think it works most of all with superman.
 
Scullibundo said:
It's also a case of Jonathan being in the process of teaching Clark who he ought to be and what he has a responsibility to. If he agrees that Clark ought to have saved those lives and averted that disaster, then why not every life and every disaster? He's not just looking out for Clark's future in terms of being exposed, but in terms of trying to come to terms with whether he wants to guide Clark towards a happy life for himself or a life dedicated entirely to others.
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That is less convincing to me. He was right there, it's not like he ran 300 km to go watch them drown.
 
Davidion said:
Really? There are arguments over this trailer, nevermind the "maybe" line?

You could ostensibly accuse this trailer of being too cheesy or pompous, in which case it's an opinion call, no more no less. Final product might suck like Returns? Completely reasonable concern. However, the idea that the Superman mythos should always be represented as a whiz-bang action flick or that Daddy Kent is somehow immoral for agonizing over the possibility that people may need to not be saved to protect Clark's identity is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Are people somehow not aware of the fact that Superman, beyond all of his powers and colorful comic history, is at its heart a representation of the American, and arguably the human, zeitgeist? And that it's been used as a representation of everything from the aspiration of mankind to the journey of immigrants to quintessential strength of American power/individuality? How in the world is making the film like another Avengers doing justice to what is arguably THE archetypical superhero? And how the hell do you not see the humanity in a simple farmer agonizing over the responsibility to teach and protect what is the most incredible singular source power the world has ever known, taken shape as his own son, even at the potential risk of others' lives?

Goddamn people, I swear some of you do not bother to look one inch deeper past the surface.
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Protect him from what exactly? Oh right, celebrity status. No amount of dead children will ever compare to the comfort of a quiet life in the countryside. Oh, but wait, he might get experimented on! Well, we all know how awful it would be if humans were incapable of dying from disease or sickness, and also didn't require unrenewable fuel sources to travel long distances. Not to mention, his son saved those children out of his own free will so what better way to boost his spirit than by making him doubt his own actions from day one. Father of year right here folks!
 
Davidion said:
Really? There are arguments over this trailer, nevermind the "maybe" line?

You could ostensibly accuse this trailer of being too cheesy or pompous, in which case it's an opinion call, no more no less. Final product might suck like Returns? Completely reasonable concern. However, the idea that the Superman mythos should always be represented as a whiz-bang action flick or that Daddy Kent is somehow immoral for agonizing over the possibility that people may need to not be saved to protect Clark's identity is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Are people somehow not aware of the fact that Superman, beyond all of his powers and colorful comic history, is at its heart a representation of the American, and arguably the human, zeitgeist? And that it's been used as a representation of everything from the aspiration of mankind to the journey of immigrants to quintessential strength of American power/individuality? How in the world is making the film like another Avengers doing justice to what is arguably THE archetypical superhero? And how the hell do you not see the humanity in a simple farmer agonizing over the responsibility to teach and protect what is the most incredible singular source power the world has ever known, taken shape as his own son, even at the potential risk of others' lives?

Goddamn people, I swear some of you do not bother to look one inch deeper past the surface.
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::thunderous applause::

If Snyder can convey the symbolism of the Superman character as well as you just did, then this will be an amazing film. Crossing my fingers.
 
Scullibundo said:
Missing the point. It's about whether he should be responsible for anybody in Pa Kent's eyes.
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Well you should have said that instead making it a dichotomy that didn't really work. He can quite easily rescue those kids with no moral or ethical dilemma if he doesn't rescue every person in the universe.
 
Dead Man said:
Well you should have said that instead making it a dichotomy that didn't really work. He can quite easily rescue those kids with no moral or ethical dilemma if he doesn't rescue every person in the universe.
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But it still holds true in his father seeing what his son could become. If he has the capacity to save all these people, does that mean he has a responsibility to?
 
IrrelevantNotch said:
Protect him from what exactly? Oh right, celebrity status. No amount of dead children will ever compare to the comfort of a quiet life in the countryside. Oh, but wait, he might get experimented on! Well, we all know how awful it would be if humans were incapable of dying from disease or sickness, and didn't require unrenewable fuel sources to travel long distances. Not to mention, his son saved those children out of his own free will so what better way to boost his spirit than by making him doubt his own actions from day one. Father of year right here folks!
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Did you somehow completely miss the question of whether Jonathan's fear that the world would grow to fear and hate him is unfounded being a vocalized theme through out all the trailers that's been released so far? Are you completely oblivious to the fact that you, as a consumer of the medium, has far more knowledge of a character's capabilities and depth than any of the characters in the universe you're reading about?

I suggest taking a second to actually reviewing these things called moral and ethic quandaries and stop speaking as if the death of innocents is an unrivaled moral equalizer. Hint: it's not.
 
Scullibundo said:
But it still holds true in his father seeing what his son could become. If he has the capacity to save all these people, does that mean he has a responsibility to?
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Yeah, of course, but it is an easy dilema to solve. I hope that is not the focus of any conflict in the film.
 
Dead Man said:
Well you should have said that instead making it a dichotomy that didn't really work. He can quite easily rescue those kids with no moral or ethical dilemma if he doesn't rescue every person in the universe.
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I think there would be an ethical dilemma. If all of these lives can *only* be saved by him, like the children in the bus, shouldn't he be obligated to save them? I think that's a question he would have to ask himself. He can easily rescue many lives since he has superhuman hearing, speed, and strength. More than any human .
 
PartlyCloudlike said:
I think there would be an ethical dilemma. If all of these lives can *only* be saved by him, like the children in the bus, shouldn't he be obligated to save them? I think that's a question he would have to ask himself. He can easily rescue many lives since he has superhuman hearing, speed, and strength. More than any human .
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Isn't one of the main lessons that Clark had to learn when he was first starting out was that he can't save everyone?
 
Davidion said:
Really? There are arguments over this trailer, nevermind the "maybe" line?

You could ostensibly accuse this trailer of being too cheesy or pompous, in which case it's an opinion call, no more no less. Final product might suck like Returns? Completely reasonable concern. However, the idea that the Superman mythos should always be represented as a whiz-bang action flick or that Daddy Kent is somehow immoral for agonizing over the possibility that people may need to not be saved to protect Clark's identity is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Are people somehow not aware of the fact that Superman, beyond all of his powers and colorful comic history, is at its heart a representation of the American, and arguably the human, zeitgeist? And that it's been used as a representation of everything from the aspiration of mankind to the journey of immigrants to quintessential strength of American power/individuality? How in the world is making the film like another Avengers doing justice to what is arguably THE archetypical superhero? And how the hell do you not see the humanity in a simple farmer agonizing over the responsibility to teach and protect what is the most incredible singular source power the world has ever known, taken shape as his own son, even at the potential risk of others' lives?

Goddamn people, I swear some of you do not bother to look one inch deeper past the surface.
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Holy shit bro you totally nailed what Superman is.
 
Davidion said:
Did you somehow completely miss the question of whether Jonathan's fear that the world would grow to fear and hate him is unfounded being a vocalized theme through out all the trailers that's been released so far? Are you completely oblivious to the fact that you, as a consumer of the medium, has far more knowledge of a character's capabilities and depth than any of the characters in the universe you're reading about?

I suggest taking a second to actually reviewing these things called moral and ethic quandaries and stop speaking as if the death of innocents is an unrivaled moral equalizer. Hint: it's not.
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Allowing children to drown so your pops can keep his privacy is about as morally ambiguous as wiping out a village to preserve the natural wildlife.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Isn't one of the main lessons that Clark had to learn when he was first starting out was that he can't save everyone?
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I think so. Isn't that the lesson Jonathan is trying to impart to Clark when he said "maybe". He could've been more tactful and eloquent about it, but I imagine Pa Kent is struggling with how to teach this lesson while still giving Clark the ability to choose which path to follow.
 
Superman could save a lot of people but then he would have to give up videogames and arguing on internet forums. He would also have to shave. There is a genuine moral dilemma here.
 
It's one thing to let a bus full of children die to save more lives elsewhere. It's another to let them die because he wants to keep to himself.

Besides, how are people supposed to capture and study him if he's infinitely fast and strong? They don't know about Kryptonite at this point right?
 
apana said:
Superman could save a lot of people but then he would have to give up videogames and arguing on internet forums. He would also have to shave. There is a genuine moral dilemma here.
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Perhaps.

Wait.

Maybe.

Zzoram said:
It's one thing to let a bus full of children die to save more lives elsewhere. It's another to let them die because he wants to keep to himself.

Besides, how are people supposed to capture and study him if he's infinitely fast and strong?
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NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Just watched the Comic-Con trailer. The Journey to the Line track is much, much better than the music used in this trailer (which kinda feels flat here).
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I thought Journey to the Line was a lot better than the music in the first half, but I liked the bit they chose for the second half. Felt appropriately epic and Zimmer-y without being Nolan-y.
 
duckroll said:
I really don't like the tone they're going for here. It looks bleak and grim, trying so hard to be more "realistic", but this is fucking Superman. I feel this is part of what really made Superman Returns suffer too - trying too hard to try and make sense of how Superman could fit into the world today. I don't think they need to do that. Just make a big fun colorful movie about an invincible alien who comes to Earth, grows up, and does things we cannot do, making the world a safer place.
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Maybe he does make the world a better a place :)
 
IrrelevantNotch said:
Allowing children to drown so your pops can keep his privacy is about as morally ambiguous as wiping out a village to preserve the natural wildlife.
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Privacy (As if it's akin to avoiding the Paparazzi? And of Jonathan Kent, no less?) was never the point, and it goes to show that you have no clue what's being discussed here. Try weighing the death of children against having a potential savior of the world rendered impotent. How about weighing the death of children against the chaos around the world? Turmoil on a societal scale driven by the collective fears and uncertainty over what would probably be the most alien (figuratively and literally) event that humans have ever faced?

Of all the talks in fiction/comics about the potency of power, real power, there's arguably no character that's a better avatar of its potency and all the dilemmas that comes with it than Superman. The exercising of real power in the real world, even if you're operating with a general desire to do good, by the way, translates into the witnessing of imbalance, injustice, including not if how many innocents will die, and making the decision of not how to right wrongs, but which ones you'll right and which ones you learn to let go.

There's an opportunity for this movie to make Superman into the complex character he might not have originally been intended to be, but has become in culture over the years. Maybe this movie will go that far, maybe it won't; but I'll take an earnest effort over some cheap feelgood good vs. evil schlock anyday.
 
the maybe line makes perfect sense in the context of the whole theme the movie is going for.

I don't get why IrrelevantNotch is standing on such a high moral ground.
 
Davidion said:
Privacy (As if it's akin to avoiding the Paparazzi? And of Jonathan Kent, no less?) was never the point, and it goes to show that you have no clue what's being discussed here. Try weighing the death of children against having a potential savior of the world rendered impotent. How about weighing the death of children against the chaos around the world? Turmoil on a societal scale driven by the collective fears and uncertainty over what would probably be the most alien (figuratively and literally) event that humans have ever faced?
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*Yawn* "Wow, this movie is so realistic, allow me to justify it using completely unrealistic circumstances." Can't let them figure out my bus lifting son's identity because a) he might be rendered impotent somehow (pretty confused on that one) or b) It'll cause mass turmoil... somehow. If there's anything you could compare Superman to on a societal level it would be nukes. Here's the kicker though, there's only one Super Man and he seems to enjoy saving people's lives. Maybe if he was attempting to become king of the planet I could see the dilemma, but apparently by just existing he risks setting the whole world on fire BUT ONLY if people know what his true identity is. Next.

Of all the talks in fiction/comics about the potency of power, real power, there's arguably no character that's a better avatar of its potency and all the dilemmas that comes with it than Superman. The exercising of real power in the real world, even if you're operating with a general desire to do good, by the way, translates into the witnessing of imbalance, injustice, including not if how many innocents will die, and making the decision of not how to right wrongs, but which ones you'll right and which ones you learn to let go.

There's an opportunity for this movie to make Superman into the complex character he might not have originally been intended to be, but has become in culture over the years. Maybe this movie will go that far, maybe it won't; but I'll take an earnest effort over some cheap feelgood good vs. evil schlock anyday.
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Dark lighting and sappy music equals an earnest effort. Gotcha.
 
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