In both the CT and CO shootings, the killer had a Bushmaster .223
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Obama Supports New Bid To Ban Assault Weapons, Close Gun Show 'Loophole'
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In both the CT and CO shootings, the killer had a Bushmaster .223
Bornstellar
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Blaming this latest incident on so-called assault weapons and the gun-show loophole (not that it shouldn't be closed) is naive, reactionary, and will do nothing to mitigate the problem which manifested in Connecticut.
SMH.
SMH.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Not only that but also sold without any restriction.
Mercury Fred
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Gotta start somewhere. What's your idea?
Although i still believe it's bullshit to outright ban semi-automatic rifles i already own quite a few and there aren't any out there that i want so it doesn't really effect me but i know quite a few people who are beyond pissed and they are far from "gun nuts"
I am all for better gun control but i believe are other precautions they can take then outright banning these rifles, what's going to stop people from buying pistols or shotguns? You think those aren't just as effective in close environments like a school? Going to ban shotguns next? Pistols?
I am all for better gun control but i believe are other precautions they can take then outright banning these rifles, what's going to stop people from buying pistols or shotguns? You think those aren't just as effective in close environments like a school? Going to ban shotguns next? Pistols?
BlazingDarkness
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Good decision.
RobotMafia
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You sound like a gun nut. You have no reason to own anything semi-automatic.
Bumblebeetuna
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Wow I didn't even know that loophole exists. What in the fucking fuck?
SturokBGD
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Yes because guns have so many more uses than just maiming and killing things.
ElectricBlue187
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This won't even go as far as banning semi-automatics. This is just toothless feel good legislation that might close the gun show loophole but that remains to be seen.
Bornstellar
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I'd start be bringing more attention to how we treat mental disorders as well as the culture of the anti-hero which is created by the media every time one of these incidents occurs.
plagiarize
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I haven't seen anyone blaming this incident on assault weapons or the gun-show loophole, but maybe now is a good time to put the ban back on assault weapons, and maybe now is a good time to close the gun-show loophole.
naïve? maybe. reactionary? maybe. prevent another school shooting or the number of casualties in the next shooting? very very very slim chance.
none of that makes the proposed changes a bad idea though.
Anticitizen One
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I support both propositions. It would be a good start particularly that gun show loophole.
I am not getting in an argument over what you believe i have no reason owning.
I use them for multiple things and if i was a gun nut do you think i would agree with shutting down that loophole? You think i would be all for better regulation? Get off your stool. I will say it one last time before the scared anti-gun nuts come in flocks. I don't care if you THINK i have 0 REASON to own them, you don't me, you don't know my life or what i do thus you have absolutely no right to make absurd assumptions on things you know nothing about, if you are or aren't against guns i really don't care but don't sit there and tell i have no reason to own anything semi-automatic when i use them for multiple things.
I shouldn't of even brought it up because i forgot people are nutty when it comes to anti-gun laws /shrug
Manus
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God forbid people that enjoy shooting guns at a gun range. You should try it, it's quite fun.
Mammoth Jones
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It's the straw that won't do jack shit. You really think if this dude was limited to a 10rd magazine he wouldn't have the opportunity to reload twice? It's super quick to swap out a magazine.
Then the next time some nutjob goes on a spree we'll gave people bitching that 10rd magazines is too much and we need to go back to single shot muskets.
That's the problem with bad laws. When they inevitably do NOT work politicians then slap even more bad laws in to make up for the core flaws for the first bad law.
I'm all for closing the gun show loophole. But as far as another useless assault weapons ban?
-I think national registration would make more sense.
-I think making it federal law to report a missing/stolen firearm would make more sense.
-I think either requiring a safe or giving a nice incentive to use a safe would make more sense.
In the same country that doesn't want universal healthcare, thats where you want to start...?
Socialist mental screenings are for russia. Not mericuh.
Idiots are going to always shoot people. Removing a large number of more advanced and effective weapons lessens the access to these weapons. I still can't understand why people have an issue with this logic. And no one needs these weapons besides private security.
Deified Data
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I doubt this will pass, but I'm happy to see some initiative.
I don't understand how anyone, pro or anti-gun, could support the insane gun show loophole. It defies logic.
I don't understand how anyone, pro or anti-gun, could support the insane gun show loophole. It defies logic.
GoldenEye 007
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I don't see anything wrong with semi auto. It's just one shot per trigger pull.
Mammoth Jones
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This type of sentiment is exactly the problem. Then when it inevitably doesn't work...since the overwhelming majority of shootings and gun crimes are done with handguns...people will still bitch about the "scary" semi-auto's.
Tallshortman
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Arm the teachers with rocket launchers.
Seriously though, it's the gun nuts that think firearms have nothing to do with these killings. Will it stop people from murdering others or at least attempting to? No. Will it possibly mitigate the amount of carnage the murderer can wreak? Very possibly. If only 1 less person died from those shootings because the killer didn't have an assault rifle then that's better than nothing. There is no reason you need a gun for anything but hunting and home defense.
But yeah, according to that guy apparently not doing anything at all until we can solve the entire problem at once is better than taking steps to at least mitigate the problem.
Pai Pai Master
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I'm about at the point where having fun shooting guns is pretty low on my list of priorities. There are far more important things at stake here.
Bornstellar
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Are we going to start legislating what people can and cannot buy based on what they need?
Do I need a game console? Do I need a TV? Do I need a sword with a suit of armor?
Down the rabbit hole we go.
Oh, OK.
grimshawish
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Your well reasoned argument has failed to win me over.
ElectricBlue187
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and they will still be used in mass shootings, nothing will change and Obama gets to look good signing a bill banning "assault weapons" everyone (sorta) wins
It's really the only thing that will pass, honestly. And some of the southern democrats voting for it will probably get manhandled in the next election anyway
GoldenEye 007
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People have different hobbies. Because you don't like something doesn't mean there should be a wholesale ban.
No, lets stick to the subject of weapons. As that is what we are discussing. You can't purchase certain weapons legally as it is. Its adding more weapons to that list.
You also can't buy certain types of electronics either.
Pai Pai Master
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Are fucking TVs and game consoles designed to inflict injury and death? It's not a rabbit hole. They're deadly weapons, other things are not.
I get that, and there are plenty of people who are fit to handle guns. There are plenty that are not. When given a choice between preventing irresponsible and deadly handling of guns or having fun, is the choice that difficult?
It's the #1 anti-gun argument.
You don't need it thus ban it.
Does it matter? Cars weren't designed to inflict injury or death but how many people die and get horribly injured a year in them?
Just because 1 out of a billion people went crazy and STOLE the GUNS doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't be allowed to own them.
Hehe its cute, its like you gun guys are just talking to one another and patting yourselves on the back for horrible logic.
No, lets stick to the subject of weapons. As that is what we are discussing. You can't purchase certain weapons legally as it is. Its adding more weapons to that list.
You also can't buy certain types of electronics either.
Please argue with that.
Your logic baffles me. Are you pushing for legalization of bombs?
AgentP
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My hobby is throwing grenades to blow up crap, can you unban those?
Yep. All of those need to be addressed.
Bornstellar
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Pretty much any thing can become a deadly weapon if used as such. I do believe in regulation on how certain items are purchased (via background checks, psych evals, etc.), but I don't believe anyone has any business telling me what I do or do not need if I otherwise qualify to own a specific item.
ElectricBlue187
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Ok you ban assault weapons so certain collectors can't get very specific mods for their scary looking guns but people will go en masse to gun dealers and buy them by the truckload before it becomes illegal. What problem have you just fixed there?
So you are telling me that you shouldn't need it so band it logic isn't horrible logic?
It's funny that people call me a gun nut because i am all for better regulation, fair regulation and that loophole? I have complained about it for years. Just because you don't like it or think i don't have any reason to own it doesn't mean i shouldn't be allowed to own it.
I don't even know why i am arguing about it because it's a video game forum. I'll stop my "horrible logic" and go to work and let you brilliant people go on about your amazing you dont need it so you dont get to buy it logic.
Psych evaluations will never happen because it would cost the government a fortune. You think the people buying the gun are going to pay for it? Or these gun shops? It's unnecessary, sociopaths can easily pass psych evaluations and once another tragedy happens after someone passes that evaluation and shoots up a school than what? who do we blame then? can't blame the gun shop. Blame the government? That is an atomic shit bomb waiting to explode.
So do you think C4, rocketlaunchers and other high explosives should be sold to people? Sure some crazies would abuse them and blow up people instead of deer, but why should that affect everyone?
I'd like to know how exactly they are going to close it.
A national gun registry? The current system actually deletes the record of the check and serial numbers after it approves it.
They could make it illegal to sell a gun to someone without doing a proper transfer at a FFL, but how exactly are they going to enforce that?
You can't as easily kill someone from across a street with a TV or a suit or armour. Guns not being as readily available is better for everyone.
It's not legislation based on what you need. The fact that you don't need a semi-automatic rifle is simply a reason to put less priority on one's right to own one over the danger they pose to society. How do you people not get this. Other civilized countries get along just fine without them. You can too.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah, I'll be honest. It does matter to me. A device designed to kill someone else should not be so widespread and easily available, and there should be stronger penalties in place for irresponsible use. Cars are the closest thing we can compare them to, and it's relatively easy to lose your license if you do stupid shit like drive drunk all the time.
I'm not advocating an all out ban, but there must be more we can do to limit the number of deadly weapons that end up in the hands of those unfit to handle them, and I do think that people should be okay with losing a few of their gun freedoms if it means preventing irresponsible use and saving lives.
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