twinturbo2
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They blamed video games. I'm in shock. I really hope the ESA is ready to go on every news network and say how wrong that is.
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NRA's solution to Sandy Hook massacre: "armed guards" in every school
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Pai Pai Master
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Yeah, he didn't come off as an "armed guard" though. He helped with a lot of other things around the school, though he was in uniform and was armed. We made fun of him because he rode a bike inside the school too, but he was a really nice guy.
Gotcha. This is obviously better, but I'm not entirely sure many police departments have the funding or manpower for this?
We already are.
Legalize marijuana and stop wasting policy manpower on it. Have a rotation per day for officers at the schools.
Completely the same thing
Buddha Beam
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No one is advocating for a complete ban, considering how unrealistic it is. Banning military grade weapons is reasonable, however, as is making it exceptionally difficult to obtain a gun of any kind.
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Well, shit. There goes Wayne's theory.
It seems like you are hoping otherwise. You're a gun owner I'm assuming?
CharmingCharlie
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So the NRA's "constructive" contribution to the debate is "Herp derp it's video games to blame" and "hey I got an idea lets stick a heavily armed police officer in EVERY school in America".
I have to confess I don't even know how to respond to that kind of idiocy. The mere thought of having heavily armed police officers in children's schools is so utterly repugnant to me. If you have reached a point where you the best you can suggest is putting heavily armed police officers into school then you have completely and totally lost the plot.
I dunno maybe it's because I am British and I baulk at the idea of day to day officers carrying guns, the thought of armed police in schools actually makes me physically sick.
I have to confess I don't even know how to respond to that kind of idiocy. The mere thought of having heavily armed police officers in children's schools is so utterly repugnant to me. If you have reached a point where you the best you can suggest is putting heavily armed police officers into school then you have completely and totally lost the plot.
I dunno maybe it's because I am British and I baulk at the idea of day to day officers carrying guns, the thought of armed police in schools actually makes me physically sick.
Gemüsepizza
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A bank = a single, public room, one entrance, several guards who can secure each other, target in a safe.
A school = a very big compound with dozens of rooms and multiple ways of entry, targets everywhere.
They aren't even remotely comparable. A security guard can not protect students.
meltingparappa
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Even ignoring the guns right issues, just the enormous cost it would take to employ that many guards due to so isolated and rare a problem is ridiculous. Not any more ridiculous than the rise in employment within the TSA, but still!
You ever tried to blast a bunny with a rifle? Unless you got some mad quick-scope skills you're not going to hit shit. It's pretty much a given that most folks will need something that's fully automatic or has burst fire. And the extended clips are necessary so I can avoid re-loading when hunting.
HerbertFish
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Uh, police/security are in thousands and thousands of schools across the country already. This isn't new.
Deified Data
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If only Adam Lanza's mother were a gun owner none of this ever would have happened.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Somewhere north of 125,000 schools
That'll be around $7.5 billion a year for minimal full-time protection I guess.
Solution: double the amount of guards in circulation. Guards that guard the guards.
On a more serious note, I do not personally care about the hobby uses for guns. As soon as you get something like that, you have the intent to end someone's (be that another person or an animal) life. And the country have a few hundred millions of them. So what intent does that carry?
Hari Seldon
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Gemüsepizza;45649895 said:
We have had armed guards and police officers in schools in the US for almost 20 years now. Where is your data that a security guard does not protect students?
CharmingCharlie
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Then there is something wrong with your society and perhaps you should be looking into fixing it rather than pulling crap like this. In a civilised society there should be no need for you to have armed security/police patrolling your schools.
Yea, a single armed officer isn't going to be able to stop a mass shooting all by himself in a big school. They might help, but this is not a SOLUTION. This might be an extra precaution, one they need to look at seriously considering the potential costs, but it is no way a fix to the problem.
Make it a long, arduous process to obtain any weapon rather than just a simple background check. Give a person a huge fucking stack of paperwork. Mandate that the owner must also purchase a secure containment or safe for their weapon if they have children in their household. Mandatory safety/responsible ownership course. Getting a gun should not be nearly as easy as getting a fishing license.
Gemüsepizza
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What will there be left after you unloaded your fully-automatic gun at a bunny? I assume it would be torn to shreds...
They maybe will protect students against drugs at school, when there are brawls, ... but not when there is an unidentified killer who wants to die and can easily target them first.
$7.5 billion a year so we can continue our tradition of gun-culture. Nice.
Gemüsepizza;45649895 said:
It's not like security guards roam the hallways looking for shooters. They sit in their office and watch security cameras. Having a guard on campus that can respond immediately is a lot better than waiting for the police to show up. How long did Lanza have free range before the first responders arrived?
HerbertFish
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Or we should look at how to prevent it from happening rather than worrying about looking uncivilized. Yeah, ill go with that.
Messypandas
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You shouldn't be shitting on the sanctity that is a childs learning temple with tools that were designed for human destruction. Its not right. I would have been terrified to go to school in my country if they were armed guards at the door. This is not the way forward.
Buddha Beam
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A mandatory mental health check every few years is a reasonable idea, too. If someone wants to own a device solely intended for killing things, the rest of us have every reason to know why and be assured that their mental health is well maintained.
Shit, we do this with drivers licenses in many states. If you can't pass the vision test when you renew your license, they don't give it to you until you get your eyes examined.
phisheep
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dave is ok
aztek is ok
NRA's solution: No more soft targets anywhere. Let's put guns in nursing homes, schools, malls, office buildings, playgrounds, EVERYWHERE.
Messypandas
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we need a gun INSIDE a gun
I think its more to do with the fact that schools represents the bane of many of these childrens lives and they find a rampage/suicide as some sort of retribution for the torment they've endured. An armed guard is going to JACK and SHIT to stop people like that.
HerbertFish
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Most of those places already have security. Well playgrounds, no, but the rest.
So the solution to having 26 kids killed is have someone watching cameras, see someone shooting kids, rush to the area where some are dead already and start a shoot out.
Any solution that involves waiting for death to begin and then react isn't acceptable. And how does this address shootings like in Oregon at a mall? Every mall I've been to has security so obviously we should expect different results then what we currently have?
I just wish sane people with the actual power to make changes could do their jobs and have a real discussion on these issues.
Welcome to (our) government.
TangoAlphaLima
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I don't think the NRA's suggestion is all that ridiculous in conjunction with increased gun control laws. The country isn't going to allow guns to be taken away completely, and let's face it, you don't need an assault rifle to do a lot of damage in a school. We need a cop at every school. The cost will be high, but it's necessary. It's not a foolproof solution, but it's better than what we've got currently.
teruterubozu
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That's like 90% of the world.
You do know that figuring out the underlying reasons in the society that trigger these events can potentially prevent this stuff from happening in a long run? It's not just about "worrying about looking uncivilized".
dave is ok
aztek is ok
The point is, if someone wants to find unarmed people to massacre: They will.
Quit posting Columbine stuff. It was during the assault weapon ban and their weapon cache was illegally massed. It wasn't like they went to their Dad's closet and loaded up.
Did you even read the report? The guard was helping injured kids and providing cover with his car. Lots of kids were hurt/killed but I'm willing to bet his actions saved a few lives. If even one less person is killed due to actions of a guard then they are well worth it.
Well, you could argue the guard kept one of the gunmen busy in their shooting exchange. Who knows how many more students Harris could have shot and killed.
We clearly need to ban congregation; it's too risky.
Onion_Relish
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By the time I wad quoting you stealth edited. Darn...
CharlieDigital
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Mammoth Jones
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I hear ya. There have been numerous people in numerous threads claiming they be happy with an outright ban and constantly trying to make the dialogue not about sensible legislation but utilizing an "assault weapons ban" as one small step towards the overall goal of banning all guns.
Plus a few articles I've read in mainstream news questioning the 2nd Amendment.
Also, "assault" weapons are already banned for the average joe and extremely expensive in the rare case someone can pass the extensive checks to get one. Considering pistols are the main source of illegal gun violence in the nation we seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time focusing on the "scary" guns as opposed the real situation.
Sometimes I forget about all the international people and those, like myself, that would lambast such a comment for being too general.
I'm interested in hearing how much money that it would actually take to assign a School Resource Officer to every building. The only reason that I ask is that we had one full-time in a building that I used to work in, and that area was not exactly rolling in money... you would have though that he would have been the first to go budget-wise long ago. Don't know how all of that SRO funding works exactly, but he fit into school culture well, and he was good at what he did... I wouldn't be opposed to more like him.
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