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NRA's solution to Sandy Hook massacre: "armed guards" in every school
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The Autumn Wind
Why not strive for both? Unlike what the NRA wants you to think, it doesn't have to be either or.
speculawyer
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Don't be silly. That is immigration policy.
ultrazilla
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All the politicians can give up their guns as well as their armed security
details/bodyguards then I'll do the same.
details/bodyguards then I'll do the same.
So, you'll disarm when the secret service is disarmed? Why? What's the relationship between threats the President of the USA and you?
Angelus Errare
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That's because the republican party is hypocritical, racist, homophobic nutjobs.
The funny thing is this is what republicans/pro-gun adovcates have recently been saying. But at the same time from the 90s onward they're the party that's be adamantally against any sort of real healthcare reform.
Now that their precious guns come under scrutiny they're suddenly worried about affordable and adequate healthcare for the mentally ill. But crown Ronald Reagan as Godtier president when he's the one that utterly dismantled and gutted our mental heathcare system in the US.
I honestly don't understand how this party has any real semblance of power in the US.
Only in America indeed.
But I'm not anti gun. I am anti shit public saftety nightmare gun safety and regulation. Which is what the NRA is pro.
CharlieDigital
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Yeah, there is a big difference between anti-gun and anti-stupid.
I enjoy a day at the range as much as anyone, but the nuttery around ownership and what should be common sense legislation is ridiculous.
Me and the wife:
(Yeah, she shoots left handed)
That should be banned.
stevematic
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Us lefties are people too, ya know.
CharlieDigital
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MorisUkunRasik
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uhh, I'm sure you're mentally sound and well adjusted but saner folks than you have made a rash impulsive decision to end it. If thats to happen you're looking at a 10% chance of survival versus 93% when it comes to methods of suicide.
Also, they're called accidents for a reason. Even the most skilled and careful can make a mistake, many gun related injuries occur during loading/unloading/cleaning or other routine things.
Exactly. Multifaced problems require multifaced answers.
soul creator
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Poindexter
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Sweeping generalizations. yay!
GungHo
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I'm actually okay with surcharging firearms, ammunition, and "gun paraphernalia" to fund public security, public education, and a better NICS system. The only issue I really have with the idea is more along the lines of pricing self-defense out of the hands of the poor, but I'm getting beyond that concern out of a lesser of evils. I'm also keen on levying large import/export tariffs on arms in general (and, yeah, that means for the government too), but I worry that would incentivize even greater smuggling than we see today.
No, schmucks who abuse them are the problem in this country. The problem is keeping them out of the hands of schmucks who schmuck up. Unfortunately, fire control systems aren't tied to a blood pressure machine or brain wave scanners. There isn't a process for intercession there. So, what are we going to do about it? I'm a gun owner, too, but I agree that it's not okay that some jackass has the power to take his mom's legally acquired guns (or previously-legally acquired guns) to a school or movie theater to end the dreams of a entire town. So, how will you compromise?
A police state won't work. Additionally, everyone's not going to be willing to carry guns around, and having them open fire in a crowded school or theater both isn't a good idea nor does it really save the first magazine or two of people who just got shot (which before/after the Assault Weapons Ban all the people foolishly want back could be 30-60 people and with AWB would have been 20... or 30-60 if they just bought some preban mags for $80). I also don't think it's much of a deterrent to people who are going to off themselves at the end of their massacre anyway.
The "well-regulated" statement in the Second Amendment is used in the context of training. So, maybe we should take it to heart and change the "untrained" part. Nationally. Use the gun surcharge mentioned above. Make people get a certificate to qualify to buy. It borders on an infringement, so maybe make it a non-fail video course on how not to be a dumbass with a gun.
That's essentially a pistol. It's based on a submachine gun, but it's not automatic. It was designed during the previous Assault Weapons Ban and passed all of that ban's requirements. So, if you renewed that ban, word for word, he could still buy those. Note: This is why I keep saying the Assault Weapons Ban was stupid and keep saying it's foolish to ask for it to come back word for word.
soul creator
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A political party is by definition a "generalization". That's kind of the point of them.
As usual the NRA makes a mockery of a tragedy and the media and public bites into the latest bullshit they've proposed and people legitmately debate it. The idea of having armed guards in every school is so absurd. Just watch those old videos of guards at college campuses using excessive force and pepper spray to apprehend students taking part in civil disobedience at a protest, or just some kid in the middle of an argument. Now how can parents feel safe with those nutjobs walking around armed with firepower? Btw, how pratical is it to have a system in place to train these guys and for it to run effectively without putting total nutjobs in those schools? Cost and all? Aren't conservatives usually the ones looking to cut school funding?
Anyway, like I said this is all a distraction. The usual carousel of stupid. A tragedy happens. The usual scapegoats reappear... Games, music, movies, TV, etc... The NRA makes a stupid proposal to fix the problem. Ted Nugent is interviewed. The right comes out and suggest it's too early to begin debating policy since the tragedy is fresh on people mind. This all happens and then nothing is achieved because its distracts people before the next big news story comes around. Disgusting.
Anyway, like I said this is all a distraction. The usual carousel of stupid. A tragedy happens. The usual scapegoats reappear... Games, music, movies, TV, etc... The NRA makes a stupid proposal to fix the problem. Ted Nugent is interviewed. The right comes out and suggest it's too early to begin debating policy since the tragedy is fresh on people mind. This all happens and then nothing is achieved because its distracts people before the next big news story comes around. Disgusting.
Angelus Errare
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Only part that was a generalization was my comment about the republican party being racist homophobes. But even that's not far from the truth judging by all the dog whistle and hate that went on this election by republican senators and the people who hang at their every word. The fact they still continue to cling to the Southern Strategy speaks volumes. Just because you're abstract in your painting of people and using dog whistles doesn't change shit. Besides that's basically what a political party is, a generalization of the people's want and desires who subscribe to the same view. Duh
The second passage is complete truth. It has been the republican party that's been adamantly against healthcare reform in the US. But now everyone is for it because people want more restrictions on guns. It WAS Reagan who dismantled our mental healthcare system. It's utterly ridiculous how individualistic they are until people voice a policy/concern that affects them directly, then they suddenly become socialistic and want to make sure everyone has adequate and affordable care.
Give.me.a.break.
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As am I, I've gone hunting once and liked it and would like to visit a range too, but the facts show us that gun ownership comes at the cost of lives and simply isn't worth it. The safety and regulation should be addressed as fast as possible and then maybe see if more restricted ownership is still a way forward.
Exactly.
Whenever generalization is brought out during an argument, its because the person wants to define the rare exception as the rule. While almost feigning being insulted at the generalization! Its such nonsense... "OH so your're saying.. blah blah something else horrible metaphor blah blah." No. Its being said that the GOP had to pander to a certain crowd, and that certain crowd was a bigoted, conservative, and sexist, chunk of the population. If you want to compare it, compare it to the other party.
Sorry, Its not a generalization to say the GOP targeted bigots, and the party is made up of a large amount. The party has some issue with rape & women as well, thats not a generalization. Generally, the GOP has a shared view. That shared view, that trend, is bigotry and sexism.
ClassyPenguin
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Ever seen a school in Los Angeles? That's what they are.
Also, the mental illness aspect is a scapegoat. A nice excuse to blame the "crazies" when it goes beyond that.
PjotrStroganov
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I don't shoot firearms but I would have the same problem. Right handed, left eye dominant. I guess I would have to learn to use my right eye when going to the range.
There's the party organization on the national and state levels, individual party members, and individual party supporters. For example, it's not out of line to say the GOP is anti-net neutrality or hardline anti-abortion when it's in their national platform, even if many who consider themselves Republicans disagree with their own party on these matters. However, saying that the same applies to Republicans isn't quite the same thing.
If certain Republicans feel offended by how their party is being viewed these days, then they need to stop letting such actors run their party or at least speak out against it.
Arrowgigantic
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Camp Casey, Korea. 1981. At a rifle range, where literally an entire platoon of people are walking around with loaded M-16s, one man kills four people and takes a hostage without being stopped by "a good guy with a gun". The standoff ends only when the guy passes out. Great headline for the "more mental health screening" crowd, too.
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