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Gun enthusiasts pack shows to buy assault weapons they fear will soon be outlawed
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I don't. I want to though. They're too fucking expensive though...
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Why not make all weapons more difficult to obtain? Why not make it that you have to pass some psych evaluation first, and go through training and pass some test? If you're a responsible person you won't have problem passing any of that. If you're mentally unstable or have shaky hands or too clumsy, bad luck then. Or at the very last have some in-depth background check required. As it is, if someone goes slightly crazy, they can buy a gun as easily as someone who only ever intends to use it for defense.
Fisticuffs
Member
What a cop out. Your opinion is moot. You can't even defend it.
And if you succeed, and the feds subsequently show up to enforce a confiscatory ban?
The point is, it's our right to own guns. If the government wants to take away that right I'm not going to feel any pity when people defend their rights.
If you need to protect your home, buy a shotgun. There is no equal. Jesus!
This AR-15 shit is nonsense. I think they are cool, just like the next guy, but we need to stop the madness.
I have many friends that own them, and I don't lose sleep over it, (because they are trained and capable). But until we can prevent the loons from acquiring them, we need to do something. Don't we??
This AR-15 shit is nonsense. I think they are cool, just like the next guy, but we need to stop the madness.
I have many friends that own them, and I don't lose sleep over it, (because they are trained and capable). But until we can prevent the loons from acquiring them, we need to do something. Don't we??
How can they defend something that's already been taken away?
And you'd feel no pity for police officers and federal agents being murdered for doing their job?
Who granted you that right in the first place?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Who says?
way more
Member
The US is going to invade, the US?
What bizarre fantasy is this that you get to be a rebel fighter for Sweet Lady America? I if you want to own guns let's not pretend that it's because it's to make you the last free man in the US. You just want to shoot things, let's not invent dystopian fan-fiction to justify it.
Fisticuffs
Member
You mean pity for the person who is doing their job to enforce the laws of this country? That guy or gal obviously had it coming, right? Would you express that after the fact?
Link
The Autumn Wind
Again, I said it's ridiculous to use it to object to any regulations whatsoever.
metalslimer
Member
And this is why gun freaks are scary people/
I already pointed out (which you ignored) that the constitution does not give you wholesale access to any firearm you want. There are already restrictions.
Gemüsepizza
Member
I am sure this will be pretty funny to watch when some wannabe militia guys will be taken down hard by a perfectly trained special unit of the police.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Gemüsepizza;45691248 said:
Keyword. Doubly so considering the hundred million gun owners that handle their firearms responsibly. I fired 100 rounds of ammo today. I was surrounded by adults with semi-automatic weapons, bolt actions, handguns and somehow not one of us went on a rampage. They obeyed the law and so did I and I see nothing wrong with that.
Gemüsepizza;45691248 said:
This is where I disagree. The core reason is the maniacs out there. We need better laws that actually deal with the problem. If you believe the problem is guns then banning "scary" guns makes perfect sense. If you believe that criminals/people with serious mental problems are the problem you want to craft better laws that keeps guns out of their hands while allowing guns in the hands of the rest of the People. Typically to defend against the criminals/people with serious mental problems that don't give a fuck about rules written on paper. And that's the crux of it for me. Criminals don't follow the rules. That's pretty much their defining characteristic.
Gemüsepizza;45691248 said:
So if someone disagrees with the State they should be arrested, democracy be damned? I'm not following you here...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Because it has defined what it can't do, and implemented mechanisms of popular control to constrain itself. If your weapons are being taken away, you have a right to vote. Not to kill.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
What if a constitutional amendment was signed into law that overruled the Second?
GoldenEye 007
Member
I guess the Constitution and Supreme Court.CHEEZMO;45691443 said:
Any wholesale ban will take an amendment. How likely do you think it is the 2nd and in general any amendment from the Bill of Rights gets repealed?
metalslimer
Member
If it was all guns yes. Fortunately, all guns are not being banned and I don't think anyone has ever brought that up. As long as people still have the right to purchase a firearm the precious 2nd amendment won't be violated.
BattleMonkey
Member
Many of the people rushing to buy the guns are new gun owners. Many districts are seeing tons of new permit applications since lot of folks fear it will be their last chance to get one. Ammo of course is an issue with those who already have guns, as places are being cleared out and last buying scare had prices soar. Going to the range become highly expensive hobby and now things are looking worse.
Holy shit I don't even know where to begin. There are already bans on certain types of guns, that is constitutional. A future Supreme Court decision could change the official interpretation of the constitution. Any ban that is upheld by the courts would be constitutional. You are not the one who gets to decide what is treason.
Please answer us. If you succeed in getting an assault weapon and the feds show up to enforce a confiscatory ban that has been upheld by the courts and declared constitutional, what would you do?
Devolution
Member
Rights get limited all of the time but when it comes to the second amendment the gun lobby has successfully killed regulations or limitations on purchases. I forgot which state it was wanted to limit guns to one purchase per month, NRA killed that shit, of course. Ridiculous fuckin' nonsense.
metalslimer
Member
You know exactly what would happen, and it scares the shit out of me that his opinion is probably on the softer side of gun culture.
Holy shit....this is seriously one of the worst things I've ever read here. I bet you thought freeing the slaves was tyranny taking away the property of those poor slave owners.
Kite
Member
This has always confused me, "well-regulated militia" would mean Reserve and National Guardsmen can have guns right? (and maybe police?) How does translate to all civilians?
Sorry, that's not how it works. The amendment has two parts, the law (right to bear arms will not be infringed) and its justification (well-regulated militia).
The amendment says the right of the people to bear arms cannot be infringed, because a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state.
It doesn't say that as long as the militia is necessary, the people can bear arms, and once it's not necessary, they can't. The fact that you don't believe the justification has no impact on the law part.
Even if it did, the militia as currently defined by US law includes all males from the ages of 17 to 45 anyway, so even if the Supreme Court (illegally) decided that the law part of the amendment was invalid because the justification was no longer important, those people would still be able to own weapons.
Yet. Don't act like there isn't an abundance of legal literature making that argument.
I'm glad that he's getting a chance to illustrate exactly why we need a gun ban to keep weapons out of hands like his.
Fisticuffs
Member
Do you think that the 2nd amendment was written by gods? Why does it have so much power to you?
How is amending the constitution tyranny?
Because it's one of my basic rights. If it goes away, everything else is open game too.
metalslimer
Member
Oh please not the slippery slope fallacy to top off your already horrible argument. Do you seriously consider gun ownership to be up there with freedom of speech (which is also limited and you keep ignoring me saying that)
Mammoth Jones
Member
I'm not inventing nothing. I personally own guns for self defense and for recreation. I love America and view voting as the primary ability to change things.
With that said, enough with the insinuation that I'm trying to mold some fantasy. I've said in other threads since this gun debate started that I'm not really comfortable talking about "Revolt" since that's NO WHERE NEAR happening. Period.
I'm simply pointing out that's WHY the Second Amendment exists. Not for hunting. Not for target shooting. Not for plinking. But for defense of home and country. You don't have to like it, but that's why it's there. It's a core part of the Right of Revolution. But I suppose it's easy to ignore that since it happened so long ago and we have the internet and stuff.
I know...muskets then. Tanks and nukes now.
Depends what's being amended and why.
Would it be tyranny if the first amendment got scrapped? Yes.
Would it be tyranny if we increased rights for minorities that aren't currently be recognized? No.
It all depends on how you currently view the Second Amendment specifically.
So what would you do? Tell us. Be specific.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
As someone brought up earlier, law was allowing slavery at some point as well, but that doesn't mean it wasn't fundamentally wrong, and worth fighting against. Nowadays all but the worst primitives would agree that it was always wrong.
Now OK, constitution says you can own guns - fine - you can own guns in most countries, but everywhere in civilized world it's more regulated and restricted than in US. You could still own guns but just not have as easy access to buy them. Even in US, more destructive types of guns are regulated, and I don't see what would be so terrible about regulating all other kinds more than they are now.
If it goes away, it's because We the People would have elected enough politicians to pass an amendment doing so. You'd be at odds with your fellow voters.
And we're still waiting for answer. This'll be fun.
It's only one of your basic rights because it's in the Constitution. If it gets taken out... I'm sorry, how are you not getting this?
I can't when I don't really know what I would do.
Fisticuffs
Member
ah the slippery slope argument. Here we go. "oh no they legalized gay marriage! what next? marrying your dog?"
way more
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In your mind a lack of guns is what causes abuse of power?
BattleMonkey
Member
Anyone who thinks the government would entertain the idea of a ban that involves taking away the guns from people, are just crazy. The difficulty of ever getting such a thing passed.... the sheer work and cost involved in somehow sending out agents to collect the millions of arms out there in the hands of these folks... not going to happen. And the danger involved for all these officers. There will be blood spilled, billions spent on such a thing, and lot of Americans probably getting locked up over it. It will also kill thousands of jobs that the gun manufacturers provide. None of this will happen though.
Any ban that will happen will be same half assed ban that we had back in 94, and it's the same one Obama is pushing to get reinstated. They are not going to take our guns away.
Any ban that will happen will be same half assed ban that we had back in 94, and it's the same one Obama is pushing to get reinstated. They are not going to take our guns away.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Democracy is all well and good as long as it doesnt try take my toys away. BRB got some government officials to murder.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I'm laughing, between Rambo here and the youngster a few threads over hatin' on Chevy Chase..
Fisticuffs
Member
I think everyone knows this. It's just fun calling people out on their stupidity.
Free speech is in the constitution as one of your basic rights, yet it's currently limited by libel, slander, and obscenity laws. Do you think that's tyranny? How would imposing more restrictions on your right to bear arms suddenly cross over into SUPER PLATINUM DELUXE MEGA-TYRANNY?
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