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divisionbyzorro
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The Technomancer
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Shiny.
Well that's...weird. At first blush he's not too impressive except in a "I want to find a way to break this" way. But I have a feeling I'm underestimating him because I don't find the idea of a giant indestructible-vanilla beater that powerful, same reason OG Ajani's ultimate never impressed me.
divisionbyzorro
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My first impression is that he's actively terrible and your four mana is better spent in many other places. But I'm going to sit and think about it for a while before giving a real opinion.
Also, what's with the trend of Planeswalkers that do nothing on their +1 except advance to their ultimate? First Vraska, now this?
I'm with you on the "I don't think he's as good as he looks" train.
divisionbyzorro
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Dat Guildmage!
The Technomancer
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This on the other hand...what?
narcosis219
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Love the art on the new Gideon.
Don't think he's very good, but I'll probably try to run him if I pull one anyway.
[EDIT] Looks like you guys missed the arcana spoilers:
That sounds like a LOT of mill
People love milling, he's a fun beater in a mill deck.
I love milling, even though it's generally awful
I guess in the right match up he gets his counters really quickly. Come right out the gate and say your opponent has 3 creatures, you have an 8/8 creature ready for next turn. I would play him in limited. I know a lot of jideon fanboys that are going to be pissed though.
Consuming Aberration is EDH and Type 4 loveliness.
Consuming Aberration and Lazav seem like good friends.
Consuming Aberration is EDH and Type 4 loveliness.
Consuming Aberration and Lazav seem like good friends.
The Technomancer
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Yeah, he looks good, but my friend with the mill deck probably isn't going to run him because he has more efficient ways to mill and he never ever attacks or worries about being attacked.
Another crazy Limited card though.
He seems sideboard bound.
The Technomancer
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Wait...the Abberation is the Dimir pre-release promo? Shit, I know what guild is going to be popular in THG
Well by turn 5 or 6 when they'd be casting that thing a reasonable mill deck should have milled at least half their library so the thing is like a 20/20. I think the mill aspect is secondary to the loltastic giant smashy smashy aspect.
divisionbyzorro
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I doubt we expected this to be playable, and it's not.
The Technomancer
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Well it looks like the Simic get the best promo card in general terms. I'm happy.
Uh. Yes.
Fucking Cackling Counterpart just gets BETTER AND BETTER.
Fun fun fun card. Love Simic.
FieryBalrog
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New Gideon is worse than a Craw Wurm. (not literally, but he's actually pretty close, which is hilariously awful. also, he's the most boring PW design in the game. He's functionally a vanilla creature who doesn't die to Wrath of God or Terror, though he still dies to Dreadbore, Selesnya Charm, Detention Sphere, or your opponent's creatures, and gets laughed at by Azorius Charm).
What's surprising is they made the flagship PW of the set so completely horrible. Him and that angel are on all the promo material, like Jace & Niv Mizzet were last time. Then again, Jace is blue and Gideon isn't, so...
In that situation, keep in mind it's an 8/8 that can't block, can be turned into a Grizzly Bear if not just killed by those 3 creatures, and can be chumped by a 1/1 token.
He's actually better in an aggro deck against creature light decks - his +1 won't give him a lot of counters, but at least he'll be a vanilla 5/5 for 4 who doesn't die to Supreme Verdict. Still mediocre and there are probably better things to be doing.
What's surprising is they made the flagship PW of the set so completely horrible. Him and that angel are on all the promo material, like Jace & Niv Mizzet were last time. Then again, Jace is blue and Gideon isn't, so...
In that situation, keep in mind it's an 8/8 that can't block, can be turned into a Grizzly Bear if not just killed by those 3 creatures, and can be chumped by a 1/1 token.
He's actually better in an aggro deck against creature light decks - his +1 won't give him a lot of counters, but at least he'll be a vanilla 5/5 for 4 who doesn't die to Supreme Verdict. Still mediocre and there are probably better things to be doing.
Goddamn that's good. It's like Blaze combined with Hull Breach, I love it.
That looks like loads of fun. Really cool. Shame it's a prerelease foil though, it's going to be everywhere that day now.
Gideon's artwork is amazingly sexy (as usual, Gideon my waifu <3) but he's kinda... un-impactful? Indestructible chumpable beater that takes turns to grow sure but with shit like Garruk Relentless you can at least get a beast or kill a weak critter before he kicks the bucket.
Keru_Shiri
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I like the new Gideon. I don't want tournament staples at Mythic Rare because it makes them a bitch to afford. This Gideon is a reasonable, fun aggro beater but will get shat on because he wasn't a control deck savior like his original version.
My only disappointment is that he follows the same borrowing good/better/best abilities formula that just about every other PW has followed. OG Gideon and Sarkhan the Mad were so cool, imo, because they expanded on the design space of PWs and showed some potential that we've seen little of since then (though Karn and Garruk Relentless came close).
My only disappointment is that he follows the same borrowing good/better/best abilities formula that just about every other PW has followed. OG Gideon and Sarkhan the Mad were so cool, imo, because they expanded on the design space of PWs and showed some potential that we've seen little of since then (though Karn and Garruk Relentless came close).
Non-impactful is the best word to describe him. Lets say you play him onto a board against 2 2 power creatures. He comes down and activates up to 7 loyalty. Then your opponent attacks him down to 3 loyalty, and all of a sudden, your indestructible 3/3 doesn't look all that impressive.
narcosis219
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That's why I think he plays a finisher role against control in an aggro deck. Sure, he only gets 1 counter off his +1, but he's an indestructible beater that is hard to remove... Except for selesnya charm, tragic slip, Azorius charm, any bouncer...
Not that I'd play him
I keep trying to think of how he can be awesome. If gideon's second ability also said something like "all creatures able to block gideon must do so" I could kind of see the potential there. but it doesn't...meh. Maybe if there was a way to get him to 15+ counters in one turn.
The Technomancer
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Right, I mean like...he'd be good against my Saproling deck if I had 70 tokens out...
narcosis219
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To be fair, if you made 70 saproling tokens in a turn, gideon STILL needs 2 turns to pop his ultimate off, so gideon still loses vs. 70 saprolings LOL
GregLombardi
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My god I love love love this card.
One would assume you have blockers to keep him from taking damage.
I still feel his biggest potential comes from being able to avoid board wipes. You play and pump him straight away. Block and damage that comes his way until your next turn, then play a Supreme Verdict (or other wipe) and creaturize him. He'll likely be a 5/5 or more up against an empty board.
He's definitely not competitive, but I don't think he's quite as useless as people seem to think.
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The Technomancer
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Goddamn that angel. Now that is what I'm talking about
The angel is EDH and limited fodder.
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platypotamus
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I pretty much don't do constructed. I just draft. This set looks like it's going to be fun as hell to draft.
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I'm very happy with how the Simic look right now, they seem like they're going to be potent in all formats, which is great for my favorite guild.
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