Messypandas
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As far as i'm aware the shooting was done and the film was originally for release summer 2012. Then they delayed it a year and shot new stuff, presumably in response to Avengers mega success
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As far as i'm aware the shooting was done and the film was originally for release summer 2012. Then they delayed it a year and shot new stuff, presumably in response to Avengers mega success
GL was made by a man who has made 3 movies better than anything Snyder has ever done though, and it still stunk. That's why the hype for this is baffling to me. I've learned my lesson.
Man of Steel, fortunately, had some pretty stellar people behind the story and script. It also didn't go over schedule and has been given an extra six months to polish itself up in post, which is something to take into account. Extra post time won't make a script better or anything, but it means there's less chance for shoddy editing, CGI, and the like.
Bobby Roberts
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I'd heard they pushed the release back before filming was finished (it was originally supposed to be released this Christmas, wasn't it?)
So far as Kal's point: the last time I can remember a blockbuster movie was pretty much finished and then got an extra 6 months of post, it was Star Trek.
Although I guess GI Joe: Retaliation also counts, too. We'll see how that worked
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Both can't act for shit and Routh looked much better as the Reeve version of dorky Clark. That's about it.
Better writers, cast, crew, and trailers build hype. There's no mystery there.
Green Lantern had awful trailers whereas Man of Steel has the polar opposite.
MisterHero
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Bobby Roberts
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Exactly. It's not like Martin Campbell is a gold standard or something. He's more like a modern day Richard Donner: A really, really good journeyman director who can take really good material and make a very entertaining film out of it.
The script to Green Lantern was stupid, as was the choice to try and make Hal Jordan the Green Lantern we're all supposed to identify with, when he's the Green Lantern who is probably the biggest leather cheerio in the Corps.
Millions upon millions of kids grow up with John Stewart on their television, and WB chooses to put Ryan Reynolds in a striated CGI muscle suit and make him do one of the dumber dances in superhero movie history.
Messypandas
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I want a scene of Supes giving him the krypto-ring to Regina Spektor
Yes..., but up to a point. You can't simply chop and change VFX sequences on the fly with a rewrite on the set. It's not as easy as that.
I'm still not sold on that rumour. A 'JoGoL Batman' just doesn't sit right with me and how Nolan operates.
With Nolan weilding such power on the WB lot (and producing MOS no less) this would have to be something that he would want and frankly I don't see it.
Despite all the Justice League chatter I think that MOS might be it's own separate 'movie universe' to Nolan's Batman films and this potential/inevitable JL film.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
I just trust in the fact they really can't afford to fuck this movie up. Too much is at stake with the character and now future DC movies.
I just think this looks a shit ton better than Returns from what little we have seen. Campbell should have never taken on a job for a character he knew jack shit about honestly... though I was happy they chose him at the time, he just ended up not being the right guy clearly. I blame DC/WB's for that.
Writing-wise, I'd argue that the Nolan bros haven't had their name on anything worth mentioning since The Dark Knight. Their last two scripts (Inception, TDKR) were absolutely riddled with paper-thin characterization, plot holes, cliches, you name it. People rag on the Orci/Kurtzman's, the Purvis/Wade's, and the Elliot/Rossio's of the writing industry, but the truth is those last two Nolan scripts aren't that far ahead in quality.
Cast-wise, I'll give you that one.
Crew? Who is worth writing home about that is directing/editing/shooting/scoring MoS? I'd argue no one.
Finally, trailer-wise, I do recall that the extended GL trailer actually go pretty favorable reaction here. The theatrical trailer was trash though.
Should we avoid Green Lantern reviews? I'm tempted to post my two cents but I don't want to derail any further. The base issue with Green Lantern was to many cooks and an over written script. WB had no faith in the movie.
Bobby Roberts
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There's no real argument that the Green Lantern teasers and trailers were laughed at across the globe. The first glimpse of the CG suit, which I actually liked, had most people rolling eyes and writing that movie off. Man of Steel has vastly superior trailers.
We're talking buzz here, and people see names like Goyer & Nolan and immediately think of a few exceptionally well-loved movies. Inception. The Dark Knight & Rises. The Prestige. That's where hype comes from.
Just read it over. To the point and agreeable.
I didn't hate GL like GAF did. I just found it completely mediocre and it committed the cardinal sin of being simply boring and unmemorable. Much like I felt about Captain America, a film I hold GL equal to on the quality scale. "Quality" not having much meaning as far as those two turds go.
Bobby Roberts
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Solo said:
Well, now you're kinda trying to have it both ways. You're allowing all of Campbell's career to count so far as the debate goes, but you're basically saying the Nolan's output only matters post 2008. Considering Casino Royale was two years before that, and it was almost a decade previous to THAT when Campbell made anything interesting, you're kinda nudging goalposts there.
C'mon. You may not like a fair amount of his scores, but Zimmer's probably one of the three biggest names in that particular field right now.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Id rather not see anything like that again. Got me too hyped, felt like I knew the whole movie before it came out besides the kid twist.
As far as I know the movie was delayed from its original release date of December 2012 to Summer 2013 to avoid competition with The Hobbit, which is also a WB release.
It wasn't delayed due to the Avengers and or to add any JL material. In fact it still wrapped on schedule and would have been released this past month if not for the Hobbit. The only thing the extra time can improve are the post production effects and polish, which if the movie itself is great should help a lot.
It wasn't delayed due to the Avengers and or to add any JL material. In fact it still wrapped on schedule and would have been released this past month if not for the Hobbit. The only thing the extra time can improve are the post production effects and polish, which if the movie itself is great should help a lot.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Oh I for sure blame him. Can't believe the guy who made GL cool again in comics and can write the shit out of him helped signed off on this movie version :\
I agree. Green Lantern was enjoyable to me but I know it's certainly not a good movie. It has its moments and I got my fun out of it, but we know it could have been better.
Messypandas
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Iron Man came from a quasi-plausible universe too then came the greek gods and green monsters. Just give him the Bat and he can hold his own.
And Nolans has washed his hands of Bats, the trilogy is closed and can sit on a shelf unspoiled; why would he care where WB plans to take the character? This is all contingent of JGL wanting to come back, which is iffy.
Not at all - you're making the mistake of assuming I'm saying Campbell was one of the few redeeming factors of GL. I'm not.
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They're not terrible movie-making but, they're super safe, mostly forgettable films.
I agree with this. Green Lantern wasn't a genuinely terrible film unlike Battleships for example.
It just made far too many wrong choices in terms of tone and style (saving the crashing helicopter by turning it into a 'race car'?!!!! WTF was that?!!!) which was it's undoing.
Bobby Roberts
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Is it a mistake? You seemed to be directly comparing his output to the Nolan bros. Regardless of his job on Green Lantern, the comparison doesn't seem to hold up too well, especially the constraints you're putting on it. If I misunderstood you, apologies, but I was mostly arguing the idea that the comparison between them is somehow favorable to Campbell.
He's in-arguably a huge name, let alone a big one. But most of his work is so derivative and uninspired that his name alone does nothing for me. Every 5 years or so he turns out something unique and inspired that I love (the last one being his Inception score), but the rest of the time its just generic Zimmer bombast.
Hal Jordan is still the guy that everyone knows is Green Lantern. Speaking as a John Stewart fan, I still think Hal was the better choice for the movie. They just needed a much stronger script that wasn't hacked to death. Making Parallax a giant cloud of shit was one of the most ridiculous things they could have done. Hector got little to no character development other than his dad is an asshole and hates him.
But the biggest issue of all with Green Lantern is how you have this movie about intragalactic cops, and you set the vast majority of the movie on Earth. Oa had hardly any screen time, and that's where the brunt of the film should have taken place. Scrap the annoying sidekick, scrap Hector completely and focus on the relationship between Hal and Sinestro as they battle Parallax.
Messypandas
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If GL commited to its trailers promise of being Star Trek with Superheoes, it would have made obscene money. But it took a shit all over it
No. Please god no. Nolan is done with Batman and WB can do whatever it wants going forward with Batman but I'd like to believe, hope, and pray that Nolan has enough say to tel WB to leave his trilogy alone.
JGL as Batman makes no sense. People want to see Bruce Wayne/Batman in JL not a made up character Nolan put in the end just to symbolize his vision/version of Batman. Superman can still be tied in with JL even if it isn't mentioned once in MOS simply because Superman already operates in that world. Its a lot harder to introduce Batman into the world and especially if they shoehorn in a character from Nolanverse.
That's honestly exactly what my friends and I were hoping- you took the words from my mouth. Abram's Star Trek was the attitude I was really hoping for.
Well, I failed in my attempt to not derail into GL.
I only brought up Campbell when Matrix mentioned GL to counter my hypothetical "if MoS stinks...." scenario, and not as a comparison to Nolan, but to Snyder. And all I was saying is that the director of GL made 3 movies better than Snyder has made, and yet that didn't stop GL from sucking, so Snyder helming MoS is no guarantee of anything.
Anyways, it's kind of a strange detour in the conversation.
Bobby Roberts
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I'll agree with this, so long as you add "if you're familiar with superhero comics."
But overall? I'd say more people recognize Stewart as "Green Lantern" than Hal Jordan. Or at least, they did before Hal Jordan bombed SPECTACTULARLY in theaters w/ Ryan Reynolds playing him.
Stewart had exponentially greater numbers of eyes set upon him in his four years as a cartoon character than the last 20 years of Hal Jordan comics combined.
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Ah! Gotcha. Sorry for the derail, then, and apologies for the misunderstanding.
I doubt he had that much influence in the end product. Same thing happened with Prometheus, and happens with lots of other scripts, shit gets rewritten by other writers while the earlier ones don't have any say in it anymore.
Yeah, GL was just one of those movies that you can tell was made by committee rather than by a strong vision for the project by a singular guiding force. The end result was a bland mish-mash of tone.
The fault of GL lies at no single person's feet, but rather an equal portion needs to be distributed at the feet of each of the far too many cooks in the kitchen.
Bobby Roberts
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KalBalboa said:
Seems probable, to me.
So far as Zimmer's score goes - I know plenty of people are expecting bombast and horns and thumping drums - but I really hope that the "Journey to the Line" choice and the similar sounding stuff in the theatrical trailers is being chosen because he's composed something a lot closer to "The Thin Red Line" than say, "Gladiator" or "Crimson Tide."
I said earlier in this thread, and I know it sounds weird, but I think the best possible direction he could go would be something along the lines of the Friday Night Lights score by Explosions in the Sky.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
I only did that cause you hyped GL. You did learn your lesson... I unlike you hyped the shit out of Returns along with DM and it was shit. I'm so desperate for a great Superman movie that I can't help to be excited based on what I have seen, even if Snyder is directing it. I happen to like some of his movies, besides Sucker Shit. I clearly haven't learned my lesson, but I haven't created threads etc like I did with Returns so I'm a little bit more sane this time around....
as of now.
You can tell I'm tired when I read this and thought you meant you also hyped "Darkman."
MisterHero
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I signed up to make the MoS OT and I don't even have high expectations. The trailer rocks though, so it has that going for it.
At this point I expect a Batman cameo and cross-contamination with Green Lantern. They have to start building up the Justice League or it's never gonna happen.
Cavill's chin isn't big enough and Reeve makes no attempts to look cool in his costume.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Most likely, feels that way based off the comic-con trailer. I don't think we will get Daily Planet Clark till close to the end of the movie when shit goes down or maybe the movie will end with him putting on his glasses all hipster like and fade to black lol
Also its kind of interesting how too many cooks sunk GL. I don't think it's just the number of cooks, but moreso the diametrically opposed views that each cook has on the meal. I mean, Campbell has directed two great James Bond films, and those movies are also classic examples of having a large number of cooks involved on the creative level, but I think the difference between Bond and GL is that the Bond cooks all come to an agreement on the recipe.
Okay, enough food analogies
Okay, enough food analogies
My expectation is that he realizes he needs to be his true self and expose himself to the world (become Superman and throw his fears aside). He then fears he's lost his humanity and wants to be part of the world, and becoming a reporter will be his way of watching us in the third person while participating, so to speak.
Pachterballs
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dredd's such a fucking awful movie. you guys are kidding.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Cause Reeve was actually Superman... duh.
Cavill is that height, saw him in NYC years ago when he was younger and had more hair lol My bro worked for a branch of Miramax/Disney at the time and I'm not sure why he was there. I'm like 5'10 ish and he was clearly taller than me. I doubt he's shrunk since he's not even 30 yet. Also Cavill looks a lot older than most 29 year olds that I hang out with, I'm 4 years older than him and I look like a teenager next to him lol
Routh looked like he should have been cast for Superboy or the Smallville tv series.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
That's most likely how it's going to play out. It kinda feels that way.
krypt0nian
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Did you watch it? It's was a fucking excellent action flick.
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