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Dredge requires specific sideboard hate cards, hexproof is still vulnerable to sweepers. It's non-interactive but there's different degrees of severity between the two. I do agree hexproof is significantly stronger than shroud and cards need to be appropriately costed for it.
divisionbyzorro
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I remember saying that Bant Hexproof was going to be a deck post-rotation (mostly looking at Finkel's PTAVR deck as inspiration). Did it really take this long for someone to put up results with it?
The deck's mana is really bad. I tried working it out but quickly abandoned it because it wasn't consistent enough in our builds.
And oh, look, Gruul Charm is spoiled. And it looks like it was designed as a Lorwyn/Shadowmoor-era hate card. Ugh.
So, in summary, your GTC flowchart for the set so far:
Is it Boros? If yes, it's pushed and awesome!
Is it anything but Boros? It's terrible!
Copper Gnomes and Metalworker beatdown (with Pack Rats in his sideboard) vs a Tomb of Urami token on the SCG stream right now, and the Urami token won. I have no idea what the fuck is going on anymore.
Edit: and Abraham Lincoln is standing in the background. Because why the fuck not.
Edit: and Abraham Lincoln is standing in the background. Because why the fuck not.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
FTFY
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
That's the worst card I've ever seen. It made all my butt hairs grow 2 inches, that's how bad it is.
That middle ability.
Wat.
Options 1 and 3 aren't bad. Middle ability is relegated to edh, though, where options 1 and 3 aren't good enough to make the card worth running on its own. Guess its better than brand.
What card(s?) are you worried about?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Theh card drawer and the mana maker. Someone is going to do some kind of thing in Modern that involves like, repeatedly casting Ghostly Passage or something and stacking the triggers so that they draw as many cards as possible each time.
"My name is Restoration Angel. I suck the fun out of the game, but you knew that already!"
And it doesn't even die to Gruul Charm
divisionbyzorro
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So, deceptively bad card, and obviously bad card?
robotzombie
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So, deceptively bad card, and obviously bad card?
Since I'm bad at Magic, may I be so bold as to ask why that first card is bad?
divisionbyzorro
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I put a question mark on my sentence for a reason. I'm not convinced it's unplayable, but I'm not convinced it's good either. I'm still pondering it. It turns off haste creatures and makes your opponent's creatures unable to block the turn they come in. Is that worth a single card? Ordinarily I would say no, but it does have Extort tacked on. My gut says that's still not enough...
EDIT: It does buy you a turn against Hellrider and Thundermaw, while gaining you life along the way. Maybe it is what you need to stabilize against those threats? Ugh. It needs testing. My gut still says it's not good, but I could be very wrong.
It seems like there are enough good haste guys in Standard to make it relevant as sideboard tech. And you can gain life on the side if you have the mana.
Ooze is a fun Timmy card since it has the easy "make an Ooze -> trigger Evolve to get more Ooze fuel" loop.
Edit: Also this. Card made for Commander #12. Cool effect of course.
Ooze is a fun Timmy card since it has the easy "make an Ooze -> trigger Evolve to get more Ooze fuel" loop.
Edit: Also this. Card made for Commander #12. Cool effect of course.
The Technomancer
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It looks great in Limited, where not being able to block the turn they're played is powerful, but that's kind of Gatecrash in a nutshell
divisionbyzorro
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Definitely. I think I'm going to enjoy drafting Orzhov in this set - a lot.
And Kaalia edh just got hated even more.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, for the pre-release I am almost definitely going either Orzhov or Simic.
She's broken as it is, so why not this too?
Army Loyalist {R}
Creature - Goblin Soldier {Rare}
1/1
Haste
Battalion - Whenever
Army Loyalist and at least two other creatures attack, all creature you control get first strike and trample until end of turn. They cannot be blocked by token creature this turn.
1/1
Wow that creature is pretty ridiculous for RDW in Standard if you can consistently get Battalion off.
But you won't.
May see play once INN block rotates.
Actually, this may be a one drop that play after you've established a board already and can go in for the kill.
Edit:
My gut reaction says this card is broken as hell in Legacy Goblins.
But you won't.
May see play once INN block rotates.
Actually, this may be a one drop that play after you've established a board already and can go in for the kill.
Edit:
My gut reaction says this card is broken as hell in Legacy Goblins.
Owlowiscious
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yup, just what I wanted. more blue bounce. (which I still prefer over counter spells, i guess)
divisionbyzorro
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It amazes me how terrible people in the Tournament Practice room of MTGO are with using their Vendilion Cliques. Every time I see it cast against me (playing UR Storm), I think "I'm dead." And they seemingly always take the wrong thing.
An example from tonight. His hand is 2x Snapcaster + Geist (I probed him the turn before). What do you think he takes here?
He's dead if he doesn't disrupt this. The play reads Seething Song [5R, 1S] Seething Song [7R, 2S] Past in Flames [3R, 3S] Seething Song [5R, 4S] Seething Song [7R, 5S] Gitaxian Probe [7R, 6S] Grapeshot [5R, 7DMG] Grapeshot [3R, 8DMG] Grapeshot [1R, 9DMG].
And yet he takes nothing. Taking Seething Song would have probably bought him that turn he was looking for - it would have forced me to burn a Grapeshot on the Clique, then have Snapcaster + Izzet Charm to buy one more turn for Geist. But instead he just punts it away.
A lesson for anyone who faces Storm in Modern: if you're playing Islands and instants, you have a really good shot to win if you've practiced the matchup. I get the feeling that I should just start playing 2-mans or just bite the bullet and jump into dailies - the practice room just doesn't give much challenge anymore.
An example from tonight. His hand is 2x Snapcaster + Geist (I probed him the turn before). What do you think he takes here?
He's dead if he doesn't disrupt this. The play reads Seething Song [5R, 1S] Seething Song [7R, 2S] Past in Flames [3R, 3S] Seething Song [5R, 4S] Seething Song [7R, 5S] Gitaxian Probe [7R, 6S] Grapeshot [5R, 7DMG] Grapeshot [3R, 8DMG] Grapeshot [1R, 9DMG].
And yet he takes nothing. Taking Seething Song would have probably bought him that turn he was looking for - it would have forced me to burn a Grapeshot on the Clique, then have Snapcaster + Izzet Charm to buy one more turn for Geist. But instead he just punts it away.
A lesson for anyone who faces Storm in Modern: if you're playing Islands and instants, you have a really good shot to win if you've practiced the matchup. I get the feeling that I should just start playing 2-mans or just bite the bullet and jump into dailies - the practice room just doesn't give much challenge anymore.
Well if that translation is correct, it's permanents, which gives it some interesting applications in terms of protecting planeswalkers & equipment.
That makes it so much better.
I know right? Because Odric and his 'practically Battalion ability' is seeing TONS of play.
There are absolutely no guarantees you'll be comfortable attacking with three creatures a turn. To be fair, there are no guarantees with any of the abilities, but Battalion requires so much setup. Not to mention what if you run into decks with heavy removal. It just seems like it will be entirely unreliable.
Odric is a little different though. He costs 4cmc so his ability won't hit the floor until later. There are 3cmc and less Battalion creatures. Not to mention that Battalion requires one less creature to be attacking than Odric does.
Differences that do make, well, a difference.
I don't think it's the best ability, but I do think it's better than Odric (which I have considered before this post).
Differences that do make, well, a difference.
I don't think it's the best ability, but I do think it's better than Odric (which I have considered before this post).
Yeah, I definitely agree with you that Battalion is better than Odric's ability for all the same reasons. I just have my doubts about crashing through with three-plus creatures consistently. Maybe cards like Thatcher's Revolt will start to see more play?
crimsonspider89
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Lingering souls go boom.
All I got to say about battalion.
All I got to say about battalion.
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