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[Sid]

They should just announce these damn things already.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I don't know what to believe any more.

I want to believe. I choose to believe.

 

[FrankT]

They should just announce these damn things already.

A long 6 months.

Would be hilarious if they announced it without a full spec sheet for more speculation.

 

[derFeef]

A long 6 months.

Would be hilarious if they announced it without a full spec sheet for more speculation.

Name and logo, so devs can hype their games up.
100% unlikely though.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I'm surprised nobody posted the bad boys gif yet.

 

[dragonelite]

Mason i need the numbers, Mason what are the numbers!!!!!!!!!

 

[aegies]

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the lid was blown off one or both consoles hardware wise within the next few weeks.

 

[derFeef]

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the lid was blown off one or both consoles hardware wise within the next few weeks.

I know right, you see more devs talking about next systems (see DA3 interview) It feels like it's holding them back.

 

[FrankT]

Name and logo, so devs can hype their games up.
100% unlikely though.

I remember something somewhat controversial on the PS3 base model that wasn't revealed until after show and spec sheet released. Maybe it was HDMI I do not recall but some folks were in fits.

 

[alexandros]

Anyway, re: tesselation, it's a great thing, but using a lot of it carries massive performance penalties even on powerful PC systems.

And honestly, many times it doesn't look all that great. I mean the face of the demon in UE4 looked to be heavily tesselated and I thought it looked terrible.

 

[rdrr gnr]

I know right, you see more devs talking about next systems (see DA3 interview) It feels like it's holding them back.

Link?

 

[derFeef]

Link?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508577

 

[Can Crusher]

And honestly, many times it doesn't look all that great. I mean the face of the demon in UE4 looked to be heavily tesselated and I thought it looked terrible.

Isn't tesselation used in Hitman and Max Payne 3 to give that round look to head's shapes?

 

[JaggedSac]

Isn't tesselation used in Hitman and Max Payne 3 to give that round look to head's shapes?

Viva Pinata uses tessellation to nice effect.

 

[derFeef]

Isn't tesselation used in Hitman and Max Payne 3 to give that round look to head's shapes?

Yeah, 47's head is very smooth
Honestly I think Absolution is a real benchmark in terms of graphics on PC.

 

[alexandros]

Isn't tesselation used in Hitman and Max Payne 3 to give that round look to head's shapes?

Yes but it's really not worth the performance hit. I think Crysis 2 on PC did a good job with tesselation but more often than not the results are not impressive.

 

[Reiko]

From what I take it, somebody trolled while leaking some real specs?

 

[les papillons sexuels]

Yes but it's really not worth the performance hit. I think Crysis 2 on PC did a good job with tesselation but more often than not the results are not impressive.

the tessellation in halo wars is fantastic.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Can someone please translate the last few pages into dudebro for me

 

[Sid]

Can someone please translate the last few pages into dudebro for me

Durango is powerful and the PS4 is pretty powerful but the point to be noted is that they're powerful enough.

 

[BlackJace]

Wait what the hell is going on??

 

[McHuj]

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the lid was blown off one or both consoles hardware wise within the next few weeks.

Well that's the risk the companies run by announcing later, announce on your terms or have everything leak and the surprise ruined.

 

[Reckless Onion]

so,can it run crysis?

 

[phosphor112]

From Jehova The Third on Beyond 3D Forum thread:

Wait, so what did he say?

 

[thuway]

From what I take it, somebody trolled while leaking some real specs?

I'll say it one more time:

32 MB ES RAM @ 102 GB/S
8 GB DDR @ 68 GB/S

 

[Sid]

Wait what the hell is going on??

Some spec leaks.

 

[i-Lo]

Wait, so what did he say?

Yea, between rumoured figures and their ramifications on other boards being distilled into .JPGs I am so confused.... god damn confused.

 

[Reiko]

I'll say it one more time:

32 MB ES RAM @ 102 GB/S
8 GB DDR @ 68 GB/S

Is that enough bandwidth?

 

[DieH@rd]

I'll say it one more time:

32 MB ES RAM @ 102 GB/S
8 GB DDR @ 68 GB/S

Most believable shit out there.

 

[CitizenCope]

Durango is powerful and the PS4 is pretty powerful but the point to be noted is that they're powerful enough.

What's more powerful, powerful or pretty powerful?

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Can someone please translate the last few pages into dudebro for me

Durango > Orbis
Orbis > Durango
Durango > Orbis
Orbis > Durango
Durango > Orbis
Orbis > Durango


Wii U crying in the corner.

 

[derFeef]

32mb would be not enough, or at least just enough. So it's probably true.

 

[aegies]

32mb would be not enough, or at least just enough. So it's probably true.

It's enough.

 

[BlackJace]

All I know is that I'm confused about all of this.

 

[gofreak]

Is that enough bandwidth?

I presume it's a reference to the bandwidth of the interconnect between the parent GPU and the eDRAM unit. In which case it would be fine.

Not the bandwidth between the ROPs and eDRAM.

 

[Sid]

What's more powerful, powerful or pretty powerful?

Maybe pretty powerful.

 

[Can Crusher]

I'll say it one more time:

32 MB ES RAM @ 102 GB/S
8 GB DDR @ 68 GB/S

Not considering bottlenecks.... I guess 170GB/s look very very close to 192 GB/s. On paper.

 

[Fourth Storm]

So it looks like both Durango's and Orbis' GPUs are running at 800 Mhz at this point if my calculations are correct. This is getting interesting.

 

[phosphor112]

It's enough.

Yeah, for a 1080p frame buffer. I can't see any more being put in. It's damn expensive and hot.

Not considering bottlenecks.... I guess 170GB/s look very very close to 192 GB/s. On paper.

I may be wrong, but I don't think the math works that way.

 

[Can Crusher]

Yeah, for a 1080p frame buffer. I can't see any more being put in. It's damn expensive and hot.

Well was anybody expecting more than 1080p? Sounds like that rez will be the ceiling. At least for big games.

I may be wrong, but I don't think the math works that way.

Well I believe you, but you could explain MAN!

 

[Fourth Storm]

I'll say it one more time:

32 MB ES RAM @ 102 GB/S
8 GB DDR @ 68 GB/S

So DDR 2133 on a 256-bit bus for the main RAM pool. Sounds reasonable from MS' point of view.

 

[Iacobellis]

aegies knows something we don't.

@anexanhume i'll just say, there are rumors out there that are super close, but i haven't seen anyone actually nail durango down yet.

https://twitter.com/aegies/status/291607602813612032

 

[Reiko]

1080p is enough for screen grabs to look close to bullshots.

aegies knows something we don't.



https://twitter.com/aegies/status/291607602813612032

Teh plot thickens.

 

[i-Lo]

Questions:

• Is there only one clocked speed for EDRAM (i.e. is its performance identical to that off WiiU's edram)?
• People are talking about fitting 1080p in that buffer and how it may not leave much headroom for AA. However, if the resolution is something like 1280/1440/1680 x 1080 etc, then would this still be a point of contention?

 

[JohnDonut]

1080p is enough for screen grabs to look close to bullshots.


Teh plot thickens.

1080p is all you need! When 4K is right around the corner.
32MB of ram is all anyone will need! No one will ever use more than that.

 

[Fourth Storm]

MS must have some secret deal to get special 8-gigabit or 4 gigabit DDR3/4 chips unless I am missing something. I'm unaware of any DDR 2133 chip with a capacity higher than 2 gigabits. And that adds up to a whopping 32 RAM chips to get to 8 Gigabytes.

 

[Can Crusher]

Questions:

• Is there only one clocked speed for EDRAM (i.e. is its performance identical to that off WiiU's edram)?
• People are talking about fitting 1080p in that buffer and how it may not leave much headroom for AA. However, if the resolution is something like 1280/1440/1680 x 1080 etc, then would this still be a point of contention?

It's not even EDRAM apparently. It's the sister, yeah I don't know if she's any hotter.

1080p is all you need! When 4K is right around the corner.
32MB of ram is all anyone will need! No one will ever use more than that.

You could've left the sarcasm out. What is your point of comparison? A GTX 680 running a game made with consoles in mind?

Yeah I'm sure if devs want they can get "last gen" games running at 4K in next gen. If they really wanted to.

MS must have some secret deal to get special 8-gigabit or 4 gigabit DDR3/4 chips unless I am missing something. I'm unaware of any DDR 2133 chip with a capacity higher than 2 gigabits. And that adds up to a whopping 32 RAM chips to get to 8 Gigabytes.

If I had to guess this won't be UMA. OS ram will be OS ram(2gb slow ddr 3? - maybe for Kinect and OS). APP ram will be app ram(6gb faster ddr 3?)

 

[scently]

I'll say it one more time:

32 MB ES RAM @ 102 GB/S
8 GB DDR @ 68 GB/S

Thuway pleaaasssseeee just tell us all you know. Pretty please.

 

[derFeef]

1080p is all you need! When 4K is right around the corner.
32MB of ram is all anyone will need! No one will ever use more than that.

Nice AA needs more frames in there.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Some of you guys saying you want AA and that 2xAA is okay have never wandered into the the high res screenshot thread where they're doing 4xSGSSAA and shit.

That's because in the High Res screenshot thread, we're gangsta like that son.