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[Lost Fragment]

Honestly, I hope he's gay. That's actually (sadly) more understandable given his situation.

Kinda-sorta, but there's absolutely nothing that even comes close to justifying a drawn-out lie such as this. Nothing whatsoever. If perpetuating this lie to garner sympathy and further his career is 100% wrong, then perpetuating this lie to cover that he's gay is still 99.5% wrong.

 

[Cyan]

The underlying story of this is Coverups, and that ND has performed more than one...

Don’t do anything you would regret. Messing with notre dame football is a bad idea.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Maybe his gf was really the chick his teammate killed

 

[MrJames]

"Te'oing" has been born

 

[timetokill]

Nonsense plus stereotyping Mormons as far as I can tell.

It's plausible insofar as a known gay player would have an uncomfortable time at best in the NFL, if they are drafted at all. Add into that the Mormon and Catholic environments and you have a potential explanation as to why he'd come up with a fake girlfriend. After all, it's not like there's any lack of tail at Notre Dame for an all-star Heisman-candidate team captain player.

 

[Lonestar]

Saban is behind this somehow.

The other underlying story of all this is, when you lose to Saban, you lose it ALL.

Heart Problems, Adultery, firings and now the ability to kill people that are already dead.

 

[mre]

Just asking: Are you a Notre Dame fan or alumnus?

He's not, but I thought he's one of our bigger conspiracy guys. Or maybe he's just into aliens.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Are we talking about the same thing here? Please clarify your previous comment

...why does it matter? Who's harmed by covering this up?

notre dames image is harmed. This should have come out in December. It didn't because ND didn't want to look bad before the national title game. ND is obsessed with their image, They are obsessed with their football prestige. If Te'o really did get duped by some girl on the internet , fine whatever. Either way ND sweep it under the rug.

If this whole thing was made up by Te'o AND the athletic department was a part of it this goes to a whole another level of fucked up.

Edit: I'm not sure you guys understand how important a national title and/or heisman trophy would be to the university and fans.

 

[ronito]

I'd like to bear my testimony.
I know Lennay Kekua is true...

 

[mre]

"Te'oing" has been born

Should be an easy meme for the internet to embrace.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

ND repeatedly insisting it was "online only" seems extremely suspicious.

Manti doesn't seem to be sticking to the story though, continuing to insist he talked to the person.

While yet addressing the claims that he met her.

Elaborate lie?

Hoax that he lied about?

Either way ND are acting like politicians. Someone is lying.

I'm slightly fascinated with elaborate lies, otherwise couldn't care less. Humans are strange wonderful creatures.

 

[Talon]

Don’t do anything you would regret. Messing with notre dame football is a bad idea.

I feel bad even joking about that. It's unbelievable.

 

[Joel Was Right]

What a fraud! Especially The University of Notre Dame for trying to cover this up. The only reason for a press conference today was because of the report that Deadspin released. If the report was never written they would still be living up this fraud.

I think its ridiculous to portray this as a cover-up on part of the college. If you're argument is lying about cancer [deaths] to be shameful, and such lies deserve to be made public, then I agree with you on principle but this is more nuanced than that. For one thing, neither Te'o nor the college fabricated [imho] the existence of this girl. The college therefore has no obligation to go public with it themselves or pressure Te'o to do so especially when he was the victim of such a prank. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't even the one to announce to the public that she died of cancer.

It was a private matter that went public. He was probably embarrassed and hurt by the ordeal, and understandably wanted to forget it. He was under no obligation to go public with this. Would it have been ideal for him to do so considering the e.g. donations and outpour of sympathy? Yes. Who knows, he may have done later down the road on his own accord once he was over it. But to conjure this as some kind of cover-up is ridiculous

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Which also wasn't true

Yeah. I didn't bring up "the Gipper" accidentally. Notre Dame kinda has a long history of apocryphal football heroism. There's a shitload of embellishment in the "Rudy" story too. But at least that doosh got a story he could stick to straight enough so he could milk it the rest of his life.

 

[DY_nasty]

"Te'oing" has been born

*faints*

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I think its ridiculous to portray this as a cover-up on part of the college. If you're argument is lying about cancer [deaths] to be shameful, and such lies deserve to be made public, then I agree with you on principle but this is more nuanced than that. For one thing, neither Te'o nor the college fabricated [imho] the existence of this girl. The college therefore has no obligation to go public with it themselves or pressure Te'o to do so especially when he was the victim of such a prank. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't even the one to announce to the public that she died of cancer. It was a private matter that went public. He was probably embarrassed and hurt by the ordeal, and understandably wanted to forget it. He was under no obligation to go public with this.

Maybe you're just not familiar with Notre Dame's history and the history of American college sports in general.

The evidence is overwhelming here. It's not debatable.

 

[tapedeck]

 

[Angelus Errare]

"Te'oing" has been born

lmao

 

[GQman2121]

NBC local news reporting the story now.

 

[Lonestar]

Video of when Teo was asked a question about the "deaths" situation

During the week before the BCS game (early January, long after he "found out about the hoax"

 

[cdyhybrid]

I think its ridiculous to portray this as a cover-up on part of the college. If you're argument is lying about cancer [deaths] to be shameful, and such lies deserve to be made public, then I agree with you on principle but this is more nuanced than that. For one thing, neither Te'o nor the college fabricated [imho] the existence of this girl. The college therefore has no obligation to go public with it themselves or pressure Te'o to do so especially when he was the victim of such a prank. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't even the one to announce to the public that she died of cancer.

It was a private matter that went public. He was probably embarrassed and hurt by the ordeal, and understandably wanted to forget it. He was under no obligation to go public with this. Would it have been ideal for him to do so considering the e.g. donations and outpour of sympathy? Yes. Who knows, he may have done later down the road on his own accord once he was over it. But to conjure this as some kind of cover-up is ridiculous

Would you portray threatening an alleged rape victim to prevent her from going to the police as a cover up?

 

[timetokill]

Video of when Teo was asked a question about the "deaths" situation

During the week before the BCS game (early January, long after he "found out about the hoax"

Te'o needs to complete the cycle, and say that he found out he was hoaxed, but was told by Notre Dame staff to continue fabricating the relationship as it was potentially worth a lot of money to the school.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

I know it may not be his fault (although he should have known better being one of the biggest football players in the country to get in a secret online relationship), but this may very well kill his draft stock. Besides, I see no reason why it WOULDN'T be his fault, considering he said that he "met" this "girl" multiple times.

Also, I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but you're Manti Teo, the best player for the best football team in the country, and the best action you can get is "an online girlfriend"? I may be looking into this way too much, but something leads me to believe he might be playing for the other team, and I don't mean Alabama.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Maybe you're just not familiar with Notre Dame's history and the history of American college sports in general.

The evidence is overwhelming here. It's not debatable.

I am aware of their past. My opinion is based on this being an internet prank he fell for. No other 'theory' makes sense than the explanation offered by the college and the player. Maybe their past has some people too prejudiced to comment on anything ND related

Would you portray threatening an alleged rape victim to prevent her from going to the police as a cover up?

Yes, I would. Did such a thing happen in this case?

 

[Lost Fragment]

I think its ridiculous to portray this as a cover-up on part of the college. If you're argument is lying about cancer [deaths] to be shameful, and such lies deserve to be made public, then I agree with you on principle but this is more nuanced than that. For one thing, neither Te'o nor the college fabricated [imho] the existence of this girl. The college therefore has no obligation to go public with it themselves or pressure Te'o to do so especially when he was the victim of such a prank. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't even the one to announce to the public that she died of cancer. It was a private matter that went public. He was probably embarrassed and hurt by the ordeal, and understandably wanted to forget it. He was under no obligation to go public with this.

You are so gullible. Mother of god. It's no wonder you're into so much conspiracy nuttery.

 

[timetokill]

Also, I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but you're Manti Teo, the best player for the best football team in the country

Whoa now, I think we've had enough fiction for one day, don't you?

 

[Lonestar]

Te'o needs to complete the cycle, and say that he found out he was hoaxed, but was told by Notre Dame staff to continue fabricating the relationship as it was potentially worth a lot of money to the school.

his response back there sure enforces that theory. He ends with "I don't need to go further into that"

 

[cdyhybrid]

I am aware of their past. My opinion is based on this being an internet prank he fell for. No other 'theory' makes sense than the explanation offered by the college and the player. Maybe their past has some people too prejudiced to comment on anything ND related



Yes, I would. Did such a thing happen in this case?

In this particular case? No. At the same school and involving the same athletic department? Yes.

 

[Tunic]

I think its ridiculous to portray this as a cover-up on part of the college. If you're argument is lying about cancer [deaths] to be shameful, and such lies deserve to be made public, then I agree with you on principle but this is more nuanced than that. For one thing, neither Te'o nor the college fabricated [imho] the existence of this girl. The college therefore has no obligation to go public with it themselves or pressure Te'o to do so especially when he was the victim of such a prank. As far as I'm aware, he wasn't even the one to announce to the public that she died of cancer. It was a private matter that went public. He was probably embarrassed and hurt by the ordeal, and understandably wanted to forget it. He was under no obligation to go public with this.

How did Te'o not fabricate it? I think Deadspin provided pretty good proof that he did.

2010-2011: Te'o and Kekua are friends. "She was gifted in music, multi-lingual, had dreams grounded in reality and the talent to catch up to them" (South Bend Tribune). "They started out as just friends," Te'o's father, Brian, told the Tribune in October 2012. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there."

There is confirmation that this girl didn't exist however we are told by Manti's father that they physically saw each other and spent time together when he was at home in Hawaii. Sure sounds fabricated to me...

 

[Joel Was Right]

You are so gullible. Mother of god. It's no wonder you're into so much conspiracy nuttery.

Right, so how about I adopt an actual conspiracy theory instead and say Te'o, and maybe ND, were part of a sophisticated attempt to hide his sexuality by creating a fake girlfriend for him?

How did Te'o not fabricate it? I think Deadspin provided pretty good proof that he did.


There is confirmation that this girl didn't exist however we are told by Manti's father that they physically saw each other and spent time together when he was at home in Hawaii. Sure sounds fabricated to me...

I already answered this. Rather than fabricating the entire story of this girl, its far more logical to presume he lied about the nature of their relationship. There is a social stigma attached to online-only relationships. He probably lied about meeting her to hide the fact that he had fallen for a girl he never met and that his father is repeating what his son told him

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Te'o needs to complete the cycle, and say that he found out he was hoaxed, but was told by Notre Dame staff to continue fabricating the relationship as it was potentially worth a lot of money to the school.

yes. Its only a matter of time

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Whoa now, I think we've had enough fiction for one day, don't you?

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

 

[timetokill]

There is confirmation that this girl didn't exist however we are told by Manti's father that they physically saw each other and spent time together when he was at home in Hawaii. Sure sounds fabricated to me...

Nah man, Manti just came back and lied to his family, the media, and everyone important to him so that they wouldn't suspect he was gay he wouldn't be embarrassed by admitting to being hoaxed

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

Whoa now, since when is three weeks "most of the season"?

Notre Dame was considered as fraudulent as Manti Te'o's girlfriend most of the season, but were placed #1 eventually by virtue of having managed to somehow not lose by the end of the season. And then Alabama crushed them as we all knew they would, proving that they weren't anywhere near the actual "best team in college football."

 

[Chichikov]

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

How overrated Notre Dame is is ALWAYS the issue.

 

[thefro]

Seriously, the leukemia/car crash stuff is straight out of Page 6 of the Usenet troll handbook. I saw that shit happen so many times.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I am aware of their past. My opinion is based on this being an internet prank he fell for. No other 'theory' makes sense than the explanation offered by the college and the player. Maybe their past has some people too prejudiced to comment on anything ND related

I really think you need to read more of the evidence before you decide what to believe.

I'm honestly not trying to be insulting. The evidence is staggering that this wasn't simply an internet prank gone wrong.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

they really werent

 

[ag-my001]

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

Three weeks is most of the season?

 

[Joel Was Right]

I really think you need to read more of the evidence before you decide what to believe.

I'm honestly not trying to be insulting. The evidence is staggering that this wasn't simply an internet prank gone wrong.

Maybe it is the late hour, but can I ask you and others here a favour to go over the evidence with fresh eyes and bullet point the specifics that undermine the official explanation? Legit request

 

[MiamiWesker]

Assuming he is in on it which we all know he is, how much of an ass do you have to be to use your grandmothers death to make the fake story better.

 

[Enron]

Should be an easy meme for the internet to embrace.

Spill it, mre. This is you isn't it.

 

[demosthenes]

Maybe it is the late hour, but can I ask you and others here a favour to go over the evidence with fresh eyes and bullet point the specifics that undermine the official explanation? Legit request

Literally a post above yours.

How did Te'o not fabricate it? I think Deadspin provided pretty good proof that he did.



There is confirmation that this girl didn't exist however we are told by Manti's father that they physically saw each other and spent time together when he was at home in Hawaii. Sure sounds fabricated to me...

And for the rest, read the deadspin article and compare to the "official (ND and Teo) stories" it does NOT add up.

 

[iammeiam]

Also, I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but you're Manti Teo, the best player for the best football team in the country, and the best action you can get is "an online girlfriend"? I may be looking into this way too much, but something leads me to believe he might be playing for the other team, and I don't mean Alabama.

An online girlfriend who won't video chat with you is what kills me. Kids these days use Skype and FaceTime and whatever else to talk with pictures over the internet. For this to be believed, over the entire course of their relationship Te'o would have had to be fine with never actually seeing evidence of his girlfriend in motion; it seems like if you're really committed to a long-distance relationship in this day and age you'd video chat at least once.

I do wish the Deadspin article included a timeline of when various people became suspicious of things, so it could be compared to events as ND portrayed them. The fake sister Twitter account was still around in late November; it'd be interesting to see if Te'o notified ND as soon as word got out people were sniffing around the story.

 

[Lonestar]

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

Think Alabama was #1 for the most amount of weeks in the season, and correctly ended as #1

 

[speculawyer]

Whatever. Most of those related human interest stories are probably ridiculous exagerrated . . . so what if this one happens to completely fake. What difference does it make?

 

[Lost Fragment]

Right, so how about I adopt an actual conspiracy theory instead and say Te'o, and maybe ND, were part of a sophisticated attempt to hide his sexuality by creating a fake girlfriend for him?

You must have me confused with someone who believes this angle.

At this point. If evidence to support this comes out, I'm not gonna be ultra surprised.

 

[Kusagari]

Regardless of your opinion, they were ranked #1 throughout most of the season. I would disagree about them being #1 as well, but that's not the issue here.

They became #1 after they were the only major undefeated team left. It was basically by default. Alabama was #1 up until then.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Literally a post above yours.

Please read my edit in the above post.

Reveal: I once lied to my mother that I spent time with a girl I met online. If someone had asked my mother whether X girl existed, she would have said the exact same thing as his father did.

 

[effzee]

Whatever. Most of those related human interest stories are probably ridiculous exagerrated . . . so what if this one happens to completely fake. What difference does it make?

I mean no crime was committed but it is hilarious, sad, and pathetic. The media had run with the sob story and it became associated with Te'o story. And it helped his publicity and Heisman hopes.

 

[knicks]

I feel like the only reasonable explanation here is that he is gay and it is unfortunate how much attention is being shed on this topic. Imagine having to come out of the closet in this manner? Media pretty much ruined this persons life. He never should have lied, but he most likely did just to keep the peer pressure off of him in college. Can only imagine the peer pressure on getting with chicks being the star player on the Notre Dame football squad that made it to the BCS championship game.