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[BruiserBear]

I'm getting really tired of the Armstrong defenders still propping this guy up as a hero figure.

He's done so much good with his charity!


Did it never occur to any of these people that his work with that charity may have at least been partially motivated by the knowledge that such positive work would insulate him from criticism while he cheated to win year after year? This is textbook shit for people of his ilk. He milked that line of thought for all it was worth over the years. He would constantly use his cancer history as part of his excuse for why he would never use steroids.

Organized crime, terrorist organizations, they often use the same tactics. Win people over with your good deeds while you do terrible things elsewhere to gain more power and money.

Dude was a bully of epic proportions to anyone who attempted to bring up his cheating. In his mind the ends justified the means, and unfortunately I've literally heard people use the same logic to defend him.

 

[keuja]

So NPR mentioned today that reportedly Armstrong denies being the ringleader of this whole shebang, in contrast to the findings of the USADA report and the testimony of his former teammates.

that's what his former teammate and his wife say about it:

“That’s bull---,” Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong U.S. Postal Service teammate, Frankie Andreu, said on Tuesday afternoon. “He wasn’t the ringleader? He was the owner of the team.”

Betsy Andreu, whose truth-telling about Armstrong is now vindicated along with her husband’s truth-telling, then said this:

“Who profited the most from the doping? Again, who owned the team? Who told the other guys on the team that they had to step up? It’s all in the (United States Anti-Doping Agency) report. Are you kidding? If he wasn’t the ringleader, what was he?”

“He has,” Frankie Andreu said, “been a professional at lying.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...n-final-stage-article-1.1240966#ixzz2I9M4wDt4

 

[Dark Octave]

I'm getting really tired of the Armstrong defenders still propping this guy up as a hero figure.

He's done so much good with his charity!


Did it never occur to any of these people that his work with that charity may have at least been partially motivated by the knowledge that such positive work would insulate him from criticism while he cheated to win year after year? This is textbook shit for people of his ilk. He milked that line of thought for all it was worth over the years. He would constantly use his cancer history as part of his excuse for why he would never use steroids.

Organized crime, terrorist organizations, they often use the same tactics. Win people over with your good deeds while you do terrible things elsewhere to gain more power and money.

Dude was a bully of epic proportions to anyone who attempted to bring up his cheating. In his mind the ends justified the means, and unfortunately I've literally heard people use the same logic to defend him.

Maybe he cheated so that he can ensure he could continue to contribute to charities the way he wanted?

Just sayin.

 

[keuja]

Maybe he cheated so that he can ensure he could continue to contribute to charities the way he wanted?

Just sayin.

LOL good one

 

[mclem]

So NPR mentioned today that reportedly Armstrong denies being the ringleader of this whole shebang, in contrast to the findings of the USADA report and the testimony of his former teammates.

Well, if that's so, I'm quite sure he's in a position to know who *is*, and name names accordingly.

This could get fun.

 

[BertramCooper]

Well, if that's so, I'm quite sure he's in a position to know who *is*, and name names accordingly.

This could get fun.

Except that he's lying, because he clearly was the ringleader.

 

[John Dunbar]

That would be a damn shame, I love watching the track racing. But if that is what is needed to make them get their heads out of their arses, it should be done.

as i recall, there were some bullshit decisions in cycling last time, and not even the possibility to appeal. hope they drop it and add more ARCHERY.

 

[Kinyou]

Well, if that's so, I'm quite sure he's in a position to know who *is*, and name names accordingly.

This could get fun.

Coming out late and then accusing someone else contrary to evidence.

I doubt that anyone will believe him

 

[GashPrex]

Unless he is being forced by some report or other testimony and wants to get out in front the story, as a lawyer, I think this is a terrible idea for Lance.

 

[frankie_baby]

So is it true that cycling is on the brink of getting kicked out of the Olympics?

An NPR report today said that if Armstrong implicates a bunch of UCI folks, the IOC might drop it in 2016, and possibly beyond if they don't get their shit together.

They'll probably drop it anyway cos they don't like the Brits winning everything

 

[D4Danger]

So is it true that cycling is on the brink of getting kicked out of the Olympics?

An NPR report today said that if Armstrong implicates a bunch of UCI folks, the IOC might drop it in 2016, and possibly beyond if they don't get their shit together.

Yes, that is true.

TeamGB are screwed. We've been using the cycling to boost our mediocre abilities for years now.

 

[Jobiensis]

As has been repeated, the only thing Armstrong could possibly expose is the UCI. Personally, I'd be all for it, the UCI has never come clean on their involvement in the matter.

Cycling does have a long history of doping, but it is pretty strange to insinuate that the American big sports (NBA,NFL) which have never taken doping seriously are clean in any shape or form. Just look at the size and 100 yard dash times of NFL players in the last 30 years. They got a lot bigger and a lot quicker.

 

[mclem]

Except that he's lying, because he clearly was the ringleader.

Oh, absolutely, that's rather my point. If he *is* lying, he'd have to elaborate the lie by naming a ringleader, which may be libellous if untrue - and he can't plausibly claim to not know who it is, because that wouldn't make any sense at all.

 

[MightyHealthy]

"professional at lying."

Damn.

He'll probably try to make Ferrari the scapegoat.

 

[Dark Octave]

LOL good one

It was worth a shot.

 

[Jobiensis]

which may be libellous if untrue

This is nothing new for Lance.

 

[TylerD]

I hadn't really followed what was going on with Lance for the past couple of years but I did watch the story last Wednesday on 60 Minutes sports on Showtime and I have a really hard time believing that Lance was not the ringleader or heavily involved with the doping that was going on in US Postal.

The accounts of Tyler Hamilton regarding the threats and bullying he received from Armstrong and the fact that Armstrong attempted to donate upwards of 150k to the agency that was investigating the doping scandal is pretty damning.

 

[Hanmik]

Listen to Mark Cavendish..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R-PGsHoVYTk

he doesn´t like to be asked about Lance..

 

[Zzoram]

Unless he is being forced by some report or other testimony and wants to get out in front the story, as a lawyer, I think this is a terrible idea for Lance.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...heater_and_a_bully_but_letting_the_champ.html

According to Slate, his new admission may be part of a plea bargain with USADA to get a reduced penalty in exchange for giving up the International Cycling Union (UCI) for being an enabler of doping and covering up countless other doping incidents.

 

[Psychotext]

Listen to Mark Cavendish..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R-PGsHoVYTk

That's a bit pathetic.

I guess they could have been given express instructions not to discuss Armstrong beforehand though.

 

[GashPrex]

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...heater_and_a_bully_but_letting_the_champ.html

According to Slate, his new admission may be part of a plea bargain with USADA to get a reduced penalty in exchange for giving up the International Cycling Union (UCI) for being an enabler of doping and covering up countless other doping incidents.

Well IMO, he will be facing a slew of lawsuits based on this admission. Not sure why the USADA's lifting of a lifetime ban matters at all.

 

[Psychotext]

If he had the slightest honour he wouldn't need an incentive anyway.

 

[Jobiensis]

Would be nice to see that Cavendish thing in context. Not too surprising though, sprinters are typically dicks.

If he had the slightest honour he wouldn't need an incentive anyway.

Of course if Lance had the slightest honour he wouldn't be in this position.

 

[Psychotext]

Perhaps shame would have been a better word.

 

[Doodis]

Well IMO, he will be facing a slew of lawsuits based on this admission. Not sure why the USADA's lifting of a lifetime ban matters at all.

It matters because he can continue to compete and win prize money in marathons and iron man competitions (which he has been focused on for a few years now).

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

So is it true that cycling is on the brink of getting kicked out of the Olympics?

An NPR report today said that if Armstrong implicates a bunch of UCI folks, the IOC might drop it in 2016, and possibly beyond if they don't get their shit together.

Poor Cav

No sprint gold for him in Rio.

 

[Brera]

If he's going to have outbursts like that then fuck "Cav" whoever he is.

 

[Zaph]

Emma O'Reilly?

O'Reilly said Armstrong demonised her as a prostitute with a drinking problem, and had her hauled into court. Ultimately, a legal settlement was reached, and O'Reilly tried to pick up the pieces of her life, sometimes talking about Armstrong and drugs, but to little notice.

If Oprah doesn't take him to task on this, this interview will be a waste. Lance was prepared to destroy as many lives as needed to keep winning.

 

[Liquidsnake]

When is this airing?

 

[Takuan]

That's a bit pathetic.

I guess they could have been given express instructions not to discuss Armstrong beforehand though.

He was at an event to promote his team and was repeatedly asked about Lance. I don't blame him one bit.

 

[D4Danger]

That's a bit pathetic.

I guess they could have been given express instructions not to discuss Armstrong beforehand though.

http://www.itv.com/news/2013-01-15/...ver-after-repeated-lance-armstrong-questions/

Initially he addressed two questions posed, saying: "There's been reports that he's confessed to doping but I haven't seen any interviews yet, so until then I can't really comment".

When asked if he was going to watch Armstrong's interview with Oprah Winfrey which will be broadcast later this week, he said: "I'm travelling to Argentina at the time".

[..]

As he sat down for another round of interviews, he immediately snapped when a reporter appeared to begin asking him an Armstrong related question:

I would've told the guy to fuck off as well at that point

 

[Atrophis]

If he's going to have outbursts like that then fuck "Cav" whoever he is.

The best sprinter in the world.

 

[BruiserBear]

When is this airing?

It's airing over two nights. The first part of the interview will begin airing in about 29 hours, and 37 minutes.

 

[BertramCooper]

I'm weirdly tempted to buy this.

 

[vidcons]

If he's going to have outbursts like that then fuck "Cav" whoever he is.

You know who else said that? Peta Todd.

but she actually fucked him

 

[Jobiensis]

You know who else said that? Peta Todd.

but she actually fucked him

Lol, sprinters are the rock stars of cycling.

 

[keuja]

All in all, it feels like another carefully planned marketing ploy from Armstrong...
He should be doing a deposition at the nearest USADA office instead of doing interviews with freaking Oprah Winfrey.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Hindsight being 20/20, some journalist should have taken advantage of him during his worst period of denial by getting him to commit to, say, wager 10,000,000 that he didn't dope.

 

[Monocle]

Hindsight being 20/20, some journalist should have taken advantage of him during his worst period of denial by getting him to commit to, say, wager 10,000,000 that he didn't dope.

This is such an amusing picture. I can almost see his tight little grin while he signs and dates the agreement, even as he's crumbling inwardly. How fun.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Hindsight being 20/20, some journalist should have taken advantage of him during his worst period of denial by getting him to commit to, say, wager 10,000,000 that he didn't dope.

But if he did that, he would still be in denial mode, and he would have remained that way until he died.

 

[Hanmik]

Richard Virenque supposedly said that he even doubts that Lance had cancer...

http://translate.google.dk/translat...16/je-suis-le-dindon-de-la-farce-935850-8.php

You said on Europe 1 radio: "I ask myself, is that one day he has had cancer? "Doubt you really Disease Lance Armstrong?

I do not know. But still! This is something so huge, spread over so many years, everything seems possible ...

(translated badly by google translate)

 

[Psychotext]

Going a bit too far there.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if they had hyped it up (how serious it was / how much it spread) to enhance the fairytale nature of his comeback.

 

[Kinyou]

It's airing over two nights. The first part of the interview will begin airing in about 29 hours, and 37 minutes.

Two parts?

They're really squeezing the money out of it.

 

[Big-E]

Going a bit too far there.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if they had hyped it up (how serious it was / how much it spread) to enhance the fairytale nature of his comeback.

Maybe a little far but I would be willing to bet that his drug use is what caused his cancer in the first place.

 

[vidcons]

I think it's more likely that his cancer wasn't reported in a timely manner because of the drugs. Revealing the test that showed signs of the disease along with drugs was probably the biggest hurdle in getting him off the road and into treatment.

 

[agrajag]

Maybe a little far but I would be willing to bet that his drug use is what caused his cancer in the first place.

Chael Sonnen called it!

Take Lance Armstrong. Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer. He cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of saying ‘Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don't be like me.' He actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited something like $15 million dollars from this ‘Hey, poor me, let's find a cure for cancer' campaign instead of just coming clean and saying, ‘Look, here's what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn from my mistakes.' You just watch these guys and can't help but think, God, what a fraud.

 

[Psychotext]

Is there any scientific evidence to support the fact that EPO / Steroids can give you cancer though? I guess he could have been on HGH.

 

[VGChampion]

I'm not throwing out my opinion, but this thread is absolutely ridiculous with both sides stating their opinions as fact. Come on people, they're opinions.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

I'm not throwing out my opinion, but this thread is absolutely ridiculous with both sides stating their opinions as fact. Come on people, they're opinions.

That is standard message board behavior though.

 

[FGMPR]

Chael Sonnen called it!

As much as I enjoy hearing what Chael Sonnen has to say every time he opens his mouth, I'm not so sure he has any right to say anything about Armstrong seeing as though he was suspended for a year for registering an abnormally high testosterone count.