Lance Armstrong plans to admit doping to Oprah (USA Today)

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vidcons said:
but, I think the penalty he is serving is bullshit. 6 months for confessing and 'catching' Lance with witness testimonies compared to his lifetime ban.
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You know how criminals get deals for informing on more serious criminals?

You know how criminals get deals for admitting their crimes so as not to waste everyone's time?

Fit those both together and Lance's punishment (and the lower punishment for others) makes perfect sense. He tied people up in legal proceedings over a period of 10 years trying to fraudulently protect his reputation. If he'd have admitted it early he'd have likely got a 1-3 year ban and then got on with his career. If he'd admitted it, helped improve detection and pointed out who was dirty in the UCI and various other bodies he'd have got far less.

The guy can go and cry into his $100m fortune... I reckon he'll probably be ok if he never works again.
 
Regardless of anything he's said in this interview, the simple fact is that if he was truly sorry for what he has done, he would be volunteering to return everything he's won from doping. Prize money, trophies, legal winnings, the lot.

Last I heard, he isn't.
 
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vidcons said:
Yeah, the guy is fucked up, for how he acted personally and how he digested how people treated him. There is something genuine about this that just isn't working. He doesn't get it. He's coming down from the mountain and has no idea how to interact with everyone at ground level.

This is weird.

Like, I want to believe him. I want to like him after all of this. I also hate him on a personal level for ruining lives.

but, I think the penalty he is serving is bullshit. 6 months for confessing and 'catching' Lance with witness testimonies compared to his lifetime ban. His lifetime ban is unjustified for cheating. I don't see it any other way. Levi Leiphemer and Dave Zabriskie get to continue racing (well, Levi was punished (but only because it was an easy out to get Cavendish on the team)) and George Hincapie gets to retire at the perfect time and continue his clothing line. Tyler Hamilton gets awards for co-authoring a book and gets to use that prestige to inflate his training program. The rest of the team also gets to continue on.

There is a fine line between shit Lance has done in his personal life and in his career. He should be punished for doping, not for being an asshole. That's how everyone else was treated.

Travis Tygart... man, honestly, fuck this guy. His handling of this case has been like an old west sheriff, strutting through town like Top Dog for finally catching a notorious outlaw. The ruling is ridiculous and his actions, his demands for Lance to get a ~fair~ punishment for the rules of the sport he broke would crush cycling.

There is so much wrong with this. Lance is obviously wrong. He sucks. He is a sociopath. I do not deny that. I won't support him crushing people. However, there is a complete entanglement of things that he was accused of doing that were considered "cheating," and shit he did off to the sides, directly or indirectly. Lance is being vilified for his person and not his crime.

Pretty fucked up.
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I think he's also being punished for the damage he has done to the sports reputation. He was basically the public face of cycling and now he turned out to be a complete fraud. Of course are you going to make an example out of him.
 
Yeah, the insane fans could be a huge problem in cycling given how easy it is to get near the competitors. Thankfully no-one has been seriously hurt yet.
 
Is it true that the ratings were very low, or fell way short of what they were anticipating?
 
I think it was her second highest viewed interview. First highest was with Whitney Houston's daughter.

I don't know if they expected to beat that though.
 
AdrianWerner said:
I know emotions are running high and people feel betrayed, but...lmao
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Regulus Tera said:
One of the few instances where Godwin's Law should be invoked for once. You guys are taking it waaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
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I don't feel betrayed. He's just a colossal asshole, and would really have to go out of his way to possibly become a worse human being. Yeah, I was being hyperbolic, but I was hardly comparing him to Hitler.

Becoming a better human being when you're such an incredibly shitty one is not exactly hard. All you have to do is stop suing people for telling the truth and you're already a better person.
 
Stinkles said:
That was good but I still feel it's important to correct the notion that Livestrong raised money for cancer research. They completely stopped doing that and it was 'cancer awareness' which is obviously a bunch of fucking nonsense, just like Lance's everything else.
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Honestly, I stopped listening right after that. I'm sick of anyone who says that Armstrong's "sins" were offset by Livestrong's work, and then goes on to misrepresent what Livestrong did.
 
Stinkles said:
That was good but I still feel it's important to correct the notion that Livestrong raised money for cancer research. They completely stopped doing that and it was 'cancer awareness' which is obviously a bunch of fucking nonsense, just like Lance's everything else.
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While Burr's "500 million for cancer research" figure was incorrect, you can't deny that what Armstrong did raise money for helped. I hope you know about all the programs that Livestrong runs that help cancer patients navigate all the troubles that can come along with having cancer, like having to deal with insurance, how to stay healthy, exercise programs, and psychological support. And yeah, what the Livestrong foundation spends on things like lawyers and advertising dwarfs what they spend to run those help programs, but at least it's something and not entirely nonsense.
 
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