[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.

I'll admit. There was a part of me that hoped MS or Sony would make a deal with IBM, Intel or AMD and come up with crazy new tech like Quantum computing or chips made of graphene or something and blow our minds.

I guess we'll have to settle for fucking laptop parts.

You can't be serious...
 
I'll admit. There was a part of me that hoped MS or Sony would make a deal with IBM, Intel or AMD and come up with crazy new tech like Quantum computing or chips made of graphene or something and blow our minds.

I guess we'll have to settle for fucking laptop parts.

Earth calling Mr. Green.

Sir.. sir.. you're so very high. This isn't 2023, you got very high way ahead of schedule.
 
They have enough information to form a verdict on the overall foundation of the system. If you have any experience reading their articles DF is extremely analytical. They very rarely throw excitement around and never drop hyperbole. Even with a truly impressive graphical achievement they are very matter of fact about the sacrifices and benefits in any game. I trust their outlook on the potential of these systems a great deal and especially more than people on gaf. For them to look at the Orbis specs and see nothing but epic potential for the system means a lot.

True. Reading this quote:
"Orbis has a singular focus on delivering high-end performance without breaking the bank - our take on the specs is that this is a machine built to last with a huge amount of potential."

As I say I think Orbis is exciting, Durango not so much. DF seem to have a similar view.
Although this is how it ends:

And surely Valve must be looking at these specs with perhaps a little relief - AMD's CPU architecture is designed with power efficiency in mind, and in pure performance terms, even an eight-core set-up should be comfortably out-performed by a fast, modern desktop Intel quad-core processor. In developing and optimising next-gen titles for the lower power console CPUs, it would be richly ironic if PC owners reaped the benefits...

Ignoring the Valve bollocks (it is bollocks). Its a fair point and as I say there is a sense that next gen is great for the industry overall, as long as the hardware is progressing theres a positive effect.

Am mostly excited for Orbis because as DF themselves view it; the device is pretty much perfectly optimised for what its suppose to be. Durango? Well...we'll see, but its not looking hot.
 
True. Reading this quote:


As I say I think Orbis is exciting, Durango not so much. DF seem to have a similar view.
Although this is how it ends:



Ignoring the Valve bollocks (it is bollocks). Its a fair point and as I say there is a sense that next gen is great for the industry overall, as long as the hardware is progressing theres a positive effect.

Am mostly excited for Orbis because as DF themselves view it; the device is pretty much perfectly optimised for what its suppose to be. Durango? Well...we'll see, but its not looking hot.

Yeah but that's nothing new. Crysis outclassed the systems from day one.

I'm actually a console only gamer.

Oh sorry then. Having a closed system means they are always going to find ways to code more efficiently. The setup of these systems might be more familiar than something like the cell but the 360 was much more standard and the leaps in graphics were seeing now from its launch is just as big as the PS3
 
Yeah well obviously that was tongue in cheek but damn... I was hoping for more than mid-range PC parts. PS3 and 360 had pretty cutting edge hardware back then...

Anyway, rumors etc...
 
Yeah well obviously that was tongue in cheek but damn... I was hoping for more than mid-range PC parts. PS3 and 360 had pretty cutting edge hardware back then...

Anyway, rumors etc...

Would Eurogamer post a story with such confidence and be pretty excited if the specs were just "rumours"?
 
Yes untapped power does = efficiency of the code thrown at the hardware.

I do however, think it would be harsh to say that the PS3 did not have a lot of unrealised potential at the time of launch. Compare 1st party launch titles to what we have coming out over the next year and the gulf is huge.

Of course, the same can be said of the Xbox 360 and any other console that has gone before but I don't think the improvement is as vast when comparing launch titles to games that release late in the consoles life cycle.

I wouldn't call it unrealized potential, I'd call it developers not coming to grips with a exotic system and as a result using the system inefficiently.

I just hate using the term potential, so ignore me. "Hidden potential" and "untapped powers" remind me of a bunch of kids talking about their favorite DBZ character or something.
 
So all the latest rumors are pointing to this?

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At this point... They should be excited for any new info on next gen. It's been too long.

As true as that maybe, given their background as solid fact checkers, they really didn't have to proliferate latest rumours derived from forum gossips and the original VGLeaks if they thought it would be completely wasteful and be detrimental to their reputation. Plus, no one knew about Sony's "secret sauce", special Compute Module aside from Eurogamer.

Also, this late in the game, can Sony actually even change anything fundamental such as RAM and CPU? Won't that hinder game development for developers currently working on launch and first year titles?
 
So all the latest rumors are pointing?

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Somewhere in the sky and somewhere in the toilet.

As true as that maybe, given their background as solid fact checkers, they really didn't have to proliferate latest rumours derived from forum gossips and the original VGLeaks if they thought it would completely wasteful and be detrimental to their reputation.

Also, this late in the game, can Sony actually even change anything fundamental such as RAM and CPU? Won't that hinder game development for developers currently working on launch and first year titles?

I say this since full spec leaks are heavily NDA'd. Look at how careful Llhere had to be to make sure he didn't reveal anything. He sure doesn't have the confidence to comment on any specs like whoever wrote that article for DF. And I'm sure DF has caught wind of the real specs.
 
I wouldn't call it unrealized potential, I'd call it developers not coming to grips with a exotic system and as a result using the system inefficiently.

I just hate using the term potential, so ignore me. "Hidden potential" and "untapped powers" remind me of a bunch of kids talking about their favorite DBZ character or something.

The comparison between the fictional power of DBZ characters and the fallacy of "potential" and "untapped powers" of consoles is fitting for a thread of next-gen rumors lol.
 
Also, this late in the game, can Sony actually even change anything fundamental such as RAM and CPU? Won't that hinder game development for developers currently working on launch and first year titles?

If they are aiming for Q4 2013 release and those specs comes out be true, then it will not change.
 
I'll admit. There was a part of me that hoped MS or Sony would make a deal with IBM, Intel or AMD and come up with crazy new tech like Quantum computing or chips made of graphene or something and blow our minds.

I guess we'll have to settle for fucking laptop parts.

Tablet CPUs, mid-range desktop Gpus. Not bad considering tdp restrictions on consoles
 
I really hope the next gen Sony system ends up being called Playstation Orbis. That's such a freakin cool name o_o


too bad it prob won't happen :( PS4 is fine too i suppose.
 
Tablet CPUs, mid-range desktop Gpus. Not bad considering tdp restrictions on consoles

If the special sauce compute unit can handle phyics even 6 core jaguar should be fine for everything else. Both are rumored to have audio DSPs. My guess they will be more gpu limited than cpu limited. The jaguar while not the steamroller i think will be fine if the compute unit can do the heavy phyisics lifting I would guess it can. These boxes are what I was expecting with the cost and TPD limits in a console. We don't know if these jaguar cores are modified or not in next gen consoles. Maybe both MS and Sony got AMD to double up the FPU to 256 with AVX which would make it a little monster.
 
You don't own a PS3? Virtually ever must-play title is in some kind of cheap package/collection.

Not any longer.... :(

Since I'm very likely getting a PS4 as an early adopter I would prefer not to have to buy both PS3 and PS4 :). Like I said though, it's not a deal breaker at all and if it's going to increase the cost, like it seems it would, then I prefer they don't worry about it. Still, I can hold out hope.
 
I really hope the next gen Sony system ends up being called Playstation Orbis. That's such a freakin cool name o_o


too bad it prob won't happen :( PS4 is fine too i suppose.

I think they should stick with numbers, people get numbers, there is generally a clear difference. The WiiU for instance caused confusion, and they just added a letter to that, and who knows, maybe if the Vita was called the PSP2 more people would know what they were getting into.

That or I want to hit a time where that PlayStation 9 advert can come true, lol.
 
So all the latest rumors are pointing to this?

durangoandorbis.png

As far as PS4 goes it's likely. No matter how many apps they have we know that they'll still have all of their many first party studios and partners working on exclusives. There will be no shortage of exclusives in the long run.
 
We should be happy if it's PS4. There is a small chance they may drop the brand a la Vita.

they're not dropping the brand though, the brand is still "Playstation".

I think they should stick with numbers, people get numbers, there is generally a clear difference. The WiiU for instance caused confusion, and they just added a letter to that, and who knows, maybe if the Vita was called the PSP2 more people would know what they were getting into.

That or I want to hit a time where that PlayStation 9 advert can come true, lol.

i agree it is a risk, but I really like the name lol. and xbox 360 never had a problem either, so all they need is grand, consistent, and persistent marketing.
 
So, in term of football player goal scoring ability last season,

Wii U : Fernando Toress
Duranggo : Cristiano Ronaldo
Orbis : Lionel Messi ^_^

Reading this thread is great. Lot,s of info and discussion about specs which I can not completely understand. I,m sure both of them will deliver great next-gen graphics. I very intrested on the design of the console itself. Will Sony maintain their sleek and sexy design? Will MS try to do something different with the design? Can not wait for the leak photos of the console.....
It feels like 2005 again hehe ^_^
 
All hope is lost? Next-gen is an Alienware laptop?

Don't forget that consoles are dedicated gaming machines with advantages over PC hardware. Factor out the overhead of the Windows OS, introduce ever-evolving development tools written for a fixed platform, and consider the performance advantages of a dedicated design - particularly the fast interconnects between CPU, GPU and RAM. What we have here is hardware that easily punches above its weight compared to performance couched purely in PC terms.
 
With 192GB/s of bandwith it does looks as though Sony is going for 60fps games, at least at launch.

Several months ago I though I was going to be buying both Orbis and Durango, but looks as though MS has lost me :(

Don't forget that consoles are dedicated gaming machines with advantages over PC hardware. Factor out the overhead of the Windows OS, introduce ever-evolving development tools written for a fixed platform, and consider the performance advantages of a dedicated design - particularly the fast interconnects between CPU, GPU and RAM. What we have here is hardware that easily punches above its weight compared to performance couched purely in PC terms.

OS overhead is negligible.
 
With 192GB/s of bandwith it does looks as though Sony is going for 60fps games, at least at launch.

Several months ago I though I was going to be buying both Orbis and Durango, but looks as though MS has lost me :(

Like what Llhere hinted... Don't be too sure of that.

The GDDR5 in PS4 was greatly needed. But it's a bit more than that.
 
Don't forget that consoles are dedicated gaming machines with advantages over PC hardware. Factor out the overhead of the Windows OS, introduce ever-evolving development tools written for a fixed platform, and consider the performance advantages of a dedicated design - particularly the fast interconnects between CPU, GPU and RAM. What we have here is hardware that easily punches above its weight compared to performance couched purely in PC terms.

Durango will be running a mighty OS on 8GB DDR3 RAM and what according to DF isn't a great graphics card (this is supposed to be helped by something else we don't know anything of though).

Orbis is different enough and actually different without going insane that we should see some great results on its hardware.
 
With 192GB/s of bandwith it does looks as though Sony is going for 60fps games, at least at launch.

Several months ago I though I was going to be buying both Orbis and Durango, but looks as though MS has lost me :(



OS overhead is negligible.


Yeah, I'm also more excited about Orbis, especially that it is priced lower, although I have to concede that the line up for Durango seems more varied...






Oh Wait!

So a console we know 50% about that hasn't been anounced yet won over another one we know even less of? Logical!
 
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