thehypocrite
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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Not really. That I5 runs circles around the AMD processors. And the 7950 is also more powerful than the mobile version by a considerable amount. If you wanted something about the equivalent of these specs, you could easily throw a current 8 core AMD processor in there and a 7850 and be about $100 cheaper.
Plus controller(s), plus HDMI cable, plus Windows etc.
googleplex
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Because building and assembling a PC is daunting and intimidating. No to mention the console exclusives.
shinobi602
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I mean, I guess we'll see but if this hardware is what it is rumored to be around, not really. Maybe you'll gain a bit in the magical "optimization" but since these systems seem to be using off the shelf PC parts not really. And the intel processors run circles around AMDs. MS and Sony are going with AMD because they are cheaper and they use less power.
Even Nintendo packed in an HDMI cable, Sony and MS's boxes will have them, don't fret.
I'll take that bet. No way in hell there's not an HDMI cable included.
oversitting
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A lot of people still have SD tvs. I think they might have to include both.
ALBOFIGHTER
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Isn't it funny that the package is 600 and better then the rumoured specs but if Sony and MS were to buy those parts it would be much cheaper due to large orders and contracts, and yet we still get rumours of inferior hardware...
Playing PS4.. no not 3, PS4 on a SDTV. Does not compute.
oversitting
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Good luck on your plan. I really doubt this system of yours will run next gen games as well as you think.
I wouldn't compare a 7950 with a 7850, personally. There's a noticeable price difference, for a reason. Not to mention the i5 processor...dammit.
Beaten
To be fair, a lot of what you are paying for is that tiny little customized box and the fact that it can't draw as much power/produce as much heat.
It takes a lot to put mid-tier parts in a small little box that only draws 300 watts of power. That is a lot of what you are paying for.
Mikey Jr.
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So they aren't going to support 480p?
They have to. I think atleast PS4 they have to.
PS5 I think they could finally drop it.
Kazuma Kiryu
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there's still a lot of people with sdtvs. but i agree, it should come with a hdmi cable, but i don't know if they'll ditch the av port.
MikeE21286
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Just make those people buy a composite...for $20 of course.
Lol Playstation Plus should not be in there. It's not a pay to play online thing. It's essentially a monthly charge for a slew of monthly games.
Battery pack, charger etc is included with the console, as is the controller and I'd imagine hdmi cable. So these are pretty naff points.
I reckon with the PS4 the headset will be the only thing you'd need to buy.
Eh I think there will only be HDMI in the box (althought those cheap cables that came with PS3 probably cost Sony 50 cents so who knows). I cant imagine there are many people who will be buying a PS4 that dont own a TV at least capable of 720p.
Not the same. The console ones you've listed are optional. The ones I've listed are mandatory for playing games on your gaming PC.
Do you have any idea about the current performance gaps between AMD and Intel processors?
AMD holds their own in graphics but with inferior driver support--which is why I buy AMD graphics cards since they have more bang for the buck and I'm willing to deal with a few minor driver problems now and then--but they are pretty far behind Intel in processors.
I am not talking about dropping support but packing composite in lieu of HDMI for PS4 is just absurd.
ALBOFIGHTER
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Yes, I've put that into consideration, but even bkillian said they can put more power if they really wanted to, it's just that they're using what they think is enough for whatever their objective is for the consoles. It's possible this time casual audience will be more of a focus while having just enough grunt to keep the core audience interested. There is still the 8xxx series coming up which should offer more power efficiencies.
Does anyone live in a house where no keyboards or mice exists? I mean, I guess that is possible but I doubt it.
But fine. Logitech Mouse and Keyboard: $15. Done.
Intel is still way ahead, even with their more modest chips.
However, to make matters worse, a Jaguar core is the kind you'd put in a tablet/netbook etc. It's designed for OK IPC at low frequencies to save on power. It's not a desktop-class part even for AMD's unfortunately lower standards, it is certainly quite a bit weaker. But, that's why the rumour in the OP said 8 of them.
StickyPower209
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It'd be pretty interesting if the Orbis had 2 HDMI-out ports, and be able to use 2 screens for co-op/multiplayer. Like the way 3D tvs use SimulView
Lord Error
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phosphor112
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Try finding linux drivers for half of those things. You'd be in a world of crap. Of course the Piston will be fully supported, but it doesn't make everything else you buy covered.
You are right but I'm giving AMD a little benefit of the doubt since we dont know what this new generation of mobile chips can do.
But even if we given them the benefit of doubt that they can magically get it up to speed with their best desktop chips, an i5 is still going to run circles around it as benchmark after benchmark has demonstrated but for some reason some people in this thread seem not to believe that.
Mikey Jr.
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Do composite cables carry HD signal?
Is PS4 designed with HD gaming in mind?
Why can't they just pack both?
thehypocrite
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Do you guys remember the black bars thread?
Found it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346908
Have a look at bobcat benchmarks and add 10-15% almost across the board for vanilla Jaguars.
googleplex
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Plus blu ray player?
Ha, this really isn't looking good for nbthedude.
I'm imaging nbthedude coming out on stage and saying: 'Only $799!'.
oversitting
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benchmarks don't matter since they aren't games. As far as I know a PC with 2x the processing power as the xbox has a hard time even running bad ports like metro 2033 which was made for consoles. Maybe you don't remember all the bad ports like GTA4 on PC...
Mikey Jr.
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PS3 was designed to be an HD console and they didn't even bother with component, just composite.
Sony figures they don't want parents having little Timmy open up his Christmas present and whoops! No composite cable. Only HDMI. Well shit. Timmy is fucked.
Plus composite is probably cheaper to make, and they know the hardcore will buy the hdmi cables anyways. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. They have to accommodate the lowest common denominator.
Make that accessory money. PS3 was HD but didnt even include component cables.
Why would you need to buy an extra dual shock or 360 controller? Anybody who owns a current gen system has one of those.
And Win 8 can regularly be found for around $60-$70 and again that is assuming no PC or laptop/netboom exists in your house that doesnt already have a serial key you could use.
Anyway, I made my point. For between $559-$600 you can build a PC that blows these rumored specs away. If you want to take off $69 for a copy of Windows you could easily throw a $60 cheaper graphics card in there.
The 7950 is one of the top tier graphics cards on the market. These specs probably wont beat a 7850 which is even $90 cheaper.
You can nickel and time all you want. I was demonstrating an accurate ballpark with off the shelf parts not even waiting for good sales.
I have a $500 media PC machine I built last year that runs Metro fine. You can't crank everything to max settings, but that console version doesnt even have those settings to begin with. I played ALOT of Skyrim on that PC with the HD texture pack at high settings and it ran great.
Sure, every now and then you get a badly optimized port like Saints Row 2. But that is no different on consoles. See Skyrim on PS3, etc.
Stop.
Seriously? Because you were trying to claim that rather than buying a PS4, you should make your own HDTV connected gaming PC for $550 that would run rings around it. So, you know, you'd need all the bits that would make this possible.
If you're cherry picking what components to ignore, why not just assume that everyone has a spare i5 CPU laying around. I mean, I have one sat on my desk at work. Doesn't everyone?
oversitting
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You are emulating a console that has 1/10th the processing power of your PC, I hope it runs "fine". Now imaging doing that in 2006. If you want, list the 2006 prices and specs.
Your brand new media pc plays one game better than a console with nearly decade year old hardware. Congratulations.
On a side note, play the 360 version.
