How many Japanese-made games from this gen can you name that don't include fanservice

bhlaab said:
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Where the eff is this coming from?
 
Shinta said:
I can't think of any Japanese games that have sex scenes, or even kissing.

How many western games had sex scenes this gen?
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I know of several with kissing.

However I know of a few dozen games off the top of my head with out Fanservice as well. Though I do find this whole thing so tbe odd, even more when I'm fairly sure most people who have a problem with this wouldn't even bat an eye lash over Snow taking off his shirt and letting his ripped torso show off or give a hoot about all the ripped dudes in a WWE game.

Shitty designs like Lightning in XIII-3 or Vanille in XIII? I can totally get behind people hating on that garbage.
 
Shinta said:
Honestly, it's not fan service at all and the design works perfectly for the game. She's pretty much the only beautiful thing in the whole game, and yet
she's just an illusion and you find out when you join the last covenant that she's long dead, which fits perfectly with the hopeless nature of the game
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When I think of a goddess, or even historical goddesses in ancient religion/mythology, they're often renowned as creators of life, or the embodiment of fertility, or nurturing motherhood. Nothing about her design strays from anything I'd picture in Greek mythology for Aphrodite.

To make it that far in Dark Souls and to then stop and proclaim "FAN SERVICE! I see breasts!" really does sound like some kind of extreme sexual phobia.
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I'm thinking the same, not to mention that this sounds so weird:

One of the biggest reasons I'm not into Japanese games as much anymore is because they keep trying to make me jerk off to them and I don't want to and I get kind of weirded out that they are so into the idea of making their audience masturbate.
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tafer said:
I'm thinking the same, not to mention that this sounds so weird:
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I have to admit, when I stop to actually think about that second quote... that's one of the most hilarious things I've read in quite awhile. Like he's irrationally terrified of being tempted by make believe characters.
 
First thing I thought of is why did the term fanservice automatically means sexual tones and how impossible it is to decide which is "fanservice", in OP's terms, due to the example in the first post. What are we supposed to do, find a game that doesn't star a human at all?
 
If you were to treat fan service as just "bones thrown out to the fans" we'd be having a VERY different discussion, of which games like Smash Bros, Dragon Quest IX, and Theatrhythm are by far the worst offenders. One's a Nintendo cross over fighter with lots of trophies tying into many other Nintendo properties, one's the (second in Japan) newest entry where you can make your characters dress up as just about any other player character in the series, and the last lets you create your dream FF team to conquer music with.
bhlaab said:
It's a joke. I wrote it to sound weird.
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That's actually kind of disappointing! But I guess not everyone can have their "I'm an expert" moment, especially as many people have more sense than that I'd hope.
 
I think it's the implication that Western games are more lacking in the sexualized attractive people department what I find the silliest.
 
Eusis said:
If you were to treat fan service as just "bones thrown out to the fans" we'd be having a VERY different discussion, of which games like Smash Bros, Dragon Quest IX, and Theatrhythm are by far the worst offenders. One's a Nintendo cross over fighter with lots of trophies tying into many other Nintendo properties, one's the (second in Japan) newest entry where you can make your characters dress up as just about any other player character in the series, and the last lets you create your dream FF team to conquer music with.
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I'd place All The Bravest above Theatrhythm, for more reasons than one.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I can think of very few games this generation that do not have fan service, but I'd say Blue Dragon does not have much if any.

The Earth Defense Force games do not. Kingdom Hearts does not (the closest might be Kairi or the Disney Princesses, at worst). Dragon's Dogma has a character with large breasts, but she wears a normal dress so I am not sure that's enough to declare it fanservice.
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Not a 100%.
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fates said:
After seeing what "certain" elements of the fanbase are capable of... I don't think any Sonic game doesn't have what someone could consider fanservice.
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Perhaps the same could be said of all religions video games. Just because the series's fanbase has some remarkably loud wackos in it doesn't mean that, by any sane person's metric, the series has fanservice.

Although I am beginning to consider where Rouge fits into this...
 
pizzaroll said:
So is this thread operating under the seriously bizarre assumption that anything somewhat sexual in nature is "fanservice"? I don't think that thing in Dark Souls is fanservice, it's quite disturbing, for example.

Are you afraid of sexuality?
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bhlaab said:
Yes I am very scared all of the time.

You know what I mean, please don't be difficult.
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bhlaab said:
The subject field is only so big. I mean arbitrary sexual content that is clearly pandering and serves no greater intellectual or contextual purpose within reason. And by within reason I mean that if the greater context reads like justification it doesn't get a pass.
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"Cheesecake" would have been a better term then, as "fanservice" has a broader definition.





rvy said:
El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron I think fits the bill.
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meijiko said:
As a straight female, I disagree with this one. There might not have been many tits, but there was fanservice.
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Lucifel is totally there for the ladies, you could call him manservice if you want. But the game is classy enough about it, sure.
 
When it comes to Dark Souls

She's an illusion created to convince adventurers to sacrifice themselves to kiln the flame that keeps humanity going. You could argue that she's so dramatically designed contextually within the game because she's made to convince adventurers (which in this time you'd guess would often be male) to do something they'd likely not be willing to otherwise.
 
Xenoblade has plenty of beach swimsuits for you to put on everyone that have better stats than armor ass armor. Then there's Samus in her bikini as a reward and zero suit Samus in Metroid. The new Fire Emblem has some sauna scenes. Nintendo aint above it.

But then this topic is weird since fanservice doesnt strictly mean sexual in nature.
 
bhlaab said:
EDIT: IF YOUR SUGGESTION IS MADE BY NINTENDO YOUR POINT IS VALID BUT YOU LOSE A TON OF BONUS POINTS OKAY

One of the biggest reasons I'm not into Japanese games as much anymore is because they keep trying to make me jerk off to them and I don't want to and I get kind of weirded out that they are so into the idea of making their audience masturbate.
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What on earth...

So because a character isn't wearing very much clothes...you feel a compulsive need to masturbate to them?
 
bhlaab said:
The subject field is only so big. I mean arbitrary sexual content that is clearly pandering and serves no greater intellectual or contextual purpose within reason. And by within reason I mean that if the greater context reads like justification it doesn't get a pass.
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That doesn't really fit within the definition of what "Fan Service" is at all. Fan Service is callbacks and references intended to give fans nostalgia woodies. Sexualization has nothing to do with it.
 
Gwynevere doesn't really count, I think. There's an in-game explanation of why she looks like she does.

It's an illusion created by her brother in an attempt to attract those with the dark sign. She's embellished for the obvious reasons, but also to appear motherly. The real one isn't as big.
 
Brashnir said:
That doesn't really fit within the definition of what "Fan Service" is at all. Fan Service is callbacks and references intended to give fans nostalgia woodies. Sexualization has nothing to do with it.
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Fan Service is anything for fans, including scantily clad characters. But yes, not limited to that.
 
You realise that every game has fan service right?

Fan service doesn't only include sexy/cute characters. It also entails anything that services fans, be that mechanics, characters, story and or music.
 
bhlaab said:
EDIT: IF YOUR SUGGESTION IS MADE BY NINTENDO YOUR POINT IS VALID BUT YOU LOSE A TON OF BONUS POINTS OKAY

One of the biggest reasons I'm not into Japanese games as much anymore is because they keep trying to make me jerk off to them and I don't want to and I get kind of weirded out that they are so into the idea of making their audience masturbate.

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Oh and I know western games aren't perfect or anything, but this thread is mostly about the extent to which this quirk of the industry has affected Japanese products so please don't post like "Yeah but Deep Silver tried to sell people ladies' chopped up torsos so stop picking on Japan!" because I know I know.
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This is a rather odd series of exclusions you're making here. And its not like Japanese games have gotten any worse at their oversexualization, nor have western games been any better at all. So what's the meaning in singling out "female-only sexuality in non-Nintendo japanese made video games".
 
as if western games don't do that. heck, even Uncharted 2 has Chloe's ass plastered all over it. Heavy Rain's boxart alone is also one. Miranda's butt closeups, anyone?

this thread is just silly.
 
Just so you know gwynevere was drawn by the artist with a big chest but Hidetaka Miyazaki wanted to change it but when he saw the artist face so sad he kept it as intended.I don't actually think that was explicitly made as some kind on in joke to anything.Unless you have information that proves otherwise.
 
Eusis said:
Dragon Quest has Jessica and Puff Puffs are a recurring gag, albeit one that's been axed in localization at times (and DQIX is one of the guiltiest of the other type of fan service), and I'm sure some of those Monster Hunter outfits must be skimpy on women. Holds true for Mario and Pokemon though, or it's too mild to really count.

I was kind of expecting that, and either way it IS based on a manga for teenagers. Having some pop up is very likely.
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Much as I love monster hunter, I've always found it strange that in both western and eastern RPGs, better armour for men is usually more ornate plate, with added spikes, shoulder pads, massive gauntlets, gems and cool surcoats, and for women it offers protection in inverse proportion to the amount of skin it covers, usually starting with a bare midriff and heading towards lingerie from there. If I was a girl out hunting wyverns, I'd want a bloody big bit of metal protecting my vital organs, too! ;-)

This kind of stuff shouldn't just be levelled at Japan though, as the huge amount of exceptions shows- it's more about female characters in gaming in general. Plenty of muck to be thrown at the WoW guys and Bioware's awkward 'choose a fucktoy' antics too, not to mention the constant spine-breaking poses of various female characters in marketing material and their general depiction in games with a male protagonist as 'hot virtual girlfriend' rather than 'interesting female supporting character'.

Re- the post on Folklore- yeah, for me it isn't that the twilight one is needlessly creepy- it's that I thought the Fairy, Dawn and Mer outfits were really cool, giving an idea of the concepts they are based on through fantastical visuals rather than just being sexy outfits. The problem is that the twilight outfit doesn't fit with the rest of the range- it does nothing to say 'twilight' and everything to say 'g-string and stockings'. If it was more creative like the others it would be better, sexy and appropriate is better than sexy and out of place, otherwise it just looks like they got bored and went 'hmm, default female outfit- lingerie'.

All in all, this thread is a bit specific for what is fairly endemic in the depiction of female characters in games worldwide (and other media too), it's just that fantastical costumes seem to go down better in the East, whereas western audiences seem to prefer a more conservative, realistic vibe while still focusing on sex appeal instead of character.
 
I always thought of fanservice as an unneeded distraction from the game process created to please the target audience. It really troubles me that even games with serious tone like Zero Escape have those unnecessary dumb discussions about swimsuits and more direct sexual suggestions.
It becomes even more creepy after you finish the game and reaize how the main character looked like most of the time.
 
Blaz Blue's story modes are also an example of fan service with Taokaka talking a lot about the boobs of other female characters (even attempting to grope a male once or twice). Or the infamous ass shot of Liberation Maiden.

Rodney McKay said:
^EDF 2017 (At least the 360 version) was all plain soldier dudes, big bugs, and big robots.

That jetpack chick design is so bad. Doesn't even try to fit into the games graphical esthetics.
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Pale Wing's gear is based on captured Ravager tech and the character design is based on EDF 2's aliens (since 2017 Portable just reuses the EDF 2 Pale Wing design). Which are significantly more 60's cheesy looking than the ones in 2017 with everything being more styled after classic flying saucer UFOs (the hectors were basically saucer UFOs with three legs) and having simpler, purple, plastic-looking designs.
 
bhlaab said:
Katamari Whatever
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All the people are weird blocks. I guess you could say the King of All Cosmos is gay fanservice but that's sort of outside the purview of this thread.
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Touch My Katamari on Vita certainly has nonstop fan service.

The plot of the game is literally about pleasing Katamari fans. There are so many inside jokes...
 
If people would stop being defensive, I think the op does have a point. While it's true plenty of Western games are very fanservicey.
But, think COD, Battlefield, Valve games, some of the biggest series are without.
But, with Japanese, no series is completely above it. Unless it's aimed at children, and sometimes even then, there's fan service.
And not just any fanservice, but animish fanservice more often than not. Which is weird.
Think about it, true, the western world invented Furry dom, which is a much weirder thing but, nobody is really pandering to those freaks here. Where as anime freaks' needs are front and center in Japanland.
It's weird, it shows a weakness in their 'art' on the most basic level. Which is a shame, because their art is so strong otherwise.
 
Romars202129 said:
If people would stop being defensive, I think the op does have a point. While it's true plenty of Western games are very fanservicey.
But, think COD, Battlefield, Valve games, some of the biggest series are without.
But, with Japanese, no series is completely above it. Unless it's aimed at children, and sometimes even then, there's fan service.
And not just any fanservice, but animish fanservice more often than not. Which is weird.
Think about it, true, the western world invented Furry dom, which is a much weirder thing but, nobody is really pandering to those freaks here. Where as anime freaks' needs are front and center in Japanland.
It's weird, it shows a weakness in their 'art' on the most basic level. Which is a shame, because their art is so strong otherwise.
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Going by that logic, the biggest games in Japan, Monster Hunter, Nintendo, DQ, are without it as well...and the only reason most of the games you listed lack fanservice is because they LACK FEMALE CHARACTER PERIOD (except for Valve).
 
Romars202129 said:
If people would stop being defensive, I think the op does have a point. While it's true plenty of Western games are very fanservicey.
But, think COD, Battlefield, Valve games, some of the biggest series are without.
But, with Japanese, no series is completely above it. Unless it's aimed at children, and sometimes even then, there's fan service.
And not just any fanservice, but animish fanservice more often than not. Which is weird.
Think about it, true, the western world invented Furry dom, which is a much weirder thing but, nobody is really pandering to those freaks here. Where as anime freaks' needs are front and center in Japanland.
It's weird, it shows a weakness in their 'art' on the most basic level. Which is a shame, because their art is so strong otherwise.
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got it... Female body=bad


awesome killshots=art


:p


I'll take both. I'm secure enough in myself to love what I love and not to care what the rest of gAF thinks. If you love it be proud. It's ok to love a variety of things
 
Zoramon089 said:
Going by that logic, the biggest games in Japan, Monster Hunter, Nintendo, DQ, are without it as well...and the only reason most of the games you listed lack fanservice is because they LACK FEMALE CHARACTER PERIOD (except for Valve).
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DQ has fan service. I'm sure Monster Hunter has some racy costumes somewhere too. And, by the by, all those games are aimed at a younger market.
 
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