VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I believe Sony will actually support the PS4, unlike the Vita.
I can still see there being a 1080p60 honeymoon for the first year or so when devs are using most of the same engines with a lot more power than they've been used to.
Betrayer of hope
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Too much RAM??
You can never have too much RAM. If anything the RAM on orbis is frankly a complete let down.
Within 2 years the ps4 will be bandwidth starved and devs would be back to making compromises again.
Anything less than 8GB is frankly a dissapointment
You can never have too much RAM. If anything the RAM on orbis is frankly a complete let down.
Within 2 years the ps4 will be bandwidth starved and devs would be back to making compromises again.
Anything less than 8GB is frankly a dissapointment
LightOfTruth
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They are both going to be absolute beasts don't worry man
Thank you. All I care is that this will be a big jump.
Folks need to stop posting that pussy Gohan.
What I'm really curious about regarding these specs is how far destructibility and physics can go. I really hope these kind of things are on display in the first batch of games they choose to display. With the specs, they should be able to do some really nifty stuff. I genuinely can't wait to see GT6 and ND/SSMs next projects. They're going to produce some eye-melting stuff.
What I'm really curious about regarding these specs is how far destructibility and physics can go. I really hope these kind of things are on display in the first batch of games they choose to display. With the specs, they should be able to do some really nifty stuff. I genuinely can't wait to see GT6 and ND/SSMs next projects. They're going to produce some eye-melting stuff.
It will be a significant enough jump. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
compromization
That almost looks like real life. Holy shit. I will be amazed if both consoles pull that off.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
To me, that's way too high in a shrinking industry. We'll see what happens, though.
nelsonroyale
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But is Durango then going to do all the non-graphics rendering stuff for free somehow?
PGR5?
Around the jump from Xbox to Xbox 360... Roughly.
Maybe not. According to what we know - physics, AI, etc will have to be gouged from the 1.2TF performance of Durango's GPU, limiting what can be done with graffox - whereas on the Orbis - it has it's own dedicated unit so the entire 1.4TF can be dedicated to graphocks.
There will be a difference. Of course, what can change in the future is the MS "special sauce" which, I contend, is nothing more than a continuation of the "jump in" PR campaign.
I'll say it again: PR > Specs
McHuj
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I've wondered if perhaps maybe you can give those guys fast path/interface to the CPU's L2 cache so that the communication between CPU and CU could be super low latency and very high bandwidth.
Or with regards to the thread scheduler, the CPU access always takes priority over GPU threads. That way the CPU gets a guaranteed access to 4 CU's no matter what likewise the GPU will never see less then 14 CU's ever. I'm not saying that that necessary, but forcing those rules may easy programming and predictable behavior.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm pretty sure this was debunked as fake.
Neither of them will be doing anything for free.
I'm well aware of this, I'm just comparing graphics rendering performance.
iamshadowlark
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I really don't get where you are trying to draw this conclusion. Do you even know what a ALU's role in rendering is?
You need to learn computers, and stop looking at big numbers.
Baconsammy
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499 for a dedicated console is going to crash out of the gate and then possibly slowly recover as more games come out and price cuts occur. A 499 dollar box that is seen as much more than just a gaming platform will most likely sell better. I'm interested to see how Sony intends to market it.
systemfehler
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Regarding the 14 + 4 CUs
(not 100% sure)
VLIW is rather inefficient when it comes to anything else than pure GPU tasks. So a GPU with a VLIW architecture wouldn't perform that good on tasks like physics, etc. So what if the 14 CUs are indeed based on VLIW architecture (Southern Island is not - so maybe the Liverpool GPU is older and does not feature GCN).
To make that up somehow AMD designed or put together 4 extra CUs for those tasks in a SIMD architecture. I just wonder why not just take a pure Southern Island GPU which is all SIMD and leave it at that.
So basicly I guess the GPU could be "old" the extra CUs are a newer architecture to have better GPGPU possibilities.
(not 100% sure)
VLIW is rather inefficient when it comes to anything else than pure GPU tasks. So a GPU with a VLIW architecture wouldn't perform that good on tasks like physics, etc. So what if the 14 CUs are indeed based on VLIW architecture (Southern Island is not - so maybe the Liverpool GPU is older and does not feature GCN).
To make that up somehow AMD designed or put together 4 extra CUs for those tasks in a SIMD architecture. I just wonder why not just take a pure Southern Island GPU which is all SIMD and leave it at that.
So basicly I guess the GPU could be "old" the extra CUs are a newer architecture to have better GPGPU possibilities.
LukasTaves
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The hardware balanced to 14 CU imply they balanced memory amount, bandwidth, ROPs, Texture units, etc, as if they had a 14 CU gpu for graphics...
Probably to really benefit on the extra 4CUs they would have to scale everything up... It should be easy to see if that's the case if a game if simpler graphics/heavy simulations can use even more resources to computations.
PC really has nothing like this. Don't count out both of these new consoles just because they are placed in 1.3-2Tf mark "on paper". Their hardware will be able to do crazy things in closed environment.
oversitting
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Im expecting move to be included.
about $250 for cpu gpu ram and all the extra little things in the SoC, $150 for motherboard and io ect( +HDD + BR) $50 for controller with move integration and $50 for move.
Lord Error
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I don't think this stuff is gong to be used to prop up the CPU. GPU compute is meant to be used for tasks that are practically impossible to do in realtime on any today's CPU.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
I don't understand the need for reserved CUs. GPGPU is perfectly doable on a classic GPU, without the need to have dedicated units for that.
In the end even the orbis GPU might be used for computational stuff, and so is the Durango one.
I think what will really matters is the number of CUs. Having a part of them arbitrary assigned to a task may come off as a constraint more than anything else.
It's been explained a dozen infinity times already. I'm just tossing him on /ignore. There's a difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who is ignorant.
I'm ok with this.
Betrayer of hope
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A console is not a computer. Computers can be updated within months.
consoles have to last an entire generation.
You can't take a console gpu out and stick a new one in. Totally different territories.
phosphor112
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That's what I'm trying to figure. I don't know if they are going to do BC through that (and use it to aid PS4 compute processes) or if it's even possible to match the SPE's speed using those CU's. Maybe they're just using those 4 CU's until they get those PE's manufactured? I have no clue.
I just think it's odd that they have 4 cores x 2 modules, when they have another 2 spots open for modules...
What.
SneakyStephan
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That is exactly how I feel.
Combined with the fact that it took 8 years and that a large jump is required just to display current gen games at 1080p and 30 fps locked (instead of barely hitting 30) and to have the LOD scaling and distance be at ... well... something that is less of a caricature than what we get right now this is really dissapointing to me.
If it's dissapointing straight out of the gate then I'm afraid we'll be right back at 720p/25fps/silly LOD before the console cycle even gets halfway.
I don't see how I have some sort of obligation to get excited about anything and everything regardless the context or perceived value.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
THIS is the problem. people are trying to compare these specs to pc's. these consoles will do amazing things because they are dedicated and dont have to share resources to support, windows, word, internet and so on.
or stolen... this is the real real life footage they took it from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ObcsTSMkrMU#t=216s
either way, I'm expecting next gen to look close to this....anyone else?
To quote my old computer science lecturer: "in the end they're all toasters, they just sit there and get hot"
Baconsammy
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We were pleasantly surprised, and then they said you couldn't even play the majority of games unless you had an expensive proprietary mem stick inside the device. Then we weren't so pleasantly surprised.
It just means that instead of having a clear edge in pure rendering performance, Orbis will have a significant edge for 'little things' like physics, animations, destructibility, fluid simulations.
The disadvantage has not disappeared, has just shifted elsewhere, now Durango has just the Jaguar CPU (probably with more cores reserved than Orbis) for non rendering tasks and that's it, while Orbis will have more sauce (LOL) for these tasks.
Btw just keep in mind that these system will be equivalent and treated as equivalent in most cases, first party developers dedicated to make exclusives will exploit the strengthnesses in both cases and make the difference.
nelsonroyale
Member
I don't really understand why people are dissing the GPU here if it is a downclocked 7870... Sure there are much more powerful gpus on the market, but they draw ridiculous power...it terms of the performance/efficiency balance they are not feasible at all...a 680 was never even an option. To beat a dead horse, considering how good games are still looking on consoles, next gen is definitely going to offer games much better looking than stuff like Battlefield 3, which was still probably held back by console focusing.
Can Crusher
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Lol at the video with supposed leaked footage from next gen racing game.
That shit is clearly real life footage.
That shit is clearly real life footage.
Am I missing something here.
VGleaks mentions that only a minor gain in rendering performance will be gained despite a 29% increase in the # of CUs being dedicated to rendering. From that it's reasonable to assume that these other 4CU aren't as capable in their ability to render, right?
VGleaks mentions that only a minor gain in rendering performance will be gained despite a 29% increase in the # of CUs being dedicated to rendering. From that it's reasonable to assume that these other 4CU aren't as capable in their ability to render, right?
Wow... people are explaining it and you're not getting it. If you want to PLAY games - you need more than just "graphics". 1.2TF for Durango is used for graphics and "else". With Orbis - 1.4TF can be used for JUST graphics (if chosen) and the CUs to be used for "else".
A portion of that 1.2TF will have to be used for "else". SO let's say that 400GF are used for "else" in a single video game. That means that Durango will use 800GF for "graphics" and Orbis will use 1.4TF for "graphics". What, about this simple math, do you not get?
Is any of this sinking in? I hope because you are now being ignored, junior.
LMAO it's fake bro
iamshadowlark
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It wouldn't be DX 11.1 class if it was VLIW
They both will be. Devs are targeting games like Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 to be launch games so just wait until people have a year or two of experience with them under their belts.
I don't think people understand just how big of a deal it is going from well under 1GB RAM to 3.5 of really fast RAM or 5+ of normal RAM let alone all of the other upgraded parts. It's a fucking huge deal.
Alex
Member
Those would be consumer level prices, for this stuff, Sony doesn't go down to Fry's when it's time to build a new box.
Death Dealer
Member
From a hw perspective, I think Orbis' memory is more straightforward with less potential bottlenecks.
From a tools perspective, I think MS will probably be the leader.
At any rate, it's much different than last generation, that had one easy to develop for system and one challenging to develop for system. Neither should be "difficult" this time around.
phosphor112
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Lmao.