Don't think this means much of anything. We've known h265 has been coming for a long time. Is that guy someone in the know? He could just be expecting the Orbis to do 4k and support BDXL, like I originally did, but the current rumors contradict that.
VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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Don't think this means much of anything. We've known h265 has been coming for a long time. Is that guy someone in the know? He could just be expecting the Orbis to do 4k and support BDXL, like I originally did, but the current rumors contradict that.
Kung Fu Grip
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Being a Hollywood insider doesn't mean he knows anything about Orbis, especially if he's retired.
shinobi602
Member
No, they're 7-8 year old consoles with ancient CPUs, GPUs, and RAM trying to run the most high spec game to date. What did you expect them to look like?
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
Dude take it from me, he knows his shit. And he just got that "retired" tag.
EDIT- Why are you using rumors as if they're fact or final? We all have to wait till sony announces the PS4 to get the true specs. But PS4 supporting 4K either through disc or downloads is happening.
Expecting it to look on par with Crysis and Crysis 2 when they're running on the same engine and from the same developer isn't unreasonable. It's been downgraded across the board. We need new consoles but Crysis 3 is a botch of a port, at least in this beta.
OK, I'll take your word for it. I'm just really wary of people from A/V forums based on previous experience.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6953832&postcount=637
By the way, he knows what's coming. He just likes to ask forum members their opinion on things.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
oh you two...
I'm glad oversitting and painful fart have become such great friends throughout this thread...lol
Even more interesting considering their names...
But it doesn't take a wild immagination to think that Sony will support BDXL with Orbis considering their ambitions with 4K TVs and movies. Also developers will get 100+GB for games.
It's not something that will add significant extra costs, at this point Blu Ray optical drives are a commodity.
That's what I was expecting at first but this rumor says it only has a normal 50Gb BRD with a 6x read speed.
Given it is a multiplayer beta, does it generally not mean lower fidelity than SP? I have seen Uncharted 2 and 3 suffer from this. The only game where I failed to discern any noticeable difference was KZ franchise.
Gears 3 and Killzone 2/3 for me.
Woah, Penton-Man's back. Interesting.
James Sawyer Ford
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That could be just for the dev kits.
I think it's unlikely that Sony would ship dev kits with the new drive so early, because it's not really necessary and Sony wants to probably hold some things close to their chest.
seattle6418
Member
So people are actually asking us to stop the speculation?
WTF?
A gaming forum is all about speculation during times like these, when little concrete info is known. I don't feel bothered at all by people comparing PS4 to Durango. Without this the forum would be kind of boring, with almost nothing to talk about.
Also, not a lot of news on Durango right now. Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivTB_wN0654
WTF?
A gaming forum is all about speculation during times like these, when little concrete info is known. I don't feel bothered at all by people comparing PS4 to Durango. Without this the forum would be kind of boring, with almost nothing to talk about.
Also, not a lot of news on Durango right now. Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivTB_wN0654
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
i think it just makes sense, sony will want to push 4k content, from streaming to discs. didn't we have a few games on ps3 that were already maxing out 50gb BD discs too? 100gb for game content, from assets to higher quality cutscenes is a must.
James Sawyer Ford
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Yeah, game assets are going to be significantly higher next-gen. Uncharted is already pushing the boundary of a 50 GB disc, though admittedly it has a LOT of video.
SmoothBrain
Member
Pretty sure it doesn't work this way. You don't actually double the density of the capacity, but double the layers, so you have something like two BDs glued together. Otherwise it would require a new laser to read the data.
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
wow im a idiot.
For the longest time I thought the Orbis and Durango were names of two kickstarter game systems, I didn't realize they were Sony and Microsoft code names.
Don't worry, Sony will start a kickstarter soon to continue funding Orbis.
wow im a idiot.
For the longest time I thought the Orbis and Durango were names of two kickstarter game systems, I didn't realize they were Sony and Microsoft code names.
Wow...PS3 Crysis 3....
Hopefully PS4 and it's more PC-like architecture will improve these games for developers like Crytek who know nothing optimizing their engine for consoles basically.
painful fart
Member
Thanks for the confirmation.
A lot of Sony's first party games have multiple language audio tracks, all uncompressed, and those take up a huge amount of space. That'll be the first thing to go when push comes to shove. Still I think Sony will eventually add in 100Gb disk support, even if it's through a firmware update like 3D blu ray support.
it's an incredible coincidence that you posted after my GIF
oversitting
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Im still missing confirmation of you ingesting your post.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
I know that's what makes it so funny, it's like there destined to be rivals lol.
Atleast they kept their mouth shut this time on saying Crysis will be the best looking shooter on consoles BS.
Codeblew
Member
Okay, I think I get what you are saying. The density stays the same but they just create another layer on the disc. So the laser still reads at the same speed but it can just focus on one layer or another?
If so, the loading times wouldn't improve but you would be able to store 2x the data on 1 disc. This is still good but do we expect games this gen to go past 50gb of compressed data? I guess it would make the PS4 a bit future proof as far as storage goes.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
these consoles just aren't cutting it anymore. AC3, crysis3 (it seems) come to mind (i'm probably missing others) show how developers are clearly pushing them too hard.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
I think giving Crysis 3 consoles impressions is pointless until we see the SP. the Crysis 2 beta wasn't very impressive either, it's seems like most people have forgot that.
nhlducks35
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EmperorLawlight
Banned
How come that Crysis 3 game on PC doesn't have a HUD?
Correct, there's no innate improvement in read speed from a 50gb 2-layer disc to a 100gb 3-layer disc or a 128gb 4-layer disc, just like there's no improvement from a 25gb single-layer to a 50gb 2-layer.
Both Orbis and Durango are extremely likely to ship with some level of support for BD-XL, as it's nearly impossible to buy a PC drive now that doesn't and most home recorders for the Japanese market burn BD-XL discs. Frankly, I'd be amazed if you couldn't make a hypothetical hacked WiiU read them.
It depends heavily on the material and the target quality. Roughly speaking, it would be a quality downgrade back to early-Bluray standards without either a larger disc or a better compression method. Either a larger disc or better compression would maintain quality, and both combined (so HEVC, which is now approved and in practical use, on BD-XL, which has been standard in the Japanese market for a year or two now) will provide a quality upgrade.
shinra-bansho
Member
Thread is way too long to catch up on.
Is there anything substantial amongst all these pages?
Is there some sort of new magician-based ejaculate to discuss?
Is there anything substantial amongst all these pages?
Is there some sort of new magician-based ejaculate to discuss?
SmoothBrain
Member
Yes, that would be it.
Yes, I believe so. We will have a push on various fronts: AI, physics, texture resolution. Considering there will be games like MGS4, the playable movie (I'm a big fan of it), or FFXIII 100GB don't seem so big anymore.
Are there any news on games that are being developed for Orbis? I read somewhere that Blizzard is going for Durango with their new project Titan. Besides the little teaser a couple of pages back, there doesn't seem to be much :/
Hardware balanced 14+4 CU. Everyone is speculating as to what it could mean.
phosphor112
Banned
Far Cry 3 dumps on that. Crytek really don't know their head from their ass when it comes to consoles.
Tripolygon
Banned
Explain then why does Crysis 2 look better than Crysis 3 though? (on Consoles of course)
well, there is no such thing as format for 4K movies right now
.New standard is out right now and it offers more fidelity at half the bandwith... but it might be needing powerful hardware to decode it.
I suggested that before and then someone pointed me to the BDXL specs which are only for recordable discs. ROM spec only seems to go up to the existing 50GB.
I don't know if there is any movement in the bluray partnership to expand the spec - considering 4k you'd think 100GB ROM would make sense (even allowing for h.265 size savings)