Star Fox and F Zero would sell more than Pikmin....
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Star Fox and F Zero would sell more than Pikmin....
Neither would a GBA 2.0
Star Fox has been on a decline
Can't comment on F-Zero though as I never looked at how it sells.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I think you are underestimating the amount of money the Wii and DS made last gen.
Schnozberry
Member
The Gamecube editions would like a word with you. It's not going to be one game that saves Nintendo. They need a variety of games to make the Wii U worth picking up for people who aren't convinced to buy hardware with just one or two titles.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Nintendo should replace Iwata with a westerner who knows what the Internet is if they intend to keep competing with Microsoft and Apple.
Pikmin sells better than both of those series.
f-zero would not sell more than pikmin. both pikmin games on the gamecube outsold f-zero gx, f-zero x, f-zero max velocity, and f-zero gp legend.
star fox is more recognizable. it's also a pretty shitty series with one good game (star fox 64). it's also sold less with every installment since star fox 64.
Starfox has been on a decline because Miyamoto keeps forcing stupid ideas on to the designers like all range mode, land based levels and other vehicles.
Starfox is a shooter goddammit. A star based shooter! I'm surprised Starfox 64 was so good despite his attempts to derail it.
Lets not forget that it was his idea to change Dinosaur Planet into Starfox adventures. Dude single handedly destroyed Rare as well.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
One is more than 0. Lets ditch Pikmin and get a new Star Fox.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Evil.
I seriously question the business knowledge some of you recent posters have. Its pretty fucking obvious that the 20+ million people who purchased a 3ds did so off the basis of the 3d (either as a primary or secondary reason). A couple of posters on GAF don't represent the interests of the market as a whole.
in other words, those who arent fond of the 3d screen are just a vocal minority
2 good games...the ones made by Nintendo...
It's no surprise that every time Nintendo has farmed out their IP, it has been a disaster apart from Donkey Kong.
[citation needed]
TAS
Member
They needed to include a seperate touch screen because fingerprints and smudges ruin the 3D effect. Iwata explained this when the 3DS was first unveiled.
You are absolutely free to have an opinion. But according to sales figures, this is not the case.
dude...no one gives a shit about 3D! Sales only went up when the Mario games came!
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
1) You have no idea what the motivations of 20+ Million people were.
2) If if some people bought because of the 3D, it doesn't mean they still use the 3D. I think the 3D is badly implemented and I can't be the only one.
can you post them? googles not giving me a straight answer.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
But there's no point in a touch screen when it's always going to be on a secondary screen. With the DS the second screen could have the gameplay on it so you had cool stuff like Yoshi Touch and Go and the first Kirby and Ouendan. Now it's just something that's there because they didn't come up with anything better.
I don't need to cite shit man! I was there!
Can you post these sales figures?
monster's excite games were pretty badass. they could probably make an f-zero that's fun to play (that concept might anger fans of the series, but having a fun racing game isn't a bad thing).
next-level seems to know their stuff too.
Wikipedia says Pikmin outsold Starfox : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_GameCube_video_games
There is no rule indicating the second screen is useless if it is not used as a primary screen for some games.
And basis for your proclamation is... ?
in the us:
f-zero x: 390k
f-zero gx: 360k
f-zero mv: 280k
f-zero gpl: lower than that
pikmin: 680k
pikmin 2: 400k
star fox adventures: 830k
star fox assault: 500k
star fox command: 320k
in japan:
f-zero x: 100k
f-zero gx: 100k
f-zero mv: 330k
f-zero gpl: 9k
f-zero climax: 5k
pikmin: 500k
pikmin 2: 480k
star fox adventures: 260k
star fox assault: 195k
star fox command: 94k
pikmin 1 is a bigger game than the gamecube f-zero. it's also a bigger game than the first gamecube star fox. pikmin 2 is a bigger game than the gamecube f-zero, as well as the second gamecube star fox.
You can't be credible with your claims then if you can't back them up
dude...it's well publicised that Miyamoto and his clique which includes Iwata absolutely detested Rare cos they were like tech wizards and every one loved them. Miyamoto was livid when he was told that Yoshis Island was shit compared to DKC...understandably cos YI is fucking awesome and DKC is dogshit.
Miyamoto never forgot and when he saw Dino Planet he decided to Cena the game and Rare as well because he knew he was over the hill and Mario Sunshine was going to be shit (which it was) and he couldnt afford to be shown up by Rare so he insisted they turn it into Starfox adventures. The rest history and Rare now make shovelware....ironically just like Miyamoto!
I think the last thing Nintendo needs to do is farm out their IP again. They need to rebuild their brands after a decade of abuse.
Spieler Eins
Member
We don't need outdated space furries after there has been the superior Kid Icarus and Sin & Punishment 2 anymore. Starfox really is one of the worst Nintendo series, it's worthless outside of nostalgia at this point.
Pretty sure Iwata knows what the internet is and used it wisely to make people aware of Animal Crossing in Japan with its Direct and then made it a megaseller. What Nintendo really needs is a new marketing team in America. US is dragging them down, Reggie can't even make it clear to people that the 3DS is a new generation device after 2 years almost.
Pretty sure Iwata knows what the internet is and used it wisely to make people aware of Animal Crossing in Japan with its Direct and then made it a megaseller. What Nintendo really needs is a new marketing team in America. US is dragging them down, Reggie can't even make it clear to people that the 3DS is a new generation device after 2 years almost.
Nintendo History, as told Brera
's horribly skewed perspective
I mean, Jesus Christ dude. I think Miyamoto's been more miss than hit lately, but there's telling the facts and then there's twisting them to suit a narrative.
I'm sure you still believe he made Yoshi island because of the DKC graphics amirite?
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I haven't played a single 3DS game that's had meaningful touch screen usage. And I'm sure somebody can name one, but the fact is it's far, far less of a priority for devs now than the DS' touch screen was. If the second screen was gone from the 3DS few people would miss it.
E: I guess Kid Icarus, but given how awful that game is because there's no second stick I wouldn't use that as a reason to praise a touch screen.
Like a said in my previous post, why would someone buy a product if most if not all aspects of the product appealed to them? Take 3dtvs for example; most of the people who buy them most likely do because one bulletpoint the tv covers is 3d. It doesn't have to be the consumers primary factor for purchase but just one of many reasons. Else the consumer would look for another product which doesn't have a feature they don't care about or wouldn't use. Its pretty logical consumerism.
But what happened to the comparison with the star fox series?
I am on ipad, so I am not tempted to surf around & copy/pasting.
I want to see how far down the rabbit hole he'll go, how far his claims will end, and how he thinks he's the king of saving Nintendo.
Because he's amusing.
But what happened to the comparison with the star fox series?
I am on ipad, so I am not tempted to surf around & copy/pasting.
updated with the star fox numbers. people only think star fox is a big deal because it once was about 20-15 years ago.
f-zero was a launch game for the snes and that's where any of its mainstream popularity ends.
You could say the same thing about nearly anything on a system. Shoulder buttons are not a priority either, not every game uses them.
thehypocrite
Member
Not to attempt to agree with Brera, however I think Nintendo software woes are more a result of Miyamoto meddling with all teams to push his perspective for games and Iwata giving him to much free reign.
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This is so logically flawed I don't know if I have the time to dissect it.
People might buy 3D TVs because alternatives are being phased out and they are becoming the only options for those purchasing a new TV.
Similarly, somebody (or somebody's parent) can buy a 3DS because the other systems are being phased out and they are becoming the only options for new games and Nintendo titles.
You're not even making an argument anyway; you've moved the goalposts to "3D can be a factor." Well, yeah, it could, but that doesn't mean it's even close to being a motivating factor for anyone, nor is it even clearly evident that is for a majority of people.
Killzone vita is going to do as much as resistance or call of duty on vita
Dave Meltzer
Banned
He may know the Internet exists and can transmit propaganda, but his inability to use it in a useful way for video games and even attempt to feature match Sony and Microsoft is embarrassing. Gimmicks like Miiverse don't make up for the ineptitude in regards to Nintendo's online for playing games.
I'm sure if you played the games for more than 5 minutes you might appreciate why people love Pikmin and Kid Icarus uprising.
Also from the sounds of things Starfox might get a new game Brera, because the 3DS remake sold well enough. Kinda ironic since, you know, hate the 3DS.
Don't forget F-Zero GX!
Well what do you define as meaningful? I think visual novels use the touch screen well.
I personally prefer the touchscreen to be used as a secondary screen. Much more useful that way.
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